Anti-Neocons

In this crucial time when the Fascist state of Israel is murdering thousands of innocent people all to the tune of US support and profits. Remember that it is not America and it is not "the Jews." We must be careful to separate such broad simplifications and not vent our frustrations and justified anger on easily identifiable targets. Many Americans (such as myself) have been aware of and against this blood for profit horror from the start. Many leading anti-war advocates are Jewish/Hebrew, (Stewart, Chomsky, Robert Fisk, Norm Finkelstein, Alexander Cockburn, ect...)

The Neocons are using the religion/race card to hide behind to stave off criticism. The Zionists run the media and there is no way all the corporate profiteers could get away with what they were doing in their warmongering were it not over lapping the interests of Israel

This time the press coverage is so appalling and so openly bias that even American and British couch potatoes can see through it. Some sane voices are even leaking through the attempted spin. Now the main reason to tie this in with Judaism however is to collect the support and overwhelming wealth of Christian Zionists.

Its the American Government that is so screwed up not the people. And it's the (government of) Religious institutions, the Church, that is screwed up not the basic moderate Christian believers. They have no clue or control of where the money goes.

There is a nasty relationship here between the Bank, Government, Religion and the Military Industrial Complex better named the Military Industrial Religions business. Religion is an industry and a tax free one at that.

Israel is the medium. Ok. Israel serves as the cashcow and point of perpetual conflict. Religion is the fuel as there are always a portion of religious people who are easily manipulated to do anything including the worst crime of humanity in history and that is very easy to document.

This group comprises such loons as the Settlers in the occupied territories, who live on land for the self proclaimed chosen race of god, which they took from civilians illegally, with the Israeli military, by murdering people, demolishing homes, and terrorism. Now the press will NEVER mention that.

The backlash of this apartheid state is a cycle of violence. But without a mention of the illegal and brutal occupation, the US media depicts Israel as defending itself against terrorism, rather than dealing with the results of committing it. And it is not just Palestine, Israel occupies or has occupied parts of Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt as well. Israel killed tens of thousands of Lebanese in 1978 and 1982 and the ensuing occupation of there preemptive and US supported invasions.

They torture people, and their supreme court legalized it in 1987 not that its illegality have ever slowed it down a bit. Israel is breaking more UN resolutions than any other nation is or ever has. And the number would be much higher were it not for the US veto power which often vetoes resolutions solo against the entire international community.

How can the US support a nation that sets up a spy ring in the US for the upteenth time, or a nation who has been busted creating false flag operations and even attacking a US naval ship? How can the US support a country that has set up a wall not on it's border but cutting into Palestine under the pretext of a "security fence" which is in essence a land grab?

Why?

The answer is not hard to gue$$.

Please see this film about the US media first.

Now that you understand the Media's role, here (briefly) is how it ties into the MIC-RB and the Central (privately owned) banks.

See this video link if you do not understand the fiat money system or what a private bank means. Just to note another film is coming about the same topic and it is called From Freedom to Fascism. But it is not out yet, here is the trailer if you do not have time to review the other film I referred.

Before one can fully understand the goal of the Neocons they must understand the Israeli conflict and what it serves. To do that one must understand the role of the press and the debt systems generated by the bank through war.

The missing bit, of which there is no film for, is the one that no one will talk about because it is so taboo by its nature. The most taboo subject of all is of course religion, particularly Christianity.

I want to point out that though I am an Atheist, I was raised religious and I know enough about Christianity and Judaism to say they clearly state that what is currently being done in their name is the antithesis of the messages of Christ and the teachings/warnings of the Torah. And you can quote nasty things from scripture all day it doesn't matter. I agree (as an atheist) religious texts (any of them) are fucking retarded and immoral. But that's a totally separate issue. Many Jews are also only so ethnically and no religiously, just like many Irish Americans consider themselves Irish even if they've never been to Ireland and are not Catholic and might not even be Christian.

[Now does Judaism have a concept of a chosen race of god? Well yes it does, But so what. Christianity has the [url]concepts[/url] of animal sacrifices, witches, the divine right of kings, talking animals, marriage contracted only sex, mythical creatures and so on. But one would be hard pressed to find America Christians who still advocated for a king, a monarchy over a republic, or who sprayed a lambs blood on his door to avoid the angle of death. I am not advocating religion, both Judaism and Christianity condemn homosexuality, supported slavery, and treat women like property but the religion has evolved passed that in most regards. See religion is as religion does, so as long as the followers ignore huge portions of their text, then their text really doesn't matter.

The military is the largest umbrella corporation in the world and the US military has more funding than all other militaries put together. War is expensive and it involves a lot of reconstruction, indeed sometimes entire cities (as was the case for Japan) and that is A LOT of contracts and money being selectively handed out without bidding to companies who have financial ties to government employees and or connections in the form of campaign financing to politicians.

Some of the largest investors into the stocks (and equity firms) of the companies which will benefit from war are (surprise) churches!!
Yes the Fascist state of Israel has its occupation supported more by Evangelicals, AND mainstream Protestant churches in the US than it does by the US government.

Now the real crazies who are easy to identify like Robertson and Falwell pay lip service to Israel to mobilize their flocks. But quietly and without much criticism, other denominations are investing the money of mostly good willing Christians into the pockets of the Military industries involved in the occupation.

Israel could fall flat on its face short of some orchestrated event to hasten the US muscle into Syria and Iran. Israel's real plan is not about recovering captured ("kidnapped") soldiers.

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It doesn't matter that Obama is now in office. The old Neocons of PNAC are out mostly but the new Zionists in charge have just re-spouted in CNAS with the exact same agenda as the original neocons. The policies are the same, the only difference between any of them are their origins. A Typhoon or a Hurricane differ only in origin but the results are the same, disaster.

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I'm surprised no one has commented yet, this is very good.

Yes not a race or religion but a technocracy, it's harder to see when you are in the midst of racial, political, or religious ideology because that precludes a panoramic view.

And yeah if we resort to petty hatred and we are just taking our place on the chess board of their divide and rule game.
I think your posting of this is good timing because things always heat up when big events happen, my and many others loathing of Israels activity has grown enormously with what is happening now, but anger can obscure objective thinking thus it gets thrown about without correct discrimination.

But how to get christian zionists to give up their irrational beliefs? They think that muslims are working for the 'anti-christ' while muslims call america and israel 'the great satan' and not without justification in the latter.

More money (way more) goes to Israel from WASP churches than from the government.

What is the illuminati?

a fantasy from Protestant Christians to shift the blame of their financing of Israel on to atheist and or catholics (note the knights of templar crap and all the other old catholic military orders)

PNAC came straight out of Israel by the same people who wrote the Clean break papers.

I know Alex is a patriot but he is also a Christian nut and fell in with the Tex Marrs illumnati crap.

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As much as the Ultra-Zionist and Radical Evangelical ideology is troubling and racist, lets come back to reality about the political situation in the Middle East. A good reference point is the Declaration of the Arab Summit Conference at Algiers on November 28, 1973

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... sum73.html

At this conference, which resolutions are in sharp contrast to the resolutions set forth at the Khartoum Summit Conference of September 1, 1967

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/khartoum.htm

the three four key players in regional politics, Saudi Arabia, per capita the richest, Egypt, the most populous, and Jordan, with the longest border with the Palestinian Territories and Israel, all recognized the existence of Israel as a state, called for the withdrawal of Israel behind the Green and Blue Lines demarcated before 1967, and the surrender of Jerusalem. This Declaration laid the groundwork for the agreements between Jordan and Egypt and the greivances of the extremist in the region against the moderate and "appeasing" governments in the region to the Zionist threat.

While there is no denying the atrocities that occurred in the displacement of nearly a million Palestinians, Druze, Arab and Hammite Nomads, Bedouin and the people of the Negev, the Zionist often cite the upwards of 700,000 Egyptian, Arab, Persian, Turkish and African Jews from across the Middle East that migrated to Israel in the past 50 years, and the centuries of atrocities they sufffered under various Muslim regimes throughout the region. While there is no real justification for the murder, displacement and disenfranchisement of the Palestinian people for the crimes of the Germans and Europeans in the Holocaust, propaganda has played a major role creating a political environment which fosters this mentality.

At this point, anyone objective with an education can see these greivances, as well as the complicated state of affairs, but the real question is "how do we fix this shit?" While I like to be surrounded by like-minded people in terms of political beliefs and social philosophy, we have to be giving this serious thought rather than preaching to the choir.

The current political situation is disastrous for both sides. Confidence in Prime Minister Olmert is at an all-time low. Not since the Yom Kippur War of 1973 has an Israeli military campaign been considered a "loss", when the Israelis were forced to negotiate with the Egyptians after the invasion, and the result was a 30-year treaty which was signed at Camp David, and the withdrawal from the Sinai Peninsula. Since 1973, this is the first time the Israelis have ceded anything without a guarantee, and the first time land was not attained and occupied or an objective not accomplished that was detailed before the initiation of a campaign.

While we may not discuss the opposite side of the conflict very often, there are serious implications for the strategic position of Hezbollah right now. First and foremost, the secular governments in the Middle East are all at a very weak stage, Iraq could fall into civil war any day, the Egyptian government is constantly challenged by fundamentalist and the Lebanese government could have collapsed in the past 34 days, and the worst is yet to be seen as Hezbollah has taken a primary role in aiding hundred of thousands of refugees in Lebanon (an estimated 750,000), most of which (80%) are Shia and from the South. We must realize that the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend here. I am not atheist, but I am certainly secular, and, quite frankly, I would not want to live under the regime of Israel as a non-Jew, but also would not want to live under the regime of Hezbollah or any Islamist government as a secular Muslim. And while there is no question the disproportionate funding for Israel and its 5 million Jewish citizens and 2.8 million regular and reserve armed forces provides an additional reason for regional instability, just the 90 million in egypt could draw an army of 10 million with organization and will, that, with the proper technology and training, could defeat any army in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia. More important, the 3 million people of Lebanon, and the estimated 50,000 members of the Hezbollah militia hidden in a sea of 1 million Shia Muslims throughout the country, could not be defeated by the largest army in the Middle East at the current time. At a time like this, it would be easy for the Pro-Israel Lobby to argue that Israel needs more support than ever in the face of Iran and Syria using Hezbollah as a proxy, and this could have been the preface to a larger regional war and possibly World War III.

Most importantly, we must realize that there is no "hidden majority" of Americans "with a conscious". Even the illiterate 30-year old auto mechanic that lives in a trailer recognizes that:

a) the history of the United States includes some of the worst human rights violations to date, including genocidal campaigns against an entire greater human race of Native Americans, the largest commercial slave trade in the world, religious and racial violence for 200 years, 210,000 people kills in two nuclear attacks in four days at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and hundreds of thousands more killed as a result of radioactive poisoning from the attack, and countlesss illegal wars

b) the first settlers in the United States were religious refugees.

c) the displacement of the Native Americans (and subsequent enslavement and killing) was justified for the survival and longevity of the first settlers in the United States.

Maybe I am missing something, but that ironically mirrors the philosophical history of Israel.

Who are you to tell that the United States is funding Israel? And if they do not know by now, what good will it be telling them? As the extremes are emerging all around us, I suggest we take a moment and come back to reality.

I agree with some of what you say, african warrior, but I would like to point out that according to arabs (you referred to the middle east as muslim states, which I have to disagree with because there aren't any "Islamic" countries anywhere in the world...Saudi Arabia and Iran being the least Islamic) there were generally no attrocities committed against jews, and as far as recent history goes Ben Gurion was quoted saying that the early zionists did false flag operations in the middle east in order to get more jews to migrate to Israel.

My grandmother(RIP) used to tell me stories of how well the muslims, christians, and jews got along before the zionists had control in palestine.

Second, the Native American situation is very similar to the palestinian issue, but they differ in that the native americans were given reservations to live in and given civil rights (eventually) and basic human rights. The palestinians are still being driven out of their lands and the Israelis are not going to give up until they are all gone, whether by killing them, starving them, or expelling them. The Palestinians don't have ANY human rights or civil rights.

I live in the south, and trust me, a lot of people here don't know their own history and believe that their government is the greatest govt in the world! They are totally oblivious to what is really happening in the world.

The few people who do know feel helpless, and others are happy this is going on, while others don't care.

Dude Iraq has been in a civil war for about 2 years now. They dont have controll of the military so its gurtilla groups from each religious faction fighting each other.



Given? more like forced. Reservations even CURRENTLY are theree diviations below the poverty line. They are nothing but work camps. Ever go to one aside from the Navajo. They are super large trailer parks.

Until 1973 American Indians had to go get a liscens from DC or Oklahoma just to get married. Ronald Reagan dislaced 1 million Indians of the 4 million that even exist and that would be including mixed people. Many tribes are not Federally recognized even though they are clearly Native Americans and they dont even have a reservation and their languages have been totally lost. Young Natives were forcefully taken from their homes and sent to English schools. You know why things changed in 1973? The second Wounded Knee that's what. Thank you AIM.

The world does speak out for Palestine, American Indians are still ignored. 50 million were killed by colonial powers that even more than the Africans who lost around 44 million in the slave trade and numerous invasions.

It was genocide, not just an occupation but toal genocide especially in the Carribean and What is now Mexico and of course the rest of North America with the exception of Hawaii. Hawaii is more like Palestine killed and occupied by religious fanatics and their wealth completely stolen and land taken but not wiped out.

Native Americans remain the poorest enthic group in the US even with a gambling and dont get me started on that bull shit 90% of the money goes to the BIA not to Natives.

The Crow are the one possible exception because of people like Robert Yellow Tail a lawyer who lived to be 103 and had the time to force the BIA to see his cases even though they bottle necked it, he out lived the judges and thus they got mineral rights to coal worth millions. Now there are Americans whose homes cost more and plenty of millionaires but thats an amazing amount of money for any Native people.

Hell I watched the Matoppani in Virginia lose their fish hackery to a water reservoir for NewPOrt News even when the entire community spoke on the side of the Native whites and black, arabs, etc all spoke for the Native people. The meeting had so many speakers for the tribes that they didn't have enough time to hear the other side. There wa sno other side. They just wanted to build water reservoir in the ost exspensive way humanly possible inorder to get the money for construction. why be cost efficient when the money is coming from the state? Well The Natives lost their river and that was in 2005.

People just don't hear about these issues. Before I made this site I had a page for Native People. I converted it to an anti-ar site because I thought that was more important. But before you speak about Native Americans do the research. They are lied about and ignored as Palestine and if you think it was all stuff from 100 years ago think again.

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Eustace Mullins

a man who personally knew and worked with Benjamin Freedman and Myron Fagan , who exposed this conspiracy 45 years ago

says that Naturei Karta is one of their groups

DBS is a scumbag/DarylBradfordS ... lins2.html

This is inside fight amonst them because:

Naturei Karta agrees FULLY with Talmud according to which


Do you agree with them?

I encourage everyone to read the Tallmud. Its the worst religious text I have ever found even worst that the Bible and that's pretty hard to do.

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It is pretty abysmal, but if you say shit about it you get called racist. The only religion that you get called racist for criticising.

hopeforjustive, while you are partially correct in your reply, I cannot see how this is relevant to the issue at hand.

If by stating that “there aren’t any Islamic countries anywhere in the world”, you mean to say that none of the regimes that claim to be Muslim governments or Islamic governments are ruling in the true spirit of Islam, I agree with you. But, ultimately, given the military history of the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) and the military conquest of the Hegira Era and the Muslim Empire, machismo is entrenched in the social fabric of societies dominated by Islam.

To say that Arabs would say that no atrocities were committed against Jews is a fallacy. Testament to this is the contingent of Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese and Palestinian Jews who are Zionists. Furthermore, history strongly suggest otherwise. We must remember that the beginnings of the Zionist State in the Galilee and on the northern coastal plain at Haifa were legitimate purchases of land from wealthy Turkish, Lebanese and Palestinian Christian and secular Muslim landowners by Ashkenazi Jews from Central and Eastern Europe. And while the Shah of Iran and the Shia community of Iran harbored Jews from Eastern Europe, and the Turks also harbored Jews escaping the horrors of the Holocaust, fundamentalist and extremist movements in the Middle East, based on a very strict interpretation of the Quran and the Hadith, were, are, and always has and will discriminate against non-Muslims. Given the exodus of Arab Christians and Arab Jews from various regions of the Middle East before the establishment of Israel, particularly during the Interwar (after World War I and before World War II) Period, we cannot assume that the polarization in the region is in response to Zionism.

The polarization in the region was an anti-colonial response to the violation of national sovereignty and rights of the region by the British and French after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1916. The Baath Party was created from bands of rebels who eventually overthrew the governments in Iraq and Syria, both of which monarchies were established and working closely with the British and the French, particularly in Iraq, where King Faisal has approved a British policy making it legal for the National Petroleum Company to be solely owned by the British. When the British dissolved the democratically-elected Egyptian Government, seized the Suez Canal and declared martial law in Egypt during the rise of Hitler, extremist elements emerged as powerful forces, later become various Islamic militias and the Muslim Brotherhood. As extremism was becoming a political force which would later free the region from the economic imprisonment of the West, many non-Muslims, capitalists and secularists fled to the United States and Europe, including Mizrahi and Sephardim Jews. David Ben-Gurion may have used a number of ploys to encourage Jewish migration from across the region, but the political situation which made such exodus a necessity was not created by Israel.

As poverty threatened the entire global economic system, Jews were facing pogroms and the eventual genocidal campaign against them, based on allegations that they were the primary force behind the Communist Parties, Africa, Asia and South America were erupting in widespread violence and revolution, I cannot see how one can overlook this turmoil and speak of a time when “everyone got along”. The Levantine, Yemeni and Egyptians coastal utopian communities on the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden with Jews, Christians and Muslims living in peace and harmony have long been extinct.

When making comparisons between the Native Americans, of the situation in South Africa, or Australia or China, and the Palestinians, one must keep in mind that the motivation is similar in many ways, but that these countries are vast with plenty of land and resources. The current political, economic and social arrangement between the Native Americans and the Federal Government of the United States was developed once an arrangement was formulated that would benefit the economy of the United States, namely the Native American participation in the capitalist economic system. The same is true in South Africa, Australia, China, Vietnam, Russia, etc. The Palestinians are completely dependent on the Israeli economy, and the Israeli government is the sovereign over their national interests, in the same fashion as China is to Tibet, South Africa to the Zulu, and the United States to the Native Americans. Until the Second Intifada, more Palestinians were employed in Israel than any other entity, including the more than 100,000 jobs in the Palestinian Authority, which is currently the largest employer, but which has been unable to pay wages due to the sanctions against the Authority in response to the election of Hamas.

The land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is barely larger than New Jersey, and currently there are almost 5 million Jews and nearly 5 million Palestinians, and we must also take into account that more than half of the land area is not arable and the Negev Desert, along with a fragile ecosystem in the Jordan River Valley and increased pollution affecting the scarce fresh water wells and sources. With 9.5 million Palestinians worldwide, more than half of which are living in exile, there is no simple political solution. Not even Arab members of the international affairs community advocated the exile of the 5 million Jews in Israel, and even extremists that purport this idea have no humanitarian solution for such displacement. Currently, the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories, and the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, live on an estimated 15% of the land in the mandate, and estimates put the final figure at 8%, with the Wall and Settlements, and the proposed Israeli annexation of the Jordan River Valley. The Israelis are simply following a very basic colonial model established by the British and the Dutch for dispossession, genocide, slavery and assimilation and have implemented said system in the modern age of cameras, media, statistics and data analysis. Simply loading 3,000 Africans into the hull of a ship bound for the Americas to be sold as slaves and dumping dead bodies into the Atlantic Ocean over a 300-year period (over 100 million just for an estimate) is no longer acceptable. I do not have the exact figure of the population estimates of the Native Americans in 1492, nor the population estimates now with the amount of reservation land as a percentage of the current land area of the United States, but it is obvious that more a far larger proportion were killed in genocidal campaigns, their languages, alphabets and cultures destroyed, assimilation used as a tool to erase their existence and all of the foregoing occurred over the course of 500 years. The Palestinians have not fallen victim to any of these tools of colonialism.

No peoples in the history of this planet, particularly as a group of people, at least documented to our knowledge, have ever relinquished their human rights without eventually being killed. The Palestinians will continue to resist and will be granted rights by Israel, without any international intervention or involvement, when, and only when, the situation benefits the social, economic and political fabric of Israeli society. In contrast, we should be supporting the initiatives set forth in the latest United Nations Security Council Resolution, which will finally bring a strong international force to the region to enforce a ceasefire and hold the Blue Line. The same initiatives will have to be set forth for the Palestinian Territories, which must include the withdrawal of Israeli behind all 1967 treaty lines, which includes the removal of more than 420,000 settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the removal and withdrawal of all Israeli military installations and military personnel in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Shebaa Farms and Lebanon, and the deployment of international troops into Gaza and the West Bank, and an increase in support for the troops monitoring the cease fire in the Golan Heights, which international military force may have to be as many as 50,000 troops, if not more. If anyone else has a realistic alternative, I would like to hear it.

hey ry, great information on the real situation with the native americans

hey ry, i don't know if i would jump out there and say that iraq has been in civil war for two years. factions have been warring for years now, but the central government and the national economy has been intact until recently, despite the fact that it is propped by the american government. the chaos that has insued since the fall of saddam hussein i would not call a civil war, that was just a windfall that was expected after any strong oppressive central government falls.

Here is the differnce. Anyone can be a Muslim however Judaism under Zionism has a racial/enthic componet to it. When they say a Jewish state that means for one particular bloodline its no different that an Aryan state.

There are countries that have lots of Muslims and there are countries that have lots of Christians there is even a christian country the Vaticcan and it has more wealth than many nations despite its small size.

America is fairly Chrisatian dominated. They write god on the moeny, you swear on a bible in court the President is sworn in on a bible churches have total tax exemption yet they still get a lobby and they send billions to a foreign government, all the Christian holidays are nationally recognized and comply with school bearks and so forth and are openly talked about on TV. There are countless Christians programs even their own network and the 700 club etc.

However you dont have to be Christian to live there and have the same rights and yeh you will face some prejudice if your not religious and no Atheist could ever get elected and yeh they have a problem with gay people and issues with science like stem cells and abortion and evolution but no one is going to knock down your house.

BUT anyone can be a Christian, there is no ethnic element to it. Now I hate religoins that is obvious, I think they are dogmatic fairy tales for adults who need a crutch in their life. However I will say that Islam and Christianity are far better than Judaism or Henduism because they do not have a racial aspect to them (however Christianity used to, for whites).

So when they say there is a Jewish state thats like saying theire is a whites only state or a blacks only state etc.

Constitutionally the US is not a christian nation but that's just on paper they sure do enjoy a lot of privilages.

I call Iraq a civil war 100 people die a day there from warfare. Its just not a war in a classic sense but how elese could they war? There basically is no governemnt not one the people acknowledge. Its Anarchy.

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Okay, now you're making it sound good!

While religious conversion is typical, and even encouraged in the United States, to change one's religion, particularly in the Middle East, Italy (or any Catholic country), Eastern Europe or northern or eastern Africa is heresy. In Central Asia and Easter Europe, there are nationalized Christian denominations, particularly the orthodox, in Romania, Russia, Greece, the Ukraine, Serbia, Armenia, along with various nationalize Catholic denominations, a trend that has spread to South America, the Coptic sect and the like. As a matter of fact, one of the most well known massacres of Palestinian people were not executed by the Israelis, but by an extremist Maronite Christian militia called the Phalangists, which murdered over 1,000 Palestinian refugees in UNRWA refugees camps established in 1949 in West Beirut called Sabra and Shatila. In Islam, Shia is becoming a nationalized denomination, with the Grand Ayatollah acting as Pope over the sect of Islam.

Even in biblical times, conversion to Judaism was a ritual, just as for Moses' wife, David's wives and Mary Magdalene. And ultimately, and this is especially true of the Palestinian Christian community, there are those that know there lineage to the time of Christ, and can trace their roots back to a Jewish family which converted after the dispersion of the disciples after the crucifiction of Christ. The most ardent Muslim believers do not deny the scripture or the Word of God claiming the Jews to be the "Chosen People", they just do not believe that only those that call themselve Jews today are the "Chosen People" or that they are the only ones who are worthy of the inheritance. Furthermore, the Muslims believe they are the true believers, the "Chosen People" and are alone worthy of the inheritance. Orthodox Christians have similar beliefs, while Western European Protestants and New World Christians find that they are "saved" and the rest of us are going to hell. Personally, I just do not want to spend eternity with those wingnuts, so as long as there is an alternative, you will find me there.

The traditions of "Jewish Blood", or "the child of a Jewish Mother is Jewish" are not biblical, and most of them have their source in anti-Semitic rhetoric from the Old Ages in Europe, or the propaganda revived during the reign of Hitler. I find it dangerous to use propaganda from this period to further our aims as propaganda from the Nazi regime and the subsequent Holocaust is one of the greatest pieces of propaganda used by the Zionist State.

Judaism under Zionism has a more inclusive racial/ethnic component than Islam. Ariel Sharon was instrumental in bringing Jews from Ethiopia and Sudan to Israel. Jews have also migrated to Israel from India, Pakistan and Central Asia. Jewish traditions are not thought to have any roots further east of the Himalaya Mountains. In Islam, only the region conquered during the Hegira include a majority of the races and ethnicities, from Spain and Morocco to the Philippines and from Turkey, Bosnia, Bulgaria and Chechnya to Tanzania and Mozambique. Therefore, there are no Muslim traditions originating in Central or Western Europe in the past two thousand years, and thus, there is no racial or ethnic equivalent to the Ashkenazi, and much of the Sephardim Jews, but Mizrahi Jews are dispersed throughout the Hegira region.

Furthermore, Israel has an immigration policy, that primarily targets the Christian inhabitants of poor countries in Eastern Europe, and Israel also has a guest worker program that primarily targets Japanese, Chinese, Koreans and South Americans.

Furthermore, nationalized states are becoming more and more common, particularly in Africa, where former colonial lines are crumbling in the face of ethnic tension and war. We denounce Israel but praise the natives of South Africa, when the original factions of the African National Congress were closely allied with the Zionist and the Jewish communities in Europe and South Africa, and the model for the end of apartheid reparations were based on the foundation of the Jewish National Fund, which model would confiscate all lands, just as had been in the mandate, and redistribute them to the natives, just as in Israel land was redistributed, and is still distributed through the State Fund, primarily to Jews only. In other African countries, they are expelling Europeans. Is this not nationalization? And essentially, if the entire world nationalized, where would this leave the Jews? This is a key argument for Israel. When the Danish People's Party, a fascist political party, takes over 30% of the Danish legislature, and can publish racist propaganda in support of their proposed laws such as making it illegal Europeans marrying non-Europeans, and some of the tamest of their propaganda becomes a worldwide cartoon scandal where the West supports the rights of such fascism and racism, what does that lead me to believe? Europe is two steps from repeating everything that occurred between 1933 and 1945. All we need is a rogue political movement initiated by Muslims and/or immigrants in Europe and widespread economic recession.

I would call the conflict in Iraq exactly what it is, the British colonial lines crumbling. The partition of Kurdistan in 1919 should never survive more than 100 years, and in my opinion, only the repression of Iran, Russia, Syria, Saddam and Turkey kept the nation disenfranchised this long. Kurdish independence is essential to stability in the Upper Mesopotamian Valley, and the current conflict in Iraq is testament to the fact that the Kurds have never had a sovereign state, though most of the world recognizes the existence of a nation without a state, just like the Palestinians. I think a Kurdish man or woman would take offense to identifying the conflict in Iraq as anything less than almost 100 years of struggle for Kurdish independence, and most Kurdish extremist have never considered the Mosul province to be part of the British Mandate of Iraq, nor the Sovereign Kingdom of Iraq established by the British. The United States and the United Nations, along with support from Iran, provided the Kurds with a higher level of automony in the Mosul province than in any other province of the Kurdish nation. There have been autonomous systems of government in each of the three Ottoman provinces since the colonial period, only the Baath Party attempted to destroy any and all remnant of them in order to maintain control of the Basra and Mosul oil fields. The irony in Iraq is that the oil is under the Shia lands in the South and the Kurds in the North, but rules by the Sunni in the center. Only because the British needed to move oil and resources down the River Valley to the Persian Gulf were the three provinces combined anyways.

The United States has repeatedly refused to support the Kurds in this crucial moment, because the implications for shattering stability of every other nation where Kurdish land rest is a major threat to the region. This is one of the primary reasons for the "anarchy", which is really the emergence of religious and ethnic militias that are running various parts of the country because the central government was completely dissolved, and was never rebuilt, for various reasons. Only Sri Lanka, Somalia and the Congo have the same level of anarchy, but the true struggle is between the ethnic groups, and not just a hapless kill all marathon.

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This is all very good.

this should be stickied in the basics

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I have a problem with that : "it's the zionists not the jews".

Nowadays 98% of those who call themselves jews are zionists (though most of them, because of their clannish and tribalistic reflexes, have been duped into it without even knowing what they are supporting).

Before WWII most jews were opposed to zionism for they were happy living among other people in Europe, usa, middle eastern countries, north africa...etc.

After the tribulations of WWII and the concentration camps experiences, those who call themselves jews, have been transformed into becoming zealous supporters of zionism (a.k.a. : ultra jewish nationalism coupled with "we-are-the-chosen-people" kind of mentality..."G-d gave the Torah to HIS people"...).

(See this thread.)

I am particularly irritated by those who keep waiving that very small minority of ultra orthodox jews (in the hundreds), The Neturei Karta ("Guardians of the City"), as a proof that "all jews are not zionists".

The Neturei Karta opposes zionism purely and only on the bases of their understanding of jewish theology and nothing else. They assert that jewish people should not return to Israel until the long awaited MOSHIACH comes and establishes the messianic age when he will rule the world from Jerusalem (yep : The New World Order).

The Neturei Karta still believes and states that G-d has infused holliness into his people, the jewish people.

Whereas the jewish zionist elite say that, since G-d is not intervening in bringing about the jewish messianic age, THEY will bring about the messianic age (New World Order) using their political and financial powers (and also their expertise in staging false flags attacks...etc).

Check out this 1989 interview with a Neturei Karta Rabbi and a zionist jew interviewer and see what I am talking about :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QfgvDXsDds

I was expecting the Rabbi to say that he opposes the present state of Israel because the real state of israel must be standing on the foundations of righteousness not oppression....but to no availe. He even goes as far as worrying because the arabs could get the bomb (asshole)!!.

Check out this book from a jewish Rabbi from 1932 : The Jewish Utopia, by Michael Higger (1932), as well as : The Ultimate World Order - As Pictured in The Jewish Utopia (Paperback) by Robert Williams (1957).

Now, if you insist in finding a needle in a heist, at least point to these jews rather than Neturei Karta.

The protests of Neturei Karta are nothing more than a public relation stunt.

(go find the most friendly jew you know and start discussing with him Palestine, the massacres of Sabra and Chatila, Deir Yassine, the uprooting of olives trees of the palestinians...etc...Rachel Corrie...etc...and who gave them a carte blanche to mass immigrate to that part of the world at the expense of the local population in the first place...and see how much of a zionist he is or he is not)

Are there real (not fake) anti-zionist jews out there ?. Sure there are. Maybe this guy is one of them : Alfred M. Lilienthal (I said "maybe", because I have to study his writings in detail before I let him of the hook )

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I would have pointed out these:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

While they still take some of their anti-zionism from the Torah, they also talk about why its wrong, they also (I think) go into links between Nazism and Zionism.

Also, while I was in London I met a guy from an organisation 'Jews Against Zionism', it turned out it was secular 'jewish' people against zionism.

I know what you're saying, S, but it still isnt a case of "the jews not the zionists" because average jews, while they might turn a blind eye to Israel's crimes etc. are just tools in the hands of the Zionists.

@ /\D/\]\/[ : by linking to http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ you are making me think that you have missed the whole point of my post. Those are just like Neturei Karta, if they are not the same group (they both define themselves as "True Torah Jews")

The video of the interview I have linked to is from their front page website (where the true torah jew says : "G-d has infused holliness into the jewish people"..."but the arabs can get the bomb"...).

Take the time to re-read my post and follow the links.

You say : "average jews, while they might turn a blind eye to Israel's crimes etc. are just tools in the hands of the Zionists."

That's what I pointed to when I wrote above that : "because of their clannish and tribalistic reflexes, have been duped into it without even knowing what they are supporting".

Most average jewish folks have been duped into supporting zionism, that doesn't make them any less zionists in any way.

Most of them are educated, they have traveled, they have seen and experienced other cultures...etc, so they should know better when it comes to what to support and what not to support.

The heart of the problem I think is Judaism (which is Rabbinic Judaism and has nothing to do the religion of Moses) itself as it preaches that "Jews are unique" and that "Jews are G-d's chosen people...they have a unique destiny".

How can one expect them to integrate the human family since most of them believe that "G-d has infused holliness into his people, the jewish people" ?.

Actually one of the most virulent critic of that twisted mentality is (or was) one of them. He wrote many books where he calls on the jewish people to give up those 3000 year old superstitions of supremacy and uniqueness and come back to be full part of the human family.

One of such books he wrote is : Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years (Pluto Middle Eastern Studies) by Israel Shahak (1994)

When it comes to the Jewish Zionist Elite, I think their motivations are (pseudo) religious, but based also on their insatiable taste for wealth, power and control over others.

(If you want to go into the religious aspect of it, know that the Quran is an invitation to the jews as well and some of them are answering the invitation by converting to islam)

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It only takes a few reads to realize its the zionists not the jews. I really do think zionists go out on the net and promote this "its the jews nonsense" You ever see those people on youtube comments, and promote racist bullshit. Some are actual bigots but others are definite fakers.

PS: what the hell is with the spelling "G-d"? I always see fans of Israel always using that spelling. Do they not have an "o" on their keyboard?

I knew what you were saying, S, but I thought I would link to them because they do not just argue from religious texts while NK seems to stick to the Talmud and not have any mention of occupation or crimes of humanity or whatever. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong or anything, I just felt like saying my piece - my experience - of the matter... pointing something out.

Nearly all 'jews' that are against Zionism are either secular or Palestinian or both - not actually followers of Judaism.
So I agree with what your saying - its the reality that we all wish wasn't the case.

There really isn't even a need to use religious quotes to be anti-zionist. Anyone can be anti-Zionist because they disagree with the political policies of crossing the Green-line define by the camp David Accords which Israel signed, and demolishing homes and then building RACIAL colonies prtected by a standing army and an apartheid wall.

It is simple people who disagree with shooting children and creating a racial state are anti-zionist and it can included Jews, Christians, Atheist or Agnostics any religon or lack there of is irrelavent because it is a basic moral quesiton and religion has nothing to do with morality only supernatural morality.

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One of the biggest neo-con-artist writers is an atheist, he wrote a book on religion. He also wrote a book that is pro-Palestine.

The shot gun wedding between neo-conservatives and christian zionists reminds me of the unitarians and socialists of the progressive era.

They too preached the "social gospel" and "spreading democracy", one of their more embarassing achievements was prohibition of alcohol.

Woodrow Wilson was a "progressive intellectual". lol

Just writing that cracks me up.

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