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The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moved their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. Virginian-Pilot, 9/4/2001

Interesting isn't it?

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The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moved their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. Virginian-Pilot, 9/4/2001

Interesting isn't it?


Very Interesting... also note.

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One year later, a Zim ship is impounded while attempting to ship Israeli military equipment to Iran; it is speculated that this is done with the knowledge of Israel. [Agence France-Presse, 3/29/2002]


Why does that company sound so familiar?? Are they involved in Logistics in Iraq?

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the bottom of the first 911 post was cut off after adding videos that is why it says [color=cyan it used to read

New Information Press caught in a huge lie about another Hijacker. Ziad Al Jarrah was recently (October 2006) shown in a video tape dated 2000-2001 with a full beard yet we have pictures of him all through out the same year clean shaven

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This was my friend's response to what I told him about your paper. It's a bunch of bullshit:

"first of all, i went to the anti-neocon website and i read the post on the "zionist theory". i find it funny that you criticize people who dont think for themselves while you repeat word-for-word exactly what the original poster wrote. very hypocritical, just like him. he criticizes the media and the gov't for reporting selective information and events while he only presents bits and pieces of events and supposed "evidence". none of his arguments make any coherent sense. the only thing that the website has convinced me of is that its sole purpose is to spread confusion and feed off of ignorance. all it does is flood the reader with random bits of evidence, names, events, places, and unwarranted accusations. he also doesn't actually prove or explain any of his arguments. all he says is "i will prove this later on". he goes off on random tangents and changes subjects just when he should be explaining his reasoning. his arguments are very poorly constructed and not logical. all it sounds like is poorly disguised anti-semitism because all of his arguments end up accusing the evil "zionists" or israel of being evil and anyone who suppports them. that website is 100% propaganda. none of it is substantiated and any evidence provided is obscure and one-sided. anyone can show pictures of people who were blown up and shot to death. images like that are on both sides and don't mean jack shit when you are trying to make an effective argument. this guy is a bum. he doesn't have a shred of credibility. he is taking advantage of anyone who is desperate to point fingers at either the government or the jews. this is how the holocaust started, by pointing fingers and blaming judaism.

the whole foundation of the zionist theory is flawed. he claims that the gov't censors the media so that nothing that israel does is reported to us. that is BS. i hear bad reports from both sides. and the fact that israel has nukes is no secret, nor is the military occupation in palestine. this stuff has been going on for almost 50 years. even if i granted him that the media keeps quiet about irael's doings, the rest of his argument doesn't make sense. if iraq was such a huge threat to israel and we make so much money off of their military, it would have made a hell of a lot more sense and would have been 10x more profitable for israel to invade iraq, not us. israel has been in constant war with various nations for 50 years, they have one of the best militaries on earth and they could have easily wiped iraq off the face of the earth much faster than we could have. they are much less bogged down with bureaucracy and they could have ended the war a long time ago. we also would have made a killing off of selling them military equipment and weapons. this guy also does not give specifics on how the zionist theory proves that 9/11 was a conspiracy. again, a flood of too much incomplete information can fool a lot of ignorant people and make them feel informed. like i said, thats the purpose of this website. there is no evidence against this theory because there is no evidence to begin with! it can be shot down with pure reasoning and logic. none of it adds up. throwing out arbitrary numbers and listing atrocities doesnt make an argument, you should know that. explanation, links, coherency, credibility, sources, and sound reasoning are essential; pretty much everything that this guy lacks. it is also extremely ambiguous. contradictions and hipocrasy are everywhere on this site.
i haven't seen a shred of evidence proving that all media branches are owned by military corporations. that is extremely presumptuous. and just randomly saying that we used nuclear weapons in the gulf war doesn't mean shit to me. define nuclear weapons. what kind, when, where, why, what magnitude, how? you can't have an intelligent conversation without defining key terms, and not just deontatively. the specifics that i listed above are essesential. send me the link to the video of mk-77 use. i want to see it. name five countries that haven't violated a UN resolution or ban. give one example of when the U.N. has actually done something about it. its not surprising that a weapon like this would be used. the U.N. is a wasteful body. it is completely superficial and powerless. very few doctrines passed by the U.N. are enforceable. does it really surprise you that this happened? we own the fucking U.N. the U.N. doesn't matter. and actually, the gitmo and abu graib controversies do threaten the war effort. unpopular wars are very difficult to wage, especially when the gov't isn't nearly as powerful as you think. these controversies have made the war unpopular not only here at home, but in iraq, england, and countless other allied and enemy nations. you cant say that they dont matter.
the guy who wrote that post on the website is either very smart, or very stupid. if he is smart, then he has accomplished exactly what he has set out to do: fool the masses with fancy words and millions of bits of information and pointed the blame to zionism and its supporters. if he is stupid, then he doesn't know how to make a coherent argument and has absolutely no credibility and is just another pathetic loser living in his parents basement, probably unemployed, and desperate for attention. he probably thinks that anarchy is "cool" and doesn't know jack shit about the real world. there's my response, lets hear yours."

I pretty much got my answer covered but any help would be greatly appriciated in answering this, especially if it came from you Ry.


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Ry any response?


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Ry wrote:
The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moved their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. Virginian-Pilot, 9/4/2001

Interesting isn't it?


VERY INTERESTING! :shock:

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he criticizes the media and the gov't for reporting selective information and events while he only presents bits and pieces of events and supposed "evidence". none of his arguments make any coherent sense.



Does he have an example? "Coherent sense" is obviously a statement stating his opinion. *He* is "spreading confusion and feeding off of ignorance" by not posting examples and explaining his argument against them. This is also known as "not having a valid argument and being a closed minded fool".

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the only thing that the website has convinced me of is that its sole purpose is to spread confusion and feed off of ignorance. all it does is flood the reader with random bits of evidence, names, events, places, and unwarranted accusations. he also doesn't actually prove or explain any of his arguments.


Redundant. Provide examples.

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all he says is "i will prove this later on".


Here he is lying to continue his closed minded approach.

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he goes off on random tangents and changes subjects just when he should be explaining his reasoning. his arguments are very poorly constructed and not logical.


Redundant. Provide examples.


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all it sounds like is poorly disguised anti-semitism because all of his arguments end up accusing the evil "zionists" or israel of being evil and anyone who suppports them.


He might have a learning disorder. Ryan, I feel, has made it clear that he is not attacking the people of Israel. He is talking about the people who are using Israel. Your friend is either extremely ignorant, closed minded, and/or intentionally being difficult.

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that website is 100% propaganda. none of it is substantiated and any evidence provided is obscure and one-sided.


Redundant. Seriously, how many times does this guy need to repeat himself? Talk about fucking propaganda, if you say it 3 times and it doesn't brainwash someone, try maybe 14 or so more times?

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anyone can show pictures of people who were blown up and shot to death. images like that are on both sides and don't mean jack shit when you are trying to make an effective argument.


Example?

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this guy is a bum. he doesn't have a shred of credibility. he is taking advantage of anyone who is desperate to point fingers at either the government or the jews. this is how the holocaust started, by pointing fingers and blaming judaism.


He is also ignorant of history. That isn't how the holocaust started. That isn't even what we are are taught in public schools.

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the whole foundation of the zionist theory is flawed. he claims that the gov't censors the media so that nothing that israel does is reported to us.


Can he show a US big media example that shows that there is an Israeli occupation of palestine? Better yet, does he or does he not believe there is an Israeli occupation of palestine? Because if all he has to say is "no I don't" the he could basically be parroting what the US big media has taught him. See how nice and circular that is?

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that is BS. i hear bad reports from both sides. and the fact that israel has nukes is no secret, nor is the military occupation in palestine. this stuff has been going on for almost 50 years.


Oh well great then. Would you mind showing some examples?

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even if i granted him that the media keeps quiet about irael's doings, the rest of his argument doesn't make sense. if iraq was such a huge threat to israel and we make so much money off of their military,


Who makes money off whose military?

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they have one of the best militaries on earth and they could have easily wiped iraq off the face of the earth much faster than we could have.


Ah. Now he sounds like the normal Israel fanboys that I run into talking about how tough the Israelis are and how great and worthy they are. Dumb bastard.

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they are much less bogged down with bureaucracy and they could have ended the war a long time ago.


Need detail on this as it is basically an opinionated assumption.


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we also would have made a killing off of selling them military equipment and weapons.


Yes we could make a killing off of such a thing, but instead we not only give them military equipment and weapons straight out, but we also give them the money to buy military equipment and weapons.

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this guy also does not give specifics on how the zionist theory proves that 9/11 was a conspiracy.


This makes absolutely zero sense. What in the fuck is he talking about? This is the kind of utter nonsense that someone says when they are very closed minded.

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again, a flood of too much incomplete information can fool a lot of ignorant people and make them feel informed. like i said, thats the purpose of this website. there is no evidence against this theory because there is no evidence to begin with!


LOL. At least he's persistent in his redundancies.


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it can be shot down with pure reasoning and logic.


Let's hear it.

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none of it adds up. throwing out arbitrary numbers and listing atrocities doesnt make an argument,


Eww. Example please? (cough cough redundancy)

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you should know that. explanation, links, coherency, credibility, sources, and sound reasoning are essential; pretty much everything that this guy lacks.


Can he give an example of where this is not being done?

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it is also extremely ambiguous. contradictions and hipocrasy are everywhere on this site.


Example?


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i haven't seen a shred of evidence proving that all media branches are owned by military corporations.


False and misleading. Who said that the media branches are owned by military corporations? Again, can he possibly give an example of another one of his false accusations?

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that is extremely presumptuous. and just randomly saying that we used nuclear weapons in the gulf war doesn't mean shit to me. define nuclear weapons. what kind, when, where, why, what magnitude, how?


I did. DU is a nuclear weapon. It results in nuclear fallout. It was used pretty much all over Iraq. This isn't in the mainstream media but it is in random newspapers and smaller media outlets.

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you can't have an intelligent conversation without defining key terms, and not just


Practice what you preach retard.

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deontatively


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the specifics that i listed above are essesential. send me the link to the video of mk-77 use.


Lol can he send me some videos that disproves everything in Ryan's articles? Not to mention that proves everything the MSM says?

Here is an article about the MK77
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politi ... 226119.ece

But oh no it's not from CCN.com so it's got to be a lie right?

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i want to see it. name five countries that haven't violated a UN resolution or ban.


I don't thnk it's necessary for me to go google 5 countries who haven't violated the UN. That's fine if you want to say the UN is useless. I don't like the UN either. But when it comes time to argue about Iraq or some other country you better not turn the fuck around and start saying "but but Iraq violated a UN resolution!!!!" cause I'm really getting tired of you fucking morons doing this.

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give one example of when the U.N. has actually done something about it.


LOL. The UN doesn't do anything to countries for *not* violating UN resolutions.

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the gitmo and abu graib controversies do threaten the war effort. unpopular wars are very difficult to wage, especially when the gov't isn't nearly as powerful as you think. these controversies have made the war unpopular not only here at home, but in iraq, england, and countless other allied and enemy nations. you cant say that they dont matter.


What is your point? Who on this site said "they dont matter". And what exactly are you talking about not mattering?

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fool the masses with fancy words and millions of bits of information and pointed the blame to zionism and its supporters.


I'm always entertained when someone explains investigation this way. I still to this day haven't had a chance to use this type of response in court to see if the judge will say "damn you're right, you're completely innocent, this was all just one big conspiracy theory waged against you!"

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if he is stupid, then he doesn't know how to make a coherent argument and has absolutely no credibility and is just another pathetic loser living in his parents basement, probably unemployed, and desperate for attention. he probably thinks that anarchy is "cool" and doesn't know jack shit about the real world. there's my response, lets hear yours."


Lol. could it be anymore clear what is wrong with this person? He's closed minded and hateful. He doesn't like what he's reading so he's name calling and blathering on about bullshit. He pounds the same shit over and over but never gives an example of what he is bullshitting about.

As soon as someone starts throwing that "living in a basement in his parents house bullshit" it's pretty clear that they are an ignorant fool.

Sometimes you have to repeat the propaganda for it to really sink in.


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all it sounds like is poorly disguised anti-semitism because all of his arguments end up accusing the evil "zionists" or israel of being evil and anyone who suppports them.


Anti-Semitism is when a person is prejudice towards Jews. Israel is not the Jews. Israel is a nation and Zionism is aploitical philosophy which I have said over and over is most not jewish and is financed by Christian churches.

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that is BS. i hear bad reports from both sides. and the fact that israel has nukes is no secret, nor is the military occupation in palestine. this stuff has been going on for almost 50 years.


What crap HA HA HA. Israel's own PM admitted they have nukes. And for this idiot to deny that there is an occupation is mind blowing.

By the way thre govertnment does not run the Media, the MIC does and they also run the government.

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