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I disagree. I do not think the Big bang holds up to evidence. My problem is not with tunneling. I dont even see why that is relavent. The Big Bang rest mostly on the Hubble Constant. Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk proposed the big bang theory two years before Hubble made is observations of the Red Shift. However Cosmic Background Radiation reading do not fit with the predictions made form the Red Shift.

-The tunneling was an aside. The big bang does rest most on the Hubble Law: which states that v= HR where H= 17X10 –3 m/(s* light years). However, this equation was made up by real observation of the universe. Such as, Melvin Slipher who reported nebulae moving away from the earth at speeds up to several million miles per hour. Can still and is use to predict locations of other objects in the universe. So yes, works real well. Which all is dependent on the understanding of strong force, weak force, electromagnetic force and Gravitation force. We can also observe these in the form of radiation, such as microwaves. Which leads to the discovery of the observation of the blackbody radiation by Penzias and Wilson. The most clearcut evidence for the Big Bang Theory. The math is a bit long and I don’t know how to post graphs or make one for that matter but a graph would be the easiest way to show the big bang and the functions of the forces.

See this http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0610213

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That is assuming dark energy's state is always less than –1

But that is making a big assumption, supported by little evidence.

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I do believe being is eternal and that it was not created, but that all creations are within it and there is no outside of it.

-philosophy now.

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To just say well everything was in a super heavy point and then it just blew up cooled off and here we are.

-We don’t say that. In fact, what we do say in that in was condense to a point and then no longer could maintain under the given forces listed above, so therefore exploded(for a lack of a better word)

On a philosophical note, I as do many of my science peers look at the big bang as a start of an infinite regression and expansion of the universes. Such as the other end of a black hole, connect to yet another black hole. BTW, black holes will soon to show to be the answer to many things in cosmology.


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Can Dark matter avoid entropy?

-We are still defining dark matter as we aren’t sure what this is yet or how it would or wouldn’t avoid entropy, but a good question.


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We don’t say that. In fact, what we do say in that in was condense to a point and then no longer could maintain under the given forces listed above, so therefore exploded(for a lack of a better word)


we dont say that then you just said it.

You didn't look at the link I gave you did you? You did not address the problems of Red Shift, and you did not give evidence for the big bang you just re-stated what you believe and said there was eveidence.

Big Rip is more sound than big bang. The big bang is not the answer it has already run into huge problems. We do not know enought about 90% of the shit in space that we are even aware of to know we dont know about it. It is too early to setle on a thoery that has known problems and does not fit with evidence and cannot explain things we discovered as recently as 1998.

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We don’t say that. In fact, what we do say in that in was condense to a point and then no longer could maintain under the given forces listed above, so therefore exploded(for a lack of a better word)


we dont say that then you just said it.

You didn't look at the link I gave you did you? You did not address the problems of Red Shift, and you did not give evidence for the big bang you just re-stated what you believe and said there was eveidence.

Big Rip is more sound than big bang. The big bang is not the answer it has already run into huge problems. We do not know enought about 90% of the shit in space that we are even aware of to know we dont know about it. It is too early to setle on a thoery that has known problems and does not fit with evidence and cannot explain things we discovered as recently as 1998.


I did mention the evidence for the big bang. The fact that we can locate object in the universe using this model is evidence.


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what does anyone think about that theory that we are in virtual reality program that is designed in the future coz in the future there would be computers so advanced they could make it happen..(basicly like a matrix)?saw michio kaku talkin about it on tv a while back... :?

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what does anyone think about that theory that we are in virtual reality program that is designed in the future coz in the future there would be computers so advanced they could make it happen..(basicly like a matrix)?saw michio kaku talkin about it on tv a while back... :?


I think that would be pretty cool. Strange but still a neat idea.


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what does anyone think about that theory that we are in virtual reality program that is designed in the future coz in the future there would be computers so advanced they could make it happen..(basicly like a matrix)?saw michio kaku talkin about it on tv a while back... :?


Fascinating but pointless. Because if we were, we still have a great deal of physics discovery before we break the system as it is still clearly beyond our comprehension.

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Back to the big bang... The only problem I have with it is that theories lead to much to the big bang being THE beginning. I really don't jive with that because the entire mental fucking I get from trying to fathom why anything exists forces me into the solace of infinity just to keep from losing my mind. So I'm lead to believe that everything has always existed. I know that big bang + big crunch allows a cycle. It's when people disregard big bang as just another part of the cycle that really gets to me.

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