Post subject: Let’s DO talk about religion and politics
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:45 am
Super Anti-Neocon
Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31518 Location: Japan
Let’s DO talk about religion and politics. The historical stupidity of War
Political and religious affiliations have become emotional in-groups which have divorced from philosophy entirely, replacing it with rationalization. Party members and religious tenets live in a polarized world of end-all end-alls. Finding out what is just has been replaced with finding out how to justify. Sadly, the driving values held up by our culture which we base the judgment of our government’s performance is economic growth and feel good macho-ism. Humanity has become an inconvenience in the way of the consolidation of power and wealth.
The reason preventable pollution, debt slavery, sanction-induced starvation, military occupation, etc continue is because it is profitable for the corporations who rent the law makers and own the media. War and torture are excused by the lies that they are necessary. It’s vicarious power for the frightened and powerless, so they buy into it.
For many, truth is not based on reality. Truth is based on whatever is psychologically gratifying. Some think that stupidity is to blame. I do not think it stems from a lack of intelligence but rather a flaw in their moral character. The herd is formed by their lowest common insecurities. The herd is lead by the worst of the worst. By breaking down man's self worth through religions and pumping them full of fear people are meaning set up to be controlled. Most the major religions threaten their followers with god's wrath and then set up conditions where by god will spare them from himself so long as they believe in, don't question, and obey of of his rules. In Christianity people can not emotionally get rid of their savior figure because it is what protects them from his father/self. They start the conditioning very young.
Fear makes false hope easier to swallow. Jealousy and resentment hide behind moral indignation. They color themselves as protection, security, safety, and an unavoidable consequence of man's nature. War is stupid. War is a mass of strangers killing other strangers; it’s nationalism at its worst. Let’s let the greedy old men fight each other instead. Chicken hawks, to paraphrase Galloway, will always fight to the last drop of other people's blood. What historically is war?
War: “the inhumane use of force for illegal ends justified by lies told by sociopaths to rationalize the slaughter of the innocent for the private gain of a few” That is war. And it gets the highest of praise especially from the crowd that thinks you live forever and is waiting with anticipation for the world to be destroyed by their angry god.
Modern mechanized warfare is a multi-billion dollar industry. The stock market is a convenient way for politicians to profiteer by passing legislation favorable to the increased demand for the products of the companies they hold stock in or hold collective investments in by their private equity firms. Since the military contractors are paid with tax money, the people subsidized lucrative contracts awarded by the state to the corporations who most funded their political campaigns. An increase in profit margin for the state assisted monopolies comes at the expense of great atrocities to the environment and the most immoral, inhumane acts in history. All this money doesn't even come from taxes, it comes from bank loans so people pay with taxes and inflation and the central bankers grow more powerful with every war. And always the Defense companies are get investments from Churches via propaganda and billions in cash. Kill Convert Collect that is the industry.
This blood for money game is packaged as righteous offensive defense (oxymoron) against terrorism, communism, savages, heretics, barbarians… take your pick. It’s always been about controlling resources to increase the wealth of a few. The future always looks back and says, “How horrible,” while they are presently on the same course under different labels. The war makers fool the public every time because the history of war is dressed up in glory instead of its soul shattering reality.
People fall in love with the tactics and the bravery; they forget it is an affair of grown adults and children solving their problems by repeated murder. Flags determine the teams, not personal quarrels. War is for the most basic animalistic part of the brain. You can live in reason or you can perpetually fight in fear. You decide. You have to decide. That is the other thing. The passivity of the apathetic majority, not only refuses to take action against the event that they know are wrong, they violently react to other people even bringing up the subject. This willful ignorance and selfishness is what deserves ridicule, not the people who DO want to talk about religion and politics. But not in our culture.
How many times will the poor be bamboozled into fighting other poor people for the rich? How many times will the general public blindly support military misadventures because the profiting authorities told them that there was a righteous cause? How many times can a boy cry Wolfowitz? How many times can the war party flip-flop their reasons for a war? How long can the mass media cheerleaders promote each lie before the public starts to ignore what they say?
I'm sorry if I step on anyone's feelings who sincerely thinks that we go to war for noble dreams of freedom etc.. I want you to see the children dying in hospitals in Palestine, caught in the fifth generation of a war where the Israelis have illegal racially segregated "settlements" with full support of the US tax dollars. I want you to look at pictures of Fallujah after the US dropped chemical gasses on it. What of the unmentioned 600,000-655,000 civilians killed in Iraq?
That was a baby. Do you understand how sick this is? How do we make this sink in for Republicrats?
Wipe that smug smile off your face.
Why do people hate us? Because we starve and kill them or profit. The largest genocide in history was the Americas. It's time to stop and think about how our foreign policy effects the rest of the world. Have we really changed so much since Manifest Destiny or did we just create craftier tactics. We are still stealing, still killing, and still masking it in self righteous propaganda deeply tied to religious dogma. Don't be a sheep, don't be a tool. The government doesn't care about you. It is still servicing the aristocrats. Wake up.
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:10 am
Revolutionary Party
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2005 Posts: 474
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The religious by and large don't first think of what is just and then act; they act and then think of how they can justify it
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The herd is formed by their lowest common insecurities
Very well put Ry. And I enjoyed the Peace Flash.
ps I saw this linked at WRH. Nice work. I hope you new readers register as Anti-Neocons.
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:37 am
Capitalism operates on a basis of accumulation by disposession as a way of keeping the continual flow of capital. So war and the imposition of liberalisation upon the world are the neocons answer to the need for continual accumulation. Plus if too much is accumulated and stagnant they can start another war to keep it flowing. That is until there are no more countries left to invade and plunder. A war economy is not something that can go on forever.
It's just a system that is corrupt and unreformable as far as I can see.
Even small time capitalism exploits labour if there are people employed to do someones work for them.
I am starting a business myself and no doubt though I'll try my best to not eploit anyone I'll end up doing so purely because the system demands it unless I totally make all my own produce and work in an even partnership with others or by myself.
From the bottom to the top is exploitation and the taking from someone else in some kind of unfair way. I have no idea what the answer is,certainly not communism anyway.
Ry
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:51 am
Super Anti-Neocon
Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31518 Location: Japan
And good luck on your business. Also you should join this board.
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:54 am
Thank Ry but I am a memeber.it's actually horatio but I've forgotten my password ha.
I'll get another one.
Real socialism never had a chance under Stalin because obviously an authoritarian centralised state doesn't really want workers control very much. Workers control is actually real democracy.
But anyway that's all just theory at the moment and isn't gonna help banish neocons.But I think supporting socialism in places like Venezuela is not a bad idea because at least Hugo is not afraid to speak his mind.
yes I can't see political change in the too near future unless the bastards get hit where it hurts most. But how can we get people to divest from the war machine,it's too damn profitable.
Ry
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:34 pm
Super Anti-Neocon
Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31518 Location: Japan
If you know your email you signed up with I can email you the PW for that name.
Until we break the virtual monoplies on realestate, food, water, and banks we will never be free.
We don't have real communism or captialism. Their are capitalist countries which don't act like the US and Israel.
I don't think the form of government is as much of a problem as the culture. Bad Religion is what makes us so shitty. We have a upbringing of invalidation. See the first Rant You are not what you own.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception (Magic Bunnies) Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:18 am
yes most of europe is not with america on the middle east and are not generally keen on war because they rememeber the horrors of the nazi occupation.
The french surprised everyone with their rejection of the EU but they were just thinking about their own working peoples best interests.
NO to trade liberalisation NO to becoming part of the next US,the US of E.
Ry
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:36 am
Super Anti-Neocon
Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31518 Location: Japan
The leader of Europe and the EU is between France and England. The UK under Blair and co has sold its soul to the US for support in handing them that role so Naturally France and Germany are opposed to them.
I love it. France was once a colonial power no better than the others but they have changed. WW1 and WW2 changed them. They saw the bulk of the violence in both wars.
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