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OK this Litvineko case has become insane

more related articles from old post

re-posting older post on poison scandal and the clintons

'He told me of his plans to blackmail the oligarchs'

"Litvinenko: Case closed"

Real Answers to the Litvinenko Poisoning

More on Litvinenko

Paul Watson can eat his words

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Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan and other countries of that general part of the world, he has a very interesting "take" on what the assassination of Alex. Litvinenko may well have been really about. Murray does not claim to have proof that the murder was committed for the reason(s) he states, but clearly does strongly believe that it's most likely what happened. It's a very interesting story that he provides; one that I figure everyone should consider a MUST READ.

"Afghanistan: Britain is protecting the biggest heroin crop of all time", by Craig Murray, Daily Mail, UK, July 24 2007, GlobalResearch.ca

He comes a little too close to what some people may or will treat as infering that Russian president Putin is criminally guilty in the international trafficking of heroin, Murray's words surely being easily understood as being an implied allegation. But while he says that president Putin is definitely associated and/or friends with the corrupt Russian officials, among police, mayors, etc., who are criminal profiteers in this sphere of "trade" or commerce, Murray does not say that president Putin is aware of this reality.

So there is no real allegation made against president Putin.

Still a little too close for my comfort though. We definitely do NOT want to have people who are of present or former official political ranks or roles, especially of international kind, going around fueling support for the U.S., U.K., European, NATO warring that evidently is long(er)-term also aiming for Russia and possibly China. And even if President Putin was criminally involved like his Russian associates are in the drug trade, then this would not justify support for this hellishly extreme warring of the West on the East and Middle East. The latter is far more criminal than a president would be for partaking in the illegal drug trade.

In England, although I don't know if this has changed over very recent years, but assuming it hasn't, well, heroin addicts are not treated as criminals; they're instead sent to treatment clinics, where they can get their "fix" so that they're not dysfunctional. I've know a few people who were heroin addicts, but they weren't poor, could always afford their needs or drug, and as long as they took their "fix" when the body demanded for it, these people functioned, worked, and no one knew about the drug consumption; unless told, which is how I learned from these addicts. I otherwise would not have known.

But given the widespread brainwashing lies about the drug addiction and all of the ignorant prejudices thereby caused, I can easily imagine that a lot of ignorant people would support war on Russia just because drug trafficking is distributed to and in part through that country.

So Murray had me worried a little, but at least it's only a relatively short part of his article, only briefly mentioning that some of these drug profiteering Russian officials are associates and/or friends of president Putin, which literally is not the same as saying that he actually is aware that these people are doing or have done this.

Other than for worrying me like that, the article is otherwise very interesting. Had me steaming and cussing a bit though.

Given that there is plenty of mention of the Russian or Zionist-Russian oil oligarchy people involved in the Litvinenko story, I'll provide some links to articles that should only be complementary to your effort to illustrate that the allegations against President Putin are nonsense and/or worse; like fraudulent, intentionally deceitful propaganda, so rather criminal.

I don't need to go through much analysis to figure that President Putin is not dumb enough to slip up in the present reality of our world. What he, and very clearly so, first and foremost is about is trying to keep Russia out of the hands of the economic elites of the West and running the West's superpower government which, with its U.K., European, NATO allies, and the governments of several former USSR states that have become independent from Russia also allying themselves with the U.S., et al; well, he knows what they're all up to, that the West is encroaching on Russia (and China), they've been doing this since at least the 1990s, although we can surely say since the period of the Cold War and during which time we know that the U.S. government worked to clobber the USSR, etc. Putin knows major predators are at Russia's borders even, such as in Latvia and Georgia, as well as in other former Russian or USSR states.

Putin's not going to risk messing up in his plan to defend Russia against this Western elite predation for economic domination by having anyone like a Litvinenko assassinated.

That is my very first consideration in the case of someone in a position like he is in. You're very right to argue that he most surely would not risk taking pelonium into England, but I don't need more reasoning than the above; for, for me, it's his patriotism and his acute awareness of the predatory economic and, instrumentally, military encroachment upon Russia that will keep him very SHARP.

The Bush administration is full of idiots and some of them may possibly be demonically possessed, as far as I'm concerned or perceive; but Putin is NO dummy. He's a very bright if not brilliant, and a very honourable, patriotic, ... leader of his country. When he says that he is NOT going to be backing down, that it ain't NO USA, UK, and NATO that are going to convince him to back down, then I don't take his words as anything less than full truth and definitely serious. He is not joking around with demented jokers Bush et al; they're sick jokers, but he sure is not.

There's no way that he'd take risks like those that would be involved if he did have someone like Litvinenko assassinated. The PRICE is far too, astronomically HIGH; he's not going to put Russia at risk like that. It is what he'd be risking to put in grave danger if he went and f*cked up by having Litvinenko assassinated.

The following articles show Putin as he really is, with respect to present international politics anyway.

"Russia plays the Shtokman card", by M. K. Bhadrakumar, who 'served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for more than 29 years, with postings including ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995 - 98 ) and to Turkey (1998 - 2001)',
July 27 2007, mparent7777-2.blogspot.com

I got that link via Mike Whitney's "Kissinger's secret meeting with Putin" linked further below, and I'll excerpt some of the start of this article in order to give readers an immediate idea of what this is about.



VERY INTERESTING article, I'll say.

"Kissinger's Secret Meeting With Putin", by Mike Whitney, July 19 2007, GlobalResearch.ca

"Bush-Putin Summit in Kennebunkport: The New Cold War", by Mike Whitney, July 11 2007, GlobalResearch.ca

"USA-Russia: Hitting the Same Gate, or Playing One and the Same Game?", by Irina Lebedeva,
Strategic Cultural Foundation (Russia), http://en.fondsk.ru ,
July 11 2007, GlobalResearch.ca

That's also about the Kennebunkport meeting between Pres. Putin and ... Bush, and a very interesting article; both on this meeting are good reading and news we should also know about. Definitely shows Putin in an excellent light, and the meeting produced at least one good agreement.

More surely good articles are surely and easily found in the Russia and FSU index at GR, and possibly in the Oil and Energy index; among probably other indexes there.

There are surely articles linked in the post I made a few hours ago, and one I particularly have in mind, really two articles but while only the second of the pair is really substantive, very too. This is about the U.S. and U.K. fraudulently having accused Libya and convicted an innocent Libyan man for the 1988 Pan Am-Lockerbie bombing, of which both the Libyan and Libya were totally innocent; as has been proven en masse.

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=59779#59779

It's a long post at or near the end of the long discussion thread page, so to quickly jump to the two article link, just do a Web browser search on 'Lockerbie', minus the quotes.

If the U.S. and U.K. governments could do something that criminal and disgusting to Libya, the they most surely should be suspected in the Litvinenko assassination story; not that either of these two governments are necessarily responsible, but to play the game of trying to discedit or make fraudulently based allegations against Russia is not an uncharacteristic way for the U.S. and U.K.

Zionism though? It's involved, but not boss.

It really does not take a genius to figure out that Putian would gain nothing and could not possibly be stupid enough to poison a man with a radioactive 10 million dollar easily tracable poison.

The poison trails were traced right back to the Oligrachs places of work and residence. AL died because he traveled too much with this stuff and ODed his confession is fake it has one source and that's an ally of the oligarchs.

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Regardless of the cost of the radioactive poison, the point as far as I'm concerned is that Putin SURELY would not presently take any risks at all to have likely anyone assassinated. Putin is a truly patriotic Russian who's TOPMOST priority is securing Russia away from the Western globalists, these capitalistic predators, who are operating ALL OVER OUR WORLD today, targeting MUCH of it.

Putin has had that focus for long enough now and is NOT going to be changing his focus to lesser matters than the issue of securing Russia.

Even if the radioactive poison cost a mere $5 and could not be traced back to a source deployer, it's very unlikely that Putin would go after Alex. Litvinenko.

That's all I have to say, and I'm not interested in reading slop writing; thanks.

True; you're just interested in writing it. Nothing sloppier than badly researched ramblings, dude.

just joking, ahem, sort of.

carry on.....

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Oops, I had overlooked the 'just joking' part, but will revise the following to my best, now that I noticed this part of what you said. I don't want to spend much time at this revision though, so will just give this a quick going over.

I said NOTHING that is badly researched ramblings, and if you were serious, then I'd have to say to BE SPECIFIC, to provide specific references to wherein I'm off-base.

If you think that I'm disagreeing with the argument about the pelonium or polonium (whichever) being something Putin would not do, or (more realistically) order to be done, because of it being very expensive and traceable in terms of origin, then you are MISREADING. I don't disagree with that.

What I differently say are the following two points.

1) He would NOT do that even if the financial cost was low and the substance could not be traced in terms of origin.

Why? It, and [minimally] this for reasoning, is because he has far greater judgement than that and also has far greater priorities right now. He would not involve himself with having very inconsequential people or people with very inconsequential statements about or against him assassinated; RUSSIA being a FAR OUTWEIGHING priority; really Russia and the whole of Central Asia and Eurasia, given that the latter is about the U.S. and NATO encroachment on Russia and China, a Western predatory movement that is definitely much related to Putin's concern about making Russia safe and secure, from the West's predators, imperialists, ....

2) Taking the argument that Ry states, and which is while omitting other important considerations, leaves an inference that is logically interpretable as if it was arguing that if the pelonium was not expensive and could not be traced in terms of origin, then there's some likelihood that Putin would order such an assassination as happened with Alex Litvinenko. While some state leaders, like the rogue ones of the U.S. government, and other rogue governments, might or will order assassinations for only insane reasons, this is not in Putin's character; not as state leader anyway.

Either way, he would not order such an assassination, and my argument eliminates the inference readers can perceive in Ry's argument. I do not think that Ry intentionally left that inference, but it is left nonetheless.

After all, interpretation is up to not the speaker or presenter, but to the reader or listener; after which clarification is required, for the listener or reader to be certain of what the writer or speaker means and does not mean. Simple, elementary communications skills matter.

The following excellent article is yet another piece that well illustrates what kind of situation exists in the context of Russia, China, Central Asia and the Middle East, with all of the U.S. and NATO GWoT'ism over there. The article is another piece that makes it clear that Putin has MUCH to see to, FAR before goofing up with ordering assassinations of people making inconsequential and/or bogus claims against him.

"The Sino-Russian Alliance: Challenging America's Ambitions in Eurasia", by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya, Sep 23 2007, originally Aug 26th,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=6688

I have just discovered an old article on his funeral:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,1967295,00.html

Why all the hoo-hah over whether he converted to Islam or not?
A pro-Chechnyan dissident is killed after meeting with a Russian Oligarch who supposedly funded reactionary elements of Chechen 'resistance' (or in other words funded false flag Beslan school massacre etc) - which in turn gave the Russians an 'excuse' to come down hard on the Chechens, yet then be internationally condemned...HMM Maybe Litvinenko had come to realise this and wanted to confront Berezofsky and got killed?

Can someone clarify? This case has been out of my mind for a while... and I have forgotten things - I'm not sure it adds up.