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Post subject: Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:25 pm |
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Ha ha ha he is quoting the 911 commission thats like quoting the Warren commission for the JKF killing. Dude I have tapes of CNN saying they found Atta's passport at ground zero.
Quote: On Sunday night the United States prepared for fresh strikes against new pockets of al-Qaida and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. At almost exactly the same time, American intelligence revealed that they had uncovered an increase in money being transferred between groups of al-Qaida fighters. According to my reckoning, this is the 14th handy thing that American intelligence has discovered since September 11. Think back over the past six months and it becomes ineluctable: never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely. It started the day after the attacks on the twin towers, with the discovery of a flight manual in Arabic and a copy of the Koran in a car hired by Mohammed Atta and abandoned at Boston airport. In the immediate shocked aftermath of the attacks, these findings were somehow reassuring: American intelligence was on the case, the perpetrators were no longer faceless.
In less than a week came another find, two blocks away from the twin towers, in the shape of Atta's passport
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,669961,00.html
the 911 commission will omit evidence that was carried in major US and British papers. It's amazing. It is like Michael Ledeen saying last week that he never supported the war in Iraq. Do they no no shame? Is there no lie too big to tell?
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:42 am |
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Ry wrote: Ha ha ha he is quoting the 911 commission thats like quoting the Warren commission for the JKF killing. Dude I have tapes of CNN saying they found Atta's passport at ground zero. Quote: On Sunday night the United States prepared for fresh strikes against new pockets of al-Qaida and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. At almost exactly the same time, American intelligence revealed that they had uncovered an increase in money being transferred between groups of al-Qaida fighters. According to my reckoning, this is the 14th handy thing that American intelligence has discovered since September 11. Think back over the past six months and it becomes ineluctable: never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely. It started the day after the attacks on the twin towers, with the discovery of a flight manual in Arabic and a copy of the Koran in a car hired by Mohammed Atta and abandoned at Boston airport. In the immediate shocked aftermath of the attacks, these findings were somehow reassuring: American intelligence was on the case, the perpetrators were no longer faceless.
In less than a week came another find, two blocks away from the twin towers, in the shape of Atta's passport
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,669961,00.htmlthe 911 commission will omit evidence that was carried in major US and British papers. It's amazing. It is like Michael Ledeen saying last week that he never supported the war in Iraq. Do they no no shame? Is there no lie too big to tell?
Ry,
One question someone raised about the alleged hijackers (patsies) still being alive, is why didn't the Mossad kill them if they were?
My guess was that either this was a mistake on their part, or they didn't care as they could've easily have said that they had the same names. On the other hand, it may be that the ones in the United States were killed, while killing the ones in the ME would've been a hassle, or they just simply couldn't be located at the time.
What is your take on this?
Also. I'm not sure if you would find this interesting or not:
Israeli 9/11 Hijacker Believed Planes Were Being Landed By Remote Control
Fake or real, I still find it interesting.
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Int'l man of mystery
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:45 am |
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debus wrote: You are being sly in how you try and discredit the Israelis and 9/11 Theory. You imply that we a bunch of dogmatists. That we want to believe that Israelis did 9/11 a priori, and then we make up the story as we go along, working from that initial point. So that is why the evidence is 'not important', or the ' actual theory is inconsequential'. "Don't argue about the theory" you chant. The main thing is that we accuse Israelis. Period. That we 'set them up' to be the bad guys because we are 'anti-semite'.
So we are back to the crutch that the Jews use (of the atheist/agnostic persuasion or otherwise): the Jews are the victims; they're being picked on.
If you want to know, I started off believing the Arabs did 9/11. It was only when I stumbled on some 9/11 CT websites did I start changing my mind. The video of WTC7 was the crucial piece of evidence that made me realize that people other than Arabs had to be involved, and even then I still believed the Arabs did the hijacking; the Israelis were guilty of having foreknowledge and therefore blew up the towers on 9/11. Then more evidence surfaced in my personal investigation of 9/11, such as seven of the hijackers being alive and well, that made me suspicious the hijackers were not Arab.
And then it wasn't so much the evidence of what happened on 9/11 that made me think it was the Israelis who carried out the whole mission - it was the cover-up attempts by the administration and various governmental organizations that made me think that. The rather clumsy attempts at cover-up I should add: the fake Bin Laden videos and audios, the silence from the government about 9/11, their unwillingness to do an investigation into 9/11, the deliberate destruction of the controllers' tapes, the hasty removal of WTC rubble from the scene including the transport of scrap metal to China (WOW, they really wanted to make sure the metal never got examined forensically) ..... the NORAD stand-down orders, the air defense doing wargames exercises, the connections that investigative reporter Bollyn unearthed between Israel and 9/11 also made me think that the hijackers were not Arab.
And then when I had everything sewn up, that I had arrived at a seemingly watertight theory that the Israelis electronically hijacked the planes (with no actual hijackers involved), and had blown up the buildings as well, I came to a glitch - WHAT ABOUT THE PHONE CALLS - WERE THEY FAKED OR NOT?
Because if the phone calls were real, a spanner was thrown into the works and my hitherto neat little theory that there were no hijackers on the flights did not make sense. I toyed with the idea that the hijackers were Israeli suicide hijackers, and even patsy hijackers - that is, they didn't even know the planes were going to go down ...
I even reverted to the hijackers being Arab again, but I knew that the Israelis would have shouted out their identity loud and clear if they had been Arab, and that the trail that led to them would consist of more than 'Atta' partying away on Abramoff's boat and that kind of thing ..... and we wouldn't be just left with what we have now - seven hijackers turning up alive and well, and the 12 other hijackers not talked about - no evidence showing they were the hijackers - just the Israelis telling us that they were, trust them.
A fellow poster on the SF thread, A-Train, convinced me that the phone calls were real; I was hesitating to commit one way or the other although I think I knew in the back of my mind that they were real - and so when this guy pushed me to believe that the phone calls were real and gave the reasons why, I didn't fight him.
So that was a breakthrough in a sense because the phone calls were critical to the whole investigation. And because now I believed the phone calls to be real (mainly because faking that many phone calls is a logistic impossibility), I could study them more closely and that proved to be quite fruitful: the phone calls yielded many clues about what happened that day. The more I looked the more evidence I found that supported my theory that the hijackers:
1) Were Israeli commandos
2) Used guns to take control of the plane
3) Used an aerosolized anesthetic 'gas' to put everyone to sleep so that the hijackers could make their exits unobserved and unhindered (Felt's, Ong's and Wainio's calls all indicate an anesthetic gas was used)
4) Made their escape from the remote-control flown planes by parachute descent and the prior inexplicable observations such as low passenger numbers (low ballast so that the plane could fly at low speeds), the transponder being turned on briefly for three minutes in FL93 towards the end of its flight, the planes' 'bizarre' flightpaths - into West Virginia and other relatively unpopulated locales (the hijackers made their jumps here before the planes made a beeline for their targets) .. all now make PERFECT SENSE.
So, no I am not working backwards from the theory that the Israelis were the hijackers and then trying to make that evidence fit in with the theory. It is the opposite: I am looking at the evidence first, and then theorizing from what the evidence tells me, even if I have to alter my theory along the way ( even going back to believing the hijackers were Arab at one point because the evidence I had before me then pointed to that).
The theory has finally evolved to the one I have presented here:
1) that the hijackers were Israeli commandos, they took control of the planes with guns (not only boxcutters and plastic knives - the pilots would have been able to resist those weapons);
2) they disabled the passengers and crew by releasing an incapacitating gas into the main cabin;
3) they bailed from the planes when the planes were flying above relatively unpopulated territory;
4) then the planes were flown by remote control to their final destinations;
5) upon striking their targets or crashing into the ground, the planes were detonated (to destroy the evidence).
6) The WTC towers (including WTC7 which had not been hit by a plane) were detonated by remote control (Mossad agents had entered the buildings during the powerdown ordered by Silverstein to plant the bombs).
The Pentagon might have been wired up too - there had been some construction work going on before 9/11 in that wing of the building; or alternatively a missile/bomb/charges was/were on board the plane and these were detonated just as the plane crashed into the Pentagon. This explains:
a) the complete disintegration of the plane,
b) the relatively small size of the entry hole,
c) the burned-out hole in the C-ring, the fireball seen at the times of the crash,
d) the reports by Pentagon witnesses that there was the sound of an explosion at the time of the crash, and the smell of cordite observed by many.
e) It also explains the hesitancy of the government in releasing the video footage of the crash, and the missing frames in the video when they released the video (under pressure; members of the public had to sue for them to release it) - the missing frames probably show clearly the detonation of the plane prior to its crash - an ordnance-type explosion (white flash and massive fireball), not a jet-fuel type explosion.
This may be of some help to you:
The Cellphone Calls from Flight 93
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:56 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:04 pm |
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debus wrote: Judaism is a racist religion, and a racist ideology and culture, in that it calls Gentiles an inferior species; I don't know if you are a Jew or not, sounds like it, "being anti-Jew Nation is being racist", so I am being anti-racist.
Allow Q' to correct this one. These "so-called" Jews are actually descendants from Khazzar reginon on East Europ who converted to Judaism for political reason. The real Jews actually live peacefully in Middle East. Phallasha people are the original Jews as some Palestinians as well. the Zionists will never mention them because of the racist Zionist doctrines. Therefore, Zionism does not represent Judaism.
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:58 pm |
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Q we have all heard those lines before.
It doesn't matter what region of the wolrd the Jews came from anyway. All that matters is that its a group of people who falsely think they are a race and they have adopted the fascist philosophy of Zionism.
Eveyone but Debus who was a total plant disinformation racist, argued that the calls were not only unmakable but that the entire thing was fake there were no hijackers and no callers. The plane was taken by remote control.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:28 pm |
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International man of myst wrote: Ry,
One question someone raised about the alleged hijackers (patsies) still being alive, is why didn't the Mossad kill them if they were?
This is an important question. The Mossad usually kill the people's identities they've stolen, don't they?
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:55 pm |
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They had doubles for some and planned to kill the others. They dont care how obvious the lie is because they know they control the media. Look at the WMDs myth they knew was false because they made it up. That WMD scare was all over the news. What were they planning on saying when nothing was found? just wupps? they didn't even have to say that because the media simply does not address it.
They even had the Chutzpah to run a few stories on the news claiming that the WMDs had been moved to Syria (their next target).
They lie about their illegal occupation of Palestine and the wall and no body has a clue. I mean they openly build racial colonies and the American press just ignores it. If they can hide something that big for so long even when other media outlets in Europe report it in the same language (like the BBC) then why worry about a hijacker? All they have to do to keep him dead is not report on him. It doesn't matter if the BBC interviews them. Nothing matters until it is on CNN or Fox that is the American brainwashing.
Basically they have nothing to fear. There are peopel who STILL think there were WMDs, they wont quit believing it until Bush gets on TV and clearly says there were WMD and it is covered on ABCNNBCBS FOX news. Which it never will be. Bush could eat a live baby and no one would care until it was on the "news". apparently if its not on the "news" then it didn't happen.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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