Anti-Neocons

i'm not really going to get involved with the above discussion yet, i woud like to see how things work around here first...

myself, i am what i guess you would call a lunatic. People have called me Anarchic, Communist, and a left-wing nut. I believe that all people are divine, and that one should be judged only on what one makes of themself. I think that if humanity was left to sort itself out, after the initial freak out of 30-40 years, those who were left would come up with some frighteningly sophisticated government, but that it wouldn't be worth the lives cost. I believe that a democracy is supposed to be what the majority of people want, no matter what. I think that the American government has eaten itself with the aid of Christianity. And I think it needs to stop.

i very much agree with his point of view.

well I know a lot of socialist who eat out of trash cans and they basically want ice cream in the mail, that is they think people should get something for nothing.

The value of an individual, while not only is it a subjective definition, is near impossible to track even if you get an aggreed-upon standard for measuring someone's value. Seriously, if you consider it a value or a virtue to be good at doing back flips then a lot of us are highly invaluable beings. But even regardless of what the agreed-upon standard is that determines someone's value, the value is at least going to be measured in the realm of how we can augment our environment to achieve a desired outcome. Think about how many BILLIONS of possibilities are involved in that measurement. Augmenting your environment can be as easy as sneezing or as hard as lifting a car over your head. Value (and for that matter equality of individuals measured by that value) is so subjective and impossible to measure that it's best to just find a way in which everyone can at least survive.

Trying to equal people out's ridiculous. If you've got a government, it's crucial that you take away systems that specifically devalue certain demographics, but you can't build up a huge government in effort to equal people out. It's like building a mansion for some ants even though they'd be more content in the pile of dirt you paved over to make the mansion.

as a first step, i would like to know what you guys think about a confederacy vs a federation. It seems to me like de-centralization is a step away from large government which no one here is a fan of and yet a conferderation does not have the trappings of anarchy human nature wise or pramatically either.

we have a low standard of freedom of expression. And freedom of the press is a joke, our media is totally controlled.

In most european countries no one is going to freak out if a breast is shown on TV but in the US the xtians would have a coniption fit about it.

you can't talk about religion here, and you and can't talk about politics unless you are inside the right-left paradigm.

You have the right to free speech in so far as you can pay for it. Say too much and youget censored.

What is good about Canada and other nations is the lack of an overwelming military industrial bureuxcarcy. the discrepancy of wealth is larger in the US than even India, in fact it is the highest in the world.

We are the only nation with military bases all over the world. We are an empire.

I don't know that "jealousy" is the motive.... I'm not a socialist in the traditional sense but speaking for myself, I find it sickening to see the executive aristocracy in this country flitting around in outfits that cost enough to feed entire Third World families for a year.

A point commonly missed in these discussions is the fact that these people's exhorbitant wealth doesn't appear from nowhere. Traditionally, the workers produce the wealth that makes the rich rich. The West has merely outsourced much of its proletariat to the Third World. The staggering luxury enjoyed by the Western nations is made possible by the abject poverty of most of the world. You can't have one without the other...for us to be rich, they must be poor. If anybody thinks that's fair, I hope their children are starving peasants someday.