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Fat Pat
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:12 pm |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 551 Location: Genoa City (Vile Valley), WI
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OH I'm definitely not saying that's all of them, don't get me wrong. I understand they come in as many different stripes as any other political philosophy. I'm just saying The Daily Show has a good point on the tendency of over zealous Libertarians who put far too much emphasis on principle.
But yeah, Daily Show when they are trying to make a serious political point are quite Liberal. Just straight up, too. Like totally typical Democrat (not too moderate, not too leftist). But that's okay. As far as journalism goes and them holding people accountable for things they do, they are better than pretty much the rest of cable. I watch it religiously and not really because I want to get the day's news either. It's not about the news. It's about the mockery, the ridicule, and witty points they make concerning power. Sure, they're there for laughs, but even the court jesters have truth behind their jokes about the king, ya know? I'd rather listen to the jestures than the trumpets of war.
_________________ Render unto Cesar that which he has rendered unto you - hardship, imprisonment, torture, and eventual death. Fuck Cesar. Let him be hanged.
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brimofinsanity
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:00 am |
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Joined: Jul 5th, 2005 Posts: 77 Location: SF, CA
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hate edge wrote: How about these Libertarians: www.nazi.org? 
i was browsing through the website in the part about "Why Race?".... i just want to know how anybody can take those people seriously when they use the word "chink" in their platform... HA
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Iconoclast
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:47 pm |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 1171
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brimofinsanity wrote: hate edge wrote: How about these Libertarians: www.nazi.org?  i was browsing through the website in the part about "Why Race?".... i just want to know how anybody can take those people seriously when they use the word "chink" in their platform... HA
"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
Chink Chink (chi^ngk), n. OE. chine, AS. cimacne
fissure, chink, fr. cimacnan to gape; akin to Goth. Keinan
to sprout, G. keimen. Cf. Chit.
A small cleft, rent, or fissure, of greater length than
breadth; a gap or crack; as, the chinks of a wall.
1913 Webster
_________________ "When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him." ~ Jonathan Swift
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brimofinsanity
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:03 pm |
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Joined: Jul 5th, 2005 Posts: 77 Location: SF, CA
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apparently i was pretty tired when i read it and misunderstood. duhhhhhh
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Nomad
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:11 pm |
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Joined: Sep 9th, 2005 Posts: 96 Location: Manhattan
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I'm definitely not a Libertarian. I think unregulated capitalism is a disaster and I honestly think the Libertarians in general are going to be a problem in the future. If the American general public ever realizes the current two-party hegemony is a bad thing and starts looking for new ideas the Greens and Libertarians will be first to bat. As somebody who prefers the Greens, I think we should watch out for the Libertarians now.
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html
"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves" --Kim Stanley Robinson
_________________ planet over property community over competition well-being over wealth cooperation over control

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Fat Pat
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:23 pm |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 551 Location: Genoa City (Vile Valley), WI
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I think unregulated capitalism is a disaster
What an interesting statement. I wonder if I'll ever get the chance to see it. Did you see it in a movie or something? Read it in a book?
_________________ Render unto Cesar that which he has rendered unto you - hardship, imprisonment, torture, and eventual death. Fuck Cesar. Let him be hanged.
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Nomad
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:33 pm |
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Joined: Sep 9th, 2005 Posts: 96 Location: Manhattan
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Fat Pat wrote: I think unregulated capitalism is a disaster
What an interesting statement. I wonder if I'll ever get the chance to see it. Did you see it in a movie or something? Read it in a book?
Entirely unregulated? No, never seen it. Just extrapolating from the varies degrees of regulation I have seen. That said, I don't think we'll ever see capitalism in the form Libertarians believe in because, given free reign, individuals or groups who amass enough of the community's wealth will use it to ensure that they continue to do so--even at the cost of those liberties the Libertarians treasure. A corporation, for example, will do whatever it can (and given the ubiquity of corporate money in politics, that's a lot) to maximize returns to its shareholders, including--if neccesary--strengthening the ability of its parent State to control its consumers in such a way as to increase their consumption.
_________________ planet over property community over competition well-being over wealth cooperation over control

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brimofinsanity
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:22 pm |
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Joined: Jul 5th, 2005 Posts: 77 Location: SF, CA
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I completely agree with neoclassical economic theory. free, unregulated, untampered markets would be most efficient and overall the best way to run an economy, provided that PERFECT COMPETITION is achieved and upheld. THIS is where the problem lies with economic libertarianism.... perfect competition is unacheivable. if it were possible to acheive perfect competition in all markets and industries, that is, infinite (or at least a shitload) buyers and sellers, barrier free movement into and out of different industries, and unbranded and homogeneous products, AND if it were possible for anybody in society to quickly obtain perfect information about prices and qualities of products, ONLY THEN would unregulated laissez-faire capitalism prove worthy.
_________________ -Scott
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