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People will try to use the unknown parts of space, quatum physics, or any mystery to justify the existence of their very historically false and very specific ideas of god and creationism.

its ont thing to say we dont know everything about X yet it is quite another to leap from that to claiming angels, aliens, gods etc must be real.

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why dont we talk about m-theory?

tell me what it is mann?


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I just want to stae before going further that I do not believe in the Big Bang. I am an athiest but I do not believe in the big bang.

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Ry wrote:
I just want to stae before going further that I do not believe in the Biog Bang. I am an athiest but I do not believe in the big bang.


Well, as a scientist I wouldnt want you to believe anything, rather I would like you to look at the evidence and determine if the logic is sound and valid and the best description of the universe. Having said all that, the big bang does this well. :)

What is it that you dont like?


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The odds of me experiencing Quantum Tunneling

The short answer is very very low. For the long, ugly answer, read on.

The probability of an object tunneling through a barrier as predicted by the Schrodinger equation can be found by the equation

P= e(-2KL)

Where L is the width of the barrier and K is the wave number, which is equal to [sqrt(2m(V-E))]/h

Where m is the mass of the object that we want to tunnel, V is the potential energy of the barrier, E is the energy of the tunneling object (usually kinetic), and h is Plank's Constant divided by 2*pi (approximately 1.06x10-34 J*s)

So let's take a look at all the above, since the exponent of the probability function is proportional to mass and barrier length, we can see that the probability of tunneling decreases exponentially as you increase mass and barrier length.

So, if you were 50kg, and were attempting to tunnel through a 30 joule potential barrier (equivalent to you trying to toss a 1kg object 3 meters in the air) which was 1 m wide, while running at 1m/s, the probability of you tunneling through would be approximately equal to:

P= e(-2((sqrt(100(30-25)))/h)(1)) = e(-4.219x10^35)

... which is so small it is almost zero. So once again, for a human being the answer is: almost impossible. However for objects with extremely small masses (such as electrons) the probability can be quite high.


I m still wondering what it is you dont like about the big bang?


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Only thing I personally don't like about the Big Bang is, I wasn't invited... hold on, are we talking about sex or space here?


We are talking about space and all is invited.


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I just want to stae before going further that I do not believe in the Biog Bang. I am an athiest but I do not believe in the big bang.
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Well, as a scientist I wouldnt want you to believe anything, rather I would like you to look at the evidence and determine if the logic is sound and valid and the best description of the universe. Having said all that, the big bang does this well.


I disagree. I do not think the Big bang holds up to evidence. My problem is not with tunneling. I dont even see why that is relavent. The Big Bang rest mostly on the Hubble Constant. Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk proposed the big bang theory two years before Hubble made is observations of the Red Shift. However Cosmic Background Radiation reading do not fit with the predictions made form the Red Shift.

See this http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0610213

Let me know what you think of that. To me the mth fits and it is such a more simple solution to a huge problem than what others have tried.

That is assuming dark energy's state is always less than -1
However given that, this fits best with evidence and does not run into the same problems as the big bang. Also the big biang discribes the start of time not the start of being itself as the allness that blew up would have to be eternal. I do believe being is eternal and that it was nbot created, but that all creations are within it and there is no ouside of it. The bang was not the beginning and it really has no explanitory power, all predictions based off of it are wrong. It is science for unscientific people. To just say well everything was in a super hevy point and then it just blew up cooled off and here we are.

Can Dark matter avoid entropy? Thats the million dollar question and that is the stuff we should be collecting more data on.

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I disagree. I do not think the Big bang holds up to evidence. My problem is not with tunneling. I dont even see why that is relavent. The Big Bang rest mostly on the Hubble Constant. Georges Lemaître a Catholic monk proposed the big bang theory two years before Hubble made is observations of the Red Shift. However Cosmic Background Radiation reading do not fit with the predictions made form the Red Shift.

-The tunneling was an aside. The big bang does rest most on the Hubble Law: which states that v= HR where H= 17X10 –3 m/(s* light years). However, this equation was made up by real observation of the universe. Such as, Melvin Slipher who reported nebulae moving away from the earth at speeds up to several million miles per hour. Can still and is use to predict locations of other objects in the universe. So yes, works real well. Which all is dependent on the understanding of strong force, weak force, electromagnetic force and Gravitation force. We can also observe these in the form of radiation, such as microwaves. Which leads to the discovery of the observation of the blackbody radiation by Penzias and Wilson. The most clearcut evidence for the Big Bang Theory. The math is a bit long and I don’t know how to post graphs or make one for that matter but a graph would be the easiest way to show the big bang and the functions of the forces.

See this http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0610213

interesting

That is assuming dark energy's state is always less than –1

But that is making a big assumption, supported by little evidence.

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I do believe being is eternal and that it was not created, but that all creations are within it and there is no outside of it.

-philosophy now.

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To just say well everything was in a super heavy point and then it just blew up cooled off and here we are.

-We don’t say that. In fact, what we do say in that in was condense to a point and then no longer could maintain under the given forces listed above, so therefore exploded(for a lack of a better word)

On a philosophical note, I as do many of my science peers look at the big bang as a start of an infinite regression and expansion of the universes. Such as the other end of a black hole, connect to yet another black hole. BTW, black holes will soon to show to be the answer to many things in cosmology.


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Can Dark matter avoid entropy?

-We are still defining dark matter as we aren’t sure what this is yet or how it would or wouldn’t avoid entropy, but a good question.


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I like to stay in reality.


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