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GamerS
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:08 am |
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The Palestinian people I know mostly support Hamas, except for the suicide bombings. The don't think they are corrupt, they think Fateh was the corrupt party and Hamas cleaned them out.
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NoApartheid
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:16 am |
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You had best educate them as best as you can GamerS because they are a shill organization and Hamas will use that excuse to screw people over. Remember people can not be this dumb by faith alone it takes years of brainwashing on their weaknesses.
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Muhammad Ali
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:08 pm |
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NoApartheid wrote: Nah they are still funded by Israel. It is done on purpose to cull the resistors both arab and jew from their expanded occupation.
Sure Israel would kill Hamas, right after it had fulfilled its purpose of stirring up tons of terror in the half of the strip. They are not stupid. Dictators often use their sheep before they slaughter them.
No they're already killing them now, but the whole point is that the notion of Hamas stirring up trouble in Gaza on purpose so that Israel has a reason to cause havoc in Gaza is preposterous. The reason being, as I've said before, is that Israel does not want the Gaza strip. The land is of no value to them. They gain nothing by sieging Gaza. But when they siege the west bank they're able to steal more land, and if they're lucky, they can manage to make life so bad for the habitants of the west bank that they'll get up and leave on their own and Israel could have "Judea" and "Samara" all to themselves.
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exquisite
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:48 pm |
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hamas is not a shill organization. Watson wrote in a book Drew J linked to that hamas schools, uni's and mosques were funded by israel, hamas is a hawkish group and israel can only continue their ethnic cleansing agenda if the palestinians are violent. There's no back door deal, just indirect support.
Hamas does stupid things but under the situation they are in we can hardly judge them, we don't know how we would react if we had to live under israels oppressive occupation, Jewish historian Ilan Pappe said that he supports hamas but does not agree with their methods.
You only have to look at the ratio of pals and israelis killed to see who is the real aggressor.
And Israel DOES want gaza, thier appetite for land is insatiable, (didn't netanyahu resign over this issue?), those pigs want greater israel because "god gave it to them". I read in an Israeli paper that is was america who pressured israel into giving gaza back, but the zionist owned media made it look as though israel would exchange land for peace, fat chance  , a jewish writer for antiwar.com wrote that israel deliberately provokes the arabs, why? because it gives them the excuse to colonise more land.
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Muhammad Ali
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:58 pm |
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Thunk wrote: They do want Gaza, it's just the settlements were a liability. Israel wants Gaza as buffer space between itself and Egypt. Preventive war.
I don't think Hamas is a puppet group, Israel does enough horrible things on its own to warrant an armed resistance, Hamas isnt' necessary for Israel to push expansion.
Bro if they wanted a buffer zone against Egypt they would have never given up the Sinai. Israel has Egypt wrapped around their finger. They will never have to fear Egypt unless "Islamists" came to power. Which will probably never happen. It doesn't even matter because Gaza is tiny, and Israel and Egypt already share a very large border with each other. Check out the map.
The reason Israel gave up Gaza is because it had become a political liability. There was a lot of fear that the people of Gaza would start calling for one man one vote. Olmert claimed that was a scary thing to imagine and Israel didn't want that to happen because they thought they'd soon be outnumbered. So rather than risk the Palestinians of Gaza having an equal say in Israeli politics, they decided to just cut it loose. The fact that Gaza has no "religious" significance to Israel made it much easier.
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Muhammad Ali
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:06 pm |
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exquisite wrote: hamas is not a shill organization. Watson wrote in a book Drew J linked to that hamas schools, uni's and mosques were funded by israel, hamas is a hawkish group and israel can only continue their ethnic cleansing agenda if the palestinians are violent. There's no back door deal, just indirect support. Hamas does stupid things but under the situation they are in we can hardly judge them, we don't know how we would react if we had to live under israels oppressive occupation, Jewish historian Ilan Pappe said that he supports hamas but does not agree with their methods. You only have to look at the ratio of pals and israelis killed to see who is the real aggressor. And Israel DOES want gaza, thier appetite for land is insatiable, (didn't netanyahu resign over this issue?), those pigs want greater israel because "god gave it to them". I read in an Israeli paper that is was america who pressured israel into giving gaza back, but the zionist owned media made it look as though israel would exchange land for peace, fat chance  , a jewish writer for antiwar.com wrote that israel deliberately provokes the arabs, why? because it gives them the excuse to colonise more land.
But even when they're peaceful they continue to eat shit because Zionist owns all of the major media and all they have to do is choose not to report on anything when Hamas is peaceful. So really, what can they do ?
Yeah their appetite for land is unsatisfiable, but it's only for land that they believe they have a "claim" too. Which obviously they don't, even following their own logic and justifications for why the land belongs to them. Look where Gaza would be on this map. Even the Israelis admit they don't want it.
You're right about the Israelis provoking the Arabs. In 1967 they kept trying to provoke Syria to attack them so they could steal the Golan heights, which they ended up doing.
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exquisite
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:08 pm |
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why did netanyahu go crazy about gaza?
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Muhammad Ali
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:15 pm |
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exquisite wrote: why did netanyahu go crazy about gaza?
Probably just another Zionist manipulation technique. Make everyone believe that you're really pissed off about what you're giving up like it means a whole lot to you, when in reality you couldn't careless. That way people will point out all of the unbelievable "sacrifices" and "concessions" that Israel has been willing to make while the Arabs continue to want to throw all of the Jews into the sea.
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