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 Post subject: Requesting Mutual Respect
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:00 am 
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I am not here often, but i am very turned off by the Anti-religion & more specifically anti-Islamic rants & bias. I call for mutual respect. You all are Pro-Palestinian. You need to realize that ISLAM is the very motiviatoin for the Palestinian Resistance. ISLAM is whats gets the Palestinian people going, it's why they wake up everyday hoping & fighting for liberation.

So don't disrespect the very motivation of the oppressed people whom you support. I don't care much if anyone embraces Islam. We all are opiniated people, but we can do that without disrespecting anyone. If you are an Athiest, fine, no problem, but be an Athiest without being Anti-Islam.

How do you expect Muslims to support you if you disrespect the belief they hold dear.

I reiterate, i Request & call for mutual respect

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Personally, I like Islam very much just as I dislike musl!ms very much.

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 Post subject: Re: Requesting Mutual Respect
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:42 pm 
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I am not here often, but i am very turned off by the Anti-religion & more specifically anti-Islamic rants & bias. I call for mutual respect. You all are Pro-Palestinian. You need to realize that ISLAM is the very motiviatoin for the Palestinian Resistance. ISLAM is whats gets the Palestinian people going, it's why they wake up everyday hoping & fighting for liberation.

So don't disrespect the very motivation of the oppressed people whom you support. I don't care much if anyone embraces Islam. We all are opiniated people, but we can do that without disrespecting anyone. If you are an Athiest, fine, no problem, but be an Athiest without being Anti-Islam.

How do you expect Muslims to support you if you disrespect the belief they hold dear.

I reiterate, i Request & call for mutual respect

Peace be unto you.


No one here really is Anti-Islamic, I remember the last time someone tried to rail on Islam (Mila) I debated her and owned her and discovered that the Athiests here are generally open minded.

Most of the anti-religion rants here are aimed towards Christianity and Judaism and they usually have plenty of reason backing them up. When I talk about Islam occasionally Ry will provoke an argument but it doesn't last at all. And there usually is respect towards Muslims unless someone starts name calling and acting like an idiot.

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The other problem is that there are people that care here, but the majority of Americans just don't care or do but don't get active enough about it. The best way to make people care is to spread the message of Islam (which naturally changes whole characters) and these people will eventually gain a completely new insight in life and actually care about the problems in this world.

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 Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:10 am 
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Islam is not saving Palestine. Its a comforting false hope. Palestine is not being saved it is getting its but kicked. What is going to save Palestine is people like us opposing Christian zionism in America.

Im not anti-Xreligion
I do not believe in religion but that doesnt make me against them. I dont believe in Santa Claus either but I am not against him.

What I am against is how religions are used to set up tax free multi-billion dollar institutions which play in the politics of war. I also find myself defending Muslims, Jews, and sometimes Christians and trying to show people the difference between the (silly) faiths and politics. Zionism is apolitical ideology loosely justified by a wacky version of an already wacky religion. Some "Islamic" groups are the same way, they are not THE religion they are a political ideology with some cult following.

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Ry wrote:
Islam is not saving Palestine. Its a comforting false hope. Palestine is not being saved it is getting its but kicked. What is going to save Palestine is people like us opposing Christian zionism in America.


You have the right to believe what you want, but I believe that won't happen.

I'm sorry Ry but i've talked to many people here and the fact is many people even if they know they're wrong just don't care or don't seem to have the drive to get active about it. We are a minority here and we're not going to be able to do much, especialliy since our numbers are dwindling and the education in population for the next generation is going down the toilet. Everyone is joining the military and the media controls thier lives. They don't mind the fact that thier country sends 5.8 billion dollars to a country that funds a terrible occupation because Palestinians are just a bunch of foriegn towelheads to them. These are the same people that don't give a f*ck about anything else that matters either, thier environement, pollution, diseases, the future...

One good example of Islam benefitting Palestine in recent light is the war with Hezbollah between Israel. Hezbollah which is one of the few true Islamic groups out there, a small resistance, wipes the floor with Israel. What does this lead to?

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/v ... highlight=

And MORE will join the ranks until the mighty State rises again and Palestine will win.

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Im not anti-Xreligion
I do not believe in religion but that doesnt make me against them. I dont believe in Santa Claus either but I am not against him.

What I am against is how religions are used to set up tax free multi-billion dollar institutions which play in the politics of war. I also find myself defending Muslims, Jews, and sometimes Christians and trying to show people the difference between the (silly) faiths and politics. Zionism is apolitical ideology loosely justified by a wacky version of an already wacky religion. Some "Islamic" groups are the same way, they are not THE religion they are a political ideology with some following.


Yes, "Islamic" groups. Groups like Hamas, the Janjaweed, and Fatah openly violate Islamic laws and get dwindling support. The only reason Palestinians support Fatah or Hamas is because there's no one else to turn to...

But Hezbollah? Which follows every Islamic law right and conducts war like it's supposed to according to Islam, immediately gets Palestinain support. That's why Israel made it legal to kill any Hezbollah supporting rock thrower, they are deeply afraid. They know Islam presents a big danger to the existence of not only Israel, but western domintion in these Muslim areas.

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No one here really is Anti-Islamic, I remember the last time someone tried to rail on Islam (Mila) I debated her and owned her and discovered that the Athiests here are generally open minded.

Most of the anti-religion rants here are aimed towards Christianity and Judaism and they usually have plenty of reason backing them up. When I talk about Islam occasionally Ry will provoke an argument but it doesn't last at all

dude Mila was owning you. And the reason our arguements dont last long is because nothing I say is ever addressed. I just hear stuff liek oh I need to get som eClerics in here and I a;ways say go ahead but it never happens.

The reason we pick on Christianity and Judaism so much is because they are the problem. Islam is so small and marginal in the US that it doesn't even matter.

And I will say that with a ham sandwich in one hand and a beer in the other. Islam has its problems. It is openly sexist, it has the same kind of illogical poitnless creation stories as other religions and taboos on food and sex, an obession with virginity and so on, it is bascially Christianity minus one savior and plus one prophet. In fact Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Qurran. So when we pick on Judaism and Christianity take that as a slap on Isam after all Islam is just a spin off of a spin off from Judaism, they even use many of the same characters and stories.

I dont pick on Islam for the same reason I dont pick on Wicca, there is no point, they dont even matter in America. Hell there are more Atheists in the US than Muslims. They are not finacing the Zionists. In fact they finance the oposition thats why I like Muslims. But if you want to talk about theology instead of politics then I rank the religoin slightly above xtianity and a little below mother goose stories.

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Ry wrote:
dude Mila was owning you. And the reason our arguements dont last long is because nothing I say is ever addressed. I just hear stuff liek oh I need to get som eClerics in here and I a;ways say go ahead but it never happens.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/v ... c&start=45

Read through it again. I owned the SHIT out of Mila, she would say things like...

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And why the bleep are you speaking about ancient history?


It's mind boggling how I was able to make her say that, and you know exactly how important history is. Oh and she weasn't talking about "ancient" history she was adressing my belief in a good strong Islamic State and how the last one (Ottomans) fell during WWI and how countries were affected by the British and French and she came out with this crap. I also answered all her questions and countered them and she never answered back all while debating like 3 other Athiests at the same time. In the end all she could say was...

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I am going to answer you as soon as my exams are over. Just know you have indeed tickled my funny bone. Perhaps you think you are unique. But to me you are another religious individual, believing in God in spite of everything because you need something to believe in. I am positive if you were born a Christian you would be a strong Christian. Same with any other religion. Try existing without God’s “help” for a bit. Go out and do something good because it is the right thing to do, not because the Quran commands you. And again, I will get back to you as soon as I can.


Those exams must be taking pretty long don't you think?:D

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The reason we pick on Christianity and Judaism so much is because they are the problem. Islam is so small and marginal in the US that it doesn't even matter.


Islam is what's going to save Palestine. :D

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And I will say that with a ham sandwich in one hand and a beer in the other. Islam has its problems. It is openly ist, it has the same kind of illogical poitnless creation stories as other religions and taboos on food and , an obession with virginity and so on, it is bascially Christianity minus one savior and plus one prophet. In fact Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Qurran. So when we pick on Judaism and Christianity take that as a slap on Isam after all Islam is just a spin off of a spin off from Judaism, they even use many of the same characters and stories.
And i will say with my Quran in my hand that drinking should be abolished, it does no good for you.

I also say the Quran is not sexist it is made to seem like it but when you look at what it teaches about women you will see that independence for woman is far from what America teaches you. You want to know what I think? I think taking advantage of women by treating them like sex objects and having a society that basically says that you can't be free until you expose your body (which many woman would rather not initially do) is an openly sexist thing to do.

Islam's message was the original one, it is not a spinoff of Judaism and Christinaity. They were the original right religions but they were eventually corrupted by human perversion, greed, and war mongering. They were eventually just used as tools to control masses of people to wage war against other people by thier rulers. That's why the crusaders came down to palestine and massacred OTHER christians even though that's unchristian, the Pope just wanted to control Jerusalem.
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I dont pick on Islam for the same reason I dont pick on , there is no point, they dont even matter in America. Hell there are more Atheists in the US than Muslims. They are not finacing the Zionists. In fact they finance the oposition thats why I like Muslims. But if you want to talk about theology instead of politics then I rank the religoin slightly above xtianity and a little below mother goose stories.

It's irnoic that you say that because most of those Athiests hate Muslims and openly blame us for 9/11 and look into the conspiracies, believe them, but continue to believe disinfo that relates Islam to terrorism. This is why it's so easy to make them believe that there is "two-sides" to the Palestine conflict. That Israel wants democracy and peace but it's so tough that sometimes it goes too far and the evil Palestinians who aren't that oppressed just hate Jews.

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