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Zulfiqar
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:17 pm |
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If we don't exert our energy toward 9/11 activism, then i think we're ignoring one of the focal points of the problem.
Iraq and Afghanistan wars happened because of 9/11. It's very probable that a similar scenario will take place to invade Iran. We should be discussing these issues as much, if not more than anything else. False flag terrorism drastically changes public opinion(for those that don't know the truth), and in such a event, all the war protesting isn't gonna do jack, since a sizable number of individuals will be for the war because of the attacks. We need to get this fact through to as many people as possible that governments stage terrorism. If we do that, our efforts in attempting to end wars and stop future ones becomes easier, because the public isn't as disillusioned. How many Americans are for war because they believe those A-rabs brought down the twin towers? Obviously a pretty large number, even to this day. If we can get through to these people and show them that the attacks were actually U.S and Israeli government orchestrated, then their whole perception and outlook on the war changes(at the very least). I think we've won half the battle right there.
We need to completely refute any false pretexts the ruling class uses for endless warfare. If there tricks and deceptions are revealed to most or all of the public, then what can they really do? They can no longer scare Americans, because the latter know what's what. They can't use the fear card, nor the "they attacked us first card". What are they gonna do, tell the truth? "Hey guys, we attack nations because alot of us on the top make loads of money, while you guys pay for it all...........so you guys with us"? It's basically a wrap for them.
Atleast that's how i view 911 activism/research. It's a means to an end. End of the ruling class and their bag of tricks and thus an inevitable end to preemptive warfare for profit.
_________________ IrrigatedPancake wrote: Uhoh, nobody tell the terrorists where to find the building where we store the economy.
Last edited by Zulfiqar on Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
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DetainThis
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Post subject: Respect Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:25 am |
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Joined: Mar 13th, 2007 Posts: 59
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You never cease to outdo yourself, Ry.
Scott and the AntiWar.com editors should be impressed with your multi-faceted lowdown: Iraq, Iran, Russian Oligarchs, Israel, 911... all fact-based, from open sources, using common logic for easy digestion by first-timers and seasoned viewers alike.
What you squeezed into 30+ minutes, it would take me a book to write. I would've been toast.
I think you were right-on when you basically said 911 is not the defining issue insofar as bringing down the Mafias — that it is only a major physical event in the course of the overall rape.
That position was further made credible by how you basically fingered the ones who probably allowed it to happen — then pointing out that, hey, btw, they're also the ones who lied about Iraq, and this, and that. Solid.
People know who's for real. People know whose intentions and means are not just noble, but TRUE. And transparent. They don't have to know your material for years. When contrasted with the likes of the well-poisoners, as you and Scott did on-air, it is instantaneous.
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:59 am |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31720 Location: Japan
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I think so too Detain This. And Scott liked the interview he said its not that we have to worry about looking like kooks we have to worry about the flack we will get for not being kooky enough.
Zulfiqar you are right on that. I mean I have not ignored 911, I got a film out on it and a new one coming very soon which is also half out and a post here with 90 thousand reads plus another 90 thousand in the hub.
I think this site has had good balance. But you go to prison planet for example and they are clearly antiwar but they really dont talk about it at all and they dont talk about Israel either. their big thing is 911, immigration and the NAU. All important. But not a million deaths.
I was also on antiwar radio so I said what would get the audience to listen (I also agree with it) but since that"s what I am supposed to be talking about I had to keep bringing up the war and linking things to the war because that's what the site is about. When I go on with Rivero on WRH I talk more about PNAC and Israel etc. you may have noticed, because the theme there is to explain what really happened.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
ry ryan dawson author politics political antineocon anti-neocon antineocons anti-neocons raising the volume of peace - news the media is paid not to tell you how they blep you
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Phys
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:24 am |
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Joined: Jan 1st, 2007 Posts: 9718 Location: USA
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I think the most important thing about 9/11 is that people understand that the govt lied where you align after that is a moot point imo.
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Dissent
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:03 am |
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Joined: Jun 30th, 2005 Posts: 4199 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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"germanic cults" 
_________________ "Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of ... [Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government." –Thomas Jefferson
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:05 am |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31720 Location: Japan
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yeh i dug that one in there without saying his name.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
ry ryan dawson author politics political antineocon anti-neocon antineocons anti-neocons raising the volume of peace - news the media is paid not to tell you how they blep you
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anti-premillennialist
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:42 am |
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In case anyone didn't know Scott Horton set a deadline for comments on Ry's interview. All comments on the interview must be submitted by Sept 1st (last time a I checked). I'm going to copy and paste my comments on this thread regarding the interview, edit them so they're appropriate for Horton's site and submit them ASAP. If everyone could do the same Ry will probably get asked back sooner than later. Now is when we need to regain the respect a posture we lost because of the 9/11 nuts running around with bull horns yelling at everybody. Hits and comments will go a long way to show we're serious and that we're not backing down from our ideas.
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Ed
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:29 pm |
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Joined: Aug 9th, 2007 Posts: 1951 Location: South Korea
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Phys wrote: I think the most important thing about 9/11 is that people understand that the govt lied where you align after that is a moot point imo.
I agree.
People also need to understand tha 9/11 was used deliberatley as a pre-text for war and the wider war on terror and that it was an excuse because war was already planned! they have used 9/11 and the fear of 'Al-Qaeda' to take their plans further. whether you think 9/11 was cover-up or not, the way they have gone about everything since is just plain sick and wrong. Problem is people don't even know properly what they've been doing since 9/11 never mind the actual event. we simply need new media.
_________________ our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
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anti-premillennialist
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:42 pm |
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"Your comment is awaiting moderation. July 10th, 2008 9:39 pm"
Yep that's right get them up now before Sept 1st and I'm sure Horton will let them through.
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