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AIPAC TRIAL POSPONED INDEFINITELY!

A judge has again delayed the trial of two pro-Israel lobbyists after prosecutors indicated they may take an unusual pre-trial appeal of a ruling on what classified information the defense may present to the jury.

At a hearing today in federal court in Alexandria, Va., Judge Thomas Ellis III postponed indefinitely the trial that had been set for April 29 for the two former employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman


Messrs. Rosen and Weissman were charged in 2005 with conspiring to receive classified information and pass it on to journalists and foreign diplomats.

Prosecutors told Judge Ellis that they are likely to file a notice of appeal of a lengthy order he issued Wednesday after months of hearings under the Classified Information Protection Act. Lawyers close to the case cautioned that the notice is simply a mechanism to protect the government's right to appeal and does not necessarily mean an appeal will be pursued.

A spokesman for the prosecution, James Rybicki, confirmed the in-courtroom events. He would not comment on whether prosecutors had approval from officials in the Solicitor General's office at the Justice Department to pursue an appeal, which would be directed to the 4th Circuit in Richmond, Va

Mr. Rosen's defense attorney, Abbe Lowell, expressed frustration over the further delay. "It now appears the government does not want to try this case," Mr. Lowell told The New York Sun this evening. "They filed these charges almost three years ago without thinking them through and there doesn't appear to be anybody in the government with either the authority or the courage to admit they made a mistake. The delays are devastating to Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman."

Mr. Lowell's suggestion of disarray in the prosecution team seemed to refer to the fact that a longtime lead prosecutor on the case, Kevin DiGregory, quit last month and took a job with a private law firm.

Under the law, an appeal of the classified-information order is supposed to be expedited, but lawyers said it was unclear how quickly the 4th Circuit would move if an appeal is pursued.

At issue is an order of more than 270 pages that Judge Ellis issued setting out what classified information the defense can use at trial and how classified information can be paraphrased or substituted. The judge cannot force the government to abide by the order, but he has the authority to dismiss the case or to impose some other sanction such as partial dismissal or exclusion of evidence important to the government.

In federal court, appeals are not usually permitted during pretrial proceedings, but the classified-information law, known as Cipa, permits them. Nevertheless, such appeals are rare. One previous Cipa appeal in the 4th Circuit was taken in the case of a former CIA station chief for Costa Rica charged with making false statements in the Iran-Contra probe, Joseph Fernandez. A district judge in Alexandria, Claude Hilton, threw the case out after the government refused to accept his rulings on what classified information was essential to the defense. The 4th Circuit upheld the dismissal.

Judge Ellis indicated today that he plans to hold another hearing next week to discuss how to proceed with the case against Messrs. Rosen and Weissman.


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[url=http://www2.nysun.com/article/73450?page_no=1]A judge has again delayed the trial of two pro-Israel lobbyists after prosecutors indicated they may take an unusual pre-trial appeal of a ruling on what classified information the defense may present to the jury.

At a hearing today in federal court in Alexandria, Va., Judge Thomas Ellis III postponed indefinitely the trial that had been set for April 29 for the two former employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman.[/url]
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OMG! I was kind of joking when I said there would not be a trial on the last date they said. This is becoming a running joke.

April 20th 2006
May 23rd 2006
August 7th 2006
October 7th 2006
June 4th 2007
September 19th 2007
Janurary 16th, 2008!
April 29th 2008!
errt March 20 2008 Trial suspended indefinately!

There you have it 9 date changes and not just an ongoing delay. Who rules your country? Not a peep about this in the MSM. And you have to digg to find it on alternative media. Nothing is more taboo than the lobby.

Guess I dont have to hurry to finish my film now. I was racing against the April 29th date. War by Way of Deception. When iti s out it will be linked on WRH.

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AIPAC TRIAL POSPONED INDEFINITELY!

A judge has again delayed the trial of two pro-Israel lobbyists after prosecutors indicated they may take an unusual pre-trial appeal of a ruling on what classified information the defense may present to the jury.

At a hearing today in federal court in Alexandria, Va., Judge Thomas Ellis III postponed indefinitely the trial that had been set for April 29 for the two former employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman


Messrs. Rosen and Weissman were charged in 2005 with conspiring to receive classified information and pass it on to journalists and foreign diplomats.

Prosecutors told Judge Ellis that they are likely to file a notice of appeal of a lengthy order he issued Wednesday after months of hearings under the Classified Information Protection Act. Lawyers close to the case cautioned that the notice is simply a mechanism to protect the government's right to appeal and does not necessarily mean an appeal will be pursued.

A spokesman for the prosecution, James Rybicki, confirmed the in-courtroom events. He would not comment on whether prosecutors had approval from officials in the Solicitor General's office at the Justice Department to pursue an appeal, which would be directed to the 4th Circuit in Richmond, Va

Mr. Rosen's defense attorney, Abbe Lowell, expressed frustration over the further delay. "It now appears the government does not want to try this case," Mr. Lowell told The New York Sun this evening. "They filed these charges almost three years ago without thinking them through and there doesn't appear to be anybody in the government with either the authority or the courage to admit they made a mistake. The delays are devastating to Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman."

Mr. Lowell's suggestion of disarray in the prosecution team seemed to refer to the fact that a longtime lead prosecutor on the case, Kevin DiGregory, quit last month and took a job with a private law firm.

Under the law, an appeal of the classified-information order is supposed to be expedited, but lawyers said it was unclear how quickly the 4th Circuit would move if an appeal is pursued.

At issue is an order of more than 270 pages that Judge Ellis issued setting out what classified information the defense can use at trial and how classified information can be paraphrased or substituted. The judge cannot force the government to abide by the order, but he has the authority to dismiss the case or to impose some other sanction such as partial dismissal or exclusion of evidence important to the government.

In federal court, appeals are not usually permitted during pretrial proceedings, but the classified-information law, known as Cipa, permits them. Nevertheless, such appeals are rare. One previous Cipa appeal in the 4th Circuit was taken in the case of a former CIA station chief for Costa Rica charged with making false statements in the Iran-Contra probe, Joseph Fernandez. A district judge in Alexandria, Claude Hilton, threw the case out after the government refused to accept his rulings on what classified information was essential to the defense. The 4th Circuit upheld the dismissal.

Judge Ellis indicated today that he plans to hold another hearing next week to discuss how to proceed with the case against Messrs. Rosen and Weissman.


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[url=http://www2.nysun.com/article/73450?page_no=1]A judge has again delayed the trial of two pro-Israel lobbyists after prosecutors indicated they may take an unusual pre-trial appeal of a ruling on what classified information the defense may present to the jury.

At a hearing today in federal court in Alexandria, Va., Judge Thomas Ellis III postponed indefinitely the trial that had been set for April 29 for the two former employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman.[/url]
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OMG! I was kind of joking when I said there would not be a trial on the last date they said. This is becoming a running joke.

April 20th 2006
May 23rd 2006
August 7th 2006
October 7th 2006
June 4th 2007
September 19th 2007
Janurary 16th, 2008!
April 29th 2008!
errt March 20 2008 Trial suspended indefinately!

There you have it 9 date changes and not just an ongoing delay. Who rules your country? Not a peep about this in the MSM. And you have to digg to find it on alternative media. Nothing is more taboo than the lobby.

Guess I dont have to hurry to finish my film now. I was racing against the April 29th date. War by Way of Deception. When iti s out it will be linked on WRH.


Are you honestly surprised by this?

I'm surprised they didn't do this earlier.


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Uhg, not to suprising though.....

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All presidential candidates have been vetted by the lobby, and only pro-Israeli shills are currently running for office. This makes voting a whole lot easier if you are pro-war and wish the American government to keep serving the interests of Israel.

These are the low-level stooges of AIPAC, and even they cannot be touched.

What about Franklin, who had classified information on his person, in his own house and on his home computer, who funneled information to and from the Israeli governmnet? He didn't even get charged with espionage! His associates? The two Israeli assholes charged - or not charged - in this case.


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Not really shocking..

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We shall see....

The BAE Systems companies many of which comprise the head of the MIC apparatus, are signing plea deals with the prosecution.

They're going to be naming lots of names.

Don't be surprised if the trials against BAE Systems and other contractors like Blackwater, name lots of names from AIPAC & other mini AIPACs like the Albanian Affairs Committee.........

AIPAC CAN NOT get away now that the government knows of its operation, the prosecutors will not give up they will bring the clear-cut evidence to other prosecutors at the world court. They can not shut down this disturbing truth. The AIPAC, American Turkish Council, American Albanian Affairs and their "OWNERS" are all going to pay!!!!!!!!!!!

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We shall see....

The BAE Systems companies many of which comprise the head of the MIC apparatus, are signing plea deals with the prosecution.

They're going to be naming lots of names.

Don't be surprised if the trials against BAE Systems and other contractors like Blackwater, name lots of names from AIPAC & other mini AIPACs like the Albanian Affairs Committee.........

AIPAC CAN NOT get away now that the government knows of its operation, the prosecutors will not give up they will bring the clear-cut evidence to other prosecutors at the world court. They can not shut down this disturbing truth. The AIPAC, American Turkish Council, American Albanian Affairs and their "OWNERS" are all going to pay!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'd say that is overly optimistic...just to be nice about it.

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Here is another article on it that I thought was pretty good. It is from December 07 basically predicting that this would happen back then...

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2007/ ... -thwarted/



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December 11, 2007

Up until only a few weeks ago, it was a trial that was almost assured to take place against one of the most powerful and dangerous organizations ever to work against American interests–AIPAC. After years of investigations and hundreds of hours of surveillance and wiretaps, a mountain of evidence the size of Mt. Sinai was gathered against the accused spies Rosen and Weissman and promised a victory for the American people as seemingly easy as pouring water out of a boot with the directions on the heel.

The resulting aftershocks would no doubt have resulted in major political changes taking place over time with regards to America’s cozy love affair with Israel. The resulting fallout ensuing from AIPAC being associated with the dirty business of treason and espionage would have eventually led to it being forced to register as the lobby of a foreign government, which it most certainly is.

More than that though, and the more dangerous as far as AIPAC is concerned, is that a shift in how Americans see the relationship between their own country and a nation that engages in aggressive espionage against them would have taken place. Those running this nest of spies understood this all too well, which is why calls were made, visits were paid and why strings were pulled to see to it that ‘the fix’ was put in place in scuttling this important trial before it even began.

Now, based on recent events, tragically it appears that not only is America going to be denied the justice she deserves, she may not even get her day in court. Besides the several delays granted by presiding Judge TS Ellis since charges were first brought against the 2 accused spies Rosen and Weissman over 3 years ago, now other developments suggest the likelihood of this case going to trial has been seriously compromised. If indeed this turns out to be the case than America’s security stands to be threatened in a manner never before seen in her history.

In an unprecedented move that portends serious problems for the people of the United States, US District Court Judge Ellis has granted several requests on the part of the two accused spies for Israel that bode ill. The first involves forcing current and former high-ranking US government officials to testify, including figures no less in stature than current Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Ex-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, National Security Council chief Stephen Hadley, ex-DoD official Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams, Richard Armitage and others who all played instrumental roles in getting America on board with the current illegal invasion and obliteration of Iraq. The list (basically a who’s who of Zionist Neocons, puppets and puppet masters alike) are individuals up to their ears in the gangsterism of Neocon politics and who have gotten their hands dirty at the behest of the parent company employing the accused spies Rosen and Weissman, Israel.

To all except those who understand the organically-dirty nature of Zionist intrigue, this latest appears to be but a harmless (albeit ridiculous) legal maneuver on the part of the defense, similar in its flavor to an accused bank robber claiming that his string of crimes are part and parcel of his inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. To those however who have had the scales removed from their eyes with regards to the gangsterism of Zionist political maneuvering, this latest represents a subtle yet unequivocal threat on the part of Israel and her supporters, akin to a mugger pointing an unseen gun at his would-be victim from within a coat pocket.

The defense’s argument (in addition to the ridiculous assertion that the present case is an issue of ‘freedom of speech’) is that the top-secret information (some of it classified ‘SCI,’ the highest classification that exists) received by the two accused spies Rosen and Weissman from former Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin (convicted of espionage and sentenced to 13 years) and which they in turn passed along to Israel was ‘nothing out of the ordinary’ and the sort of thing that ‘happens all the time’ between good friends like America and Israel.

Based on everything known about the relationship between Israel and America (and particularly with the administration of George Bush) this may be the one time in its long history of lying that AIPAC is actually telling the truth. The information passed along by Pentagon analyst Franklin is undoubtedly a drop in the bucket compared to what has most likely been passed along to Israel by the previously-named officials now being called to testify.

In other words, Rice and the other administration officials being forced to admit under oath that they themselves passed national defense secrets on to representatives of a foreign government would in the process be incriminating and opening themselves up for possible criminal prosecution, and this is obviously something not likely to occur.

In comparative terms, this move in forcing the Bush administration to testify as to its own role in sharing top secret information with a foreign government is the courtroom version of “The Sampson Option” (Israel’s longstanding military protocol calling for the launch of nuclear weapons against the entire world in the event that her own existence is substantively threatened) a case of “taking the world down with her” in the midst of her own demise. In this instance, what Israel and her high-priced legal team (including the likes of the infamous Abbie Lowell) are saying in effect is ‘Go ahead with the trial and we’ll spill the beans on what the US government knew and what it has done.’ It is no different than Al Capone and his gang threatening to sing like a bird and ‘name names’ concerning corrupt public officials on the Syndicate payroll if the case goes to trial. With arch-Neocon insiders such as Wolfowitz, Abrams, Feith (and a whole slew of others not appearing in this piece) being called to testify, Americans can be sure that all sorts of embarrassing or even explosive material would be divulged and given to the press, including US government foreknowledge of 9/11 and its subsequent cover-up, the lies told to justify the war in Iraq, the Iranian situation and a basketful of similarly-dirty laundry aired for public consideration. And it would not just involve low-level lackeys such as Rice, Rumsfeld, et al, but would most likely go all the way to the top, involving Bush and Cheney. This is to speak nothing of the information Israel’s intelligence service Mossad has acquired on these individuals in terms of their personal lives. Given the fact that the Zionists will not work with anyone except criminals, Americans can be sure that those occupying the highest levels of government have more than a few skeletons in the closet that they prefer remain unknown and unseen. In the event that Rice & Co pull the ‘executive privilege’ ace out of their collective sleeve and for reasons of national security refuse to answer questions (as recently took place before Congress) the defense can claim it was denied valuable, pertinent testimony and thus call for a mistrial, or worse, that the case be thrown out from the bench.

In the meantime, Israel and her supporters (and particularly among deluded Christians Zionists who make up the ‘Amen Corner’ in America) would maintain that–once again–the beleaguered Jewish people ‘were used’ by powerful forces against their own will, and that–once again–the present conundrum is all a product of–surprise, surprise–“anti-Semitism”.

Other troubling developments related to this case include Judge Ellis allowing the defense to interrogate possible jurors for any ‘anti-Jewish’ feelings on their part. Again, while this may seem like a reasonable thing to do in a court case, what has to be considered is that this particular creature has a history of going to ridiculous and irrational lengths when it comes to this topic. Given what passes for ‘anti-Semitism’ in the great mind’s eye resting atop the infamous New World Order pyramid with all its Kabalistic symbolism, anything (including a prospective juror saying that spying for Israel against America constitutes criminal activity) could easily fall within the parameters of ‘Jew hatred’ and as such (in the event they are indeed convicted) be used in claiming victim status for the accused. Any doubts that Judge Ellis has been feeling the heat from all the usual suspects over the enormity of this case should be tempered after considering how he (Ellis) spoke sympathetically to convicted spy Franklin before giving him the federally-mandated minimum sentence, saying “I accept your explanation that you didn’t want to hurt the United States and that you are a loyal American.”

And if all this weren’t bad news enough by itself, there is recent and past history to consider as well. Following in the footsteps of his predecessor Bill Clinton, (who pardoned Mossad agent Marc Rich on his last day in office) there is George Bush and his commuting the sentence of well-known Mossad operative Irving ‘Scooter” Libby’s. With this as a model there is no reason to believe Bush wouldn’t do the same with respect to the two Israeli spies Rosen and Weissman.

Of course, again this is all based on the assumption that the trial will take place at all. Keep in mind that Michael Mukasey, an orthodox Jew who was directly involved in sending back to Israel a whole gaggle of Mossad agents immediately following 9/11 (including the infamous ‘High-Fivers’ seen filming the destruction of the Twin Towers and cheering) has been made head of the US Justice Department. As such, with a simple phone call he can shut down the trial with all the ease involved in ordering a take-out pizza. Needless to say, Mukasey being made the nation’s highest law enforcement officer portends the worst, and particularly with regards to the issue of Israeli espionage against America. Given that he decides who and what will be investigated, it is not hard to imagine FBI counter-espionage teams being pulled off of vital cases involving Israel in order to catch whale poachers in Alaska.

When once speaking about AIPAC, accused spy Steve Rosen compared it to a ‘night flower’ that ‘thrives in the dark and withers in the light of day’. He was not speaking poetically as much as accurately, and he knew it. If Americans knew the extent to which their nation has been plunged into the bloody affairs of Middle East politics, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the gathering storm involving Iran and Syria as a result of this lobby’s influence they would burn down the headquarters and run its members out of the country. Excepting something truly apocalyptic taking place, this trial may be the last chance for Americans to wake up to the danger they face as a result of this lobby’s influence over their nation’s affairs. Anything less than justice being served will result in increased spying on America, both in terms of activity and aggressiveness, increased false flag operations and whatnot. Having no reason to fear the US Justice system, Jonathon Pollards will be crawling out of the wood work like termites boring into the load-bearing beams of the US national security apparatus.

With all this in mind, let all Americans hope and pray that the same omnipotent and merciful God invoked by men such as George Washington still lends an ear to the prayers of good patriots who recognize the danger that their beloved nation faces and that His hand will guide events accordingly.

2007 Mark Glenn

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I will have a wonderful youtube RANT up about this later maybe in two days because I have to go to Kobe now.

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wow.

i had a dim ray of hope that it actually would go through.

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I knew this would happen when they started dragging in big names like Condi Rice. Shame. This needs to be exposed.

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I had a feeling this would eventually happen.

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They must all be spooging in their little circle jerk by now.

What a joke.

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i feel like... we should be doing more.

i just dont know where to begin.

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A judge has again delayed the trial of two pro-Israel lobbyists after prosecutors indicated they may take an unusual pre-trial appeal of a ruling on what classified information the defense may present to the jury.

Oh I get it. Catch 22.

"We want to prosecute but we can't reveal such sensitive information to the jury. And if we can't do that, how can we expect them to convict if we don't give them any evidence? And if we don't give them evidence, what's the point of a trial?"

How about just not letting any Jews on that jury? Would that solve the problem?

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Me either. I don’t know what to do: maybe just keep applying pressure, yes? :(

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This is critical to show the American people Israeli lobbyists pulling the strings behind our government, however none of the so called conservative talk shows wouldnt bring this up. one of them Michael Savage, was reading headlines and as he read the headline about Aipac's trial date set somewhere, he kept going on saying garbage garbage garbage. unbelievable.

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nycsnakeeyes wrote:
This is critical to show the American people Israeli lobbyists pulling the strings behind our government, however none of the so called conservative talk shows wouldnt bring this up. one of them Michael Savage, was reading headlines and as he read the headline about Aipac's trial date set somewhere, he kept going on saying garbage garbage garbage. unbelievable.


totally believable. Michael Savage is a whiny, substance-less little asshat.

But it is total bullshit how much important stuff is glossed over. It just doesn't really shock me anymore. :roll:

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I'm not surprised at all. I never expect to see any truth about Israel come up. The only way is if we have a complete financial collapse and people stop being comfortable and start asking questions. I was not waiting on this trial and will not in the future. Even if ti happens, nothing will come of it.


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