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The hijackers caught the plane. The videocamera caught the 'fake' hijackers and people who processed them at the airports testify they remember the Middle Eastern-looking passengers later identified to be the hijackers. Eg. Security personnel remember giving some of these people extra security checks.

I think about a dozen people at least who worked at the airports and are unlikely to be Mossad plants recalled these passengers who were alleged to be the hijackers later. (Except they weren't Arab, they were Israeli.)

A little research like looking at the TIMELINE I've linked to should show that these hijackers existed.

Don't let your intuiton guide you, "Those phone calls had to be fake!", let the evidence guide you and wherever the evidence guides you is where you should be i.e. in the right place, even if it means having to abandon your original theory or change it somehow.


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I didn't say they killed their own; I said the Israelis planned for the hijackers to escape. I described how the Israelis bailed from the planes and silenced the passengers and crew before they did so, to make sure there were no witnesses telling their loved ones on the phone they saw the hijackers jump out.

I described how the Israelis' plan to ditch from the plane fits the timeline perfectly. How all the things that researchers of 9/11 say do not make sense, such as the transponder being turned on from 10:00 to 10:03 before the plane crashes at 10:06, now make sense. Perfect logical crystal-clear sense.

Why Felt reports an explosion on the plane, but no explosion is heard by the listeners. How Felt could see an explosion if he was inside the toilet at the time. Why Wainio who was clearheaded moments earlier, clear-headed enough to report calmly the activities on the plane to her step-mother and that she was going to join the attack team and had to go suddenly started to report experiencing weird sensations.

Why all commotion suddenly ceased right when the attack team were about to break down the door.

Why there were multiple reports by people who all described the same thing - an unmarked white Learjet-type plane flying very close to where the Boeing had been before it crashed.

Why there is an ordnance smoke plume above the crash site in a photo someone took soon after the plane crashed.

Why all four planes were completely obliterated and why all the people in the planes seemed to evaporate into thin air.

The absence of the hijackers on the passenger lists can be explained by the fact that the authorities removed the names of the hijackers from the the list.

They had the reasons for doing this, probably for cover-up, and also for dramatic effect - we are supposed to fill in the blanks with our own imaginations. Th authorities who are trying to cover up Israeli authroship of the attack are trying to give as little information as possible to the public as possible.


Please look up Occums Razor and just think about which theory makes more sense. You really think the Israelis went to the trouble of posing as hijackers and then had their names removed from the list and are still hiding the security video from the air ports and lol jumped out of the plane but not untl they some how silenced all the passengers something they could not do before hand with all these silly cell phone calls that all worked so well despite their alititude. Jumped out of the plane HA HA and then what let it ghost ride into the towers. That is just fucking stupid.

We have evidence that they purposely used Atta as a patsie and planted his passport at ground zero etc. Why now whould they even need to get on the plane and then jump out of it. The calls you heard were on the MSM, I can't believe you are buying this disinfo. The Mossad was not on the planes. They were remote controlled. The Mossad was laying the trail of their patsies by going to flight school and then by planting the evidence from Atta like his bag with the list of the 19 and his pasport. There is no reason for them to hijack the planes when Cheney was having Norad Stand down and the plane were taken by remote, the passengers were probably just gassed. The Let's roll phone call was definately a plant as the guys brother who was part of the finanical scaming and is a total zionist used to tag his papers with that call line.

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I think the security cameras were tampered with by the Zionist security company because they didn't want them to show the faces of the Israeli commando hijackers, not because there were no hijackers.

I am pretty sure there were hijackers. The airlines keep passenger lists or manifests(?) and so they would have known which people got on the plane and how many. Nineteen of those people were identified as hijackers. If they weren't the hijackers who were the 19 that got on the plane? Nobody has claimed them as lost relatives. People who worked at the airport remember some of these passengers with a Middle Eastern appearance. They remember they went through special security checks, and that they couldn't speak English well, and that one of these men almost missed his plane and had to make a run for it.

Also, the phone calls made by the passengers and crew speak of hijackers. Unless you think the Israeli hijackers faked 18 phone calls, including ones that lasted twenty minutes.

I thought the phone calls were faked at one point in time because everything else was faked, but after looking at the transcripts of the phone calls and the timelines of the calls:
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I no longer think so. It would have been too difficult to fake all these phone calls. How would the Israelis know what to call the people who they called - their nicknames? How did they know how the people who picked up the phone were related to the passengers, and how could they mimic the voices of all those people, their speaking mannerisms and so forth - pretty big task.


Well the Israelis didn't fake calls from the plane. Why would they have to? Aside from the possible air phone call there weren't any calls made. The tapes you heard were made before 911. The MSM which is totally por-Israel ran the fake calls and the stupid Tod Beamer Story verbatime with one another. They already had the package ready.

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Ry wrote:

Well the Israelis didn't fake calls from the plane. Why would they have to? Aside from the possible air phone call there weren't any calls made. The tapes you heard were made before 911. The MSM which is totally por-Israel ran the fake calls and the stupid Tod Beamer Story verbatime with one another. They already had the package ready.


That's impossible for the Israelis to have done. That means they faked the phone calls of people they didn't know were going to catch FL93 until the last minute that day.

Half of the phone calls that were made from FL93 were by people who switched from FL91 to FL93 at the last moment, or had decided to make their plane trip less than a day before they did.

And what would the purpose of the Israelis speaking about guns and gas in the 'faked' phone calls?

As we know Rumsfeld and Cheney were involved in the cover-up and giving out disinfo. They particularly stressed the planes were held up by the hijackers with plastic knives and box-cutters (because they didn't want the public to think it was an inside job i.e. the hijackers had inside connections to people within the airport). Why would the Israelis fake phone calls whose content was in conflict with the disinfo given out by the government people?


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That's impossible for the Israelis to have done. That means they faked the phone calls of people they didn't know were going to catch FL93 until the last minute that day.

Half of the phone calls that were made from FL93 were by people who switched from FL91 to FL93 at the last moment, or had decided to make their plane trip less than a day before they did.


dude you are putting the cart before the horse. There weren't any phone calls made. They knew who was getting on the plane because they put them there. They already had the calls made before they stuck the people on the plane.

duh.

Look at how the MSM played up on the Todd Beamer story and the tapes to make it sound like their were hijackers. Also do you really think the Israelis jumped out of the plane. That's just pointless. And its not the only fake tape. They gave the FBI fake tapes on Bin Laden as well. All of this has been well established.

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That's impossible for the Israelis to have done. That means they faked the phone calls of people they didn't know were going to catch FL93 until the last minute that day.

Half of the phone calls that were made from FL93 were by people who switched from FL91 to FL93 at the last moment, or had decided to make their plane trip less than a day before they did.


dude you are putting the cart before the horse. There weren't any phone calls made. They knew who was getting on the plane because they put them there. They already had the calls made before they stuck the people on the plane.

duh.


Not exactly. Relatives and colleagues of some of the passengers who made the phone calls say that these people bought their tickets on the day of the flight or switched flights at the last moment.

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Look at how the MSM played up on the Todd Beamer story and the tapes to make it sound like their were hijackers. Also do you really think the Israelis jumped out of the plane. That's just pointless. And its not the only fake tape. They gave the FBI fake tapes on Bin Laden as well. All of this has been well established.


Correction: "Look at how the MSM played up on the Todd Beamer story and the tapes to make it sound like their were ARAB hijackers."

That was the whole purpose of the Israelis' plan in hijacking the planes; that was why they had spent months setting up the deception, getting the Israeli Mossad acting the part of Arab hijackers in Florida; why the group of hijackers made a ruckus in the parking lot of the airport - so that a member of the public would remember seeing them - to carry out the hijacking themselves and fool the public into thinking it was the Arabs.

But even with the best-laid plans things go wrong and the Israelis' plan is no exception. The hijacking of FL93 is where things fouled up. Passengers (and the extra ballast) that weren't meant to catch FL93 did catch the plane; there was a delay in the plane taking off -- other snafus that happened with the flight -- culminating in the terrible (for the Israelis) slip-up of phone calls being made by passengers that revealed the presence of guns and gas on the plane (pointing to an 'inside' job: undercover operatives working at the airport), and also the actual events on the plane being reported or transmitted via phone, such as the attack on the cockpit, the holing of the plane after one of the doors had been opened, the six-minute interval between the point when the passengers stopped talking (suddenly) and the plane crashed.

As I said, many of the airport workers working at the airports remember seeing the hijackers and they remember checking their luggage; so we know the hijackers went onto the plane, as all the other passengers are accounted for and none of them can be seriously considered as suspects in the hijackings. Therefore it is undeniable that there were actual hijackers on board.


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Not exactly. Relatives and colleagues of some of the passengers who made the phone calls say that these people bought their tickets on the day of the flight or switched flights at the last moment.


so what, that's plenty of time. And I doubt it's true. I think the entire thing is rigged including the relatives.

israelis jumping off of planes is ridiculous. and the MSM did roll with the lets role junk and the so called phone calls from the flights, you're eating it up.

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As I said, many of the airport workers working at the airports remember seeing the hijackers and they remember checking their luggage; so we know the hijackers went onto the plane, as all the other passengers are accounted for and none of them can be seriously considered as suspects in the hijackings. Therefore it is undeniable that there were actual hijackers on board.


someone said "some workers" said that. It is not undeniable given that the said hijackers, turned up ALIVE.

they didn't fuck up on flight 93 (read the Grove article) the whole story was planned, the the phone calls were made to make it look like a hijacking rather than remote control. And it was a tale of American Heroism something the scared public ate up like candy.

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Not exactly. Relatives and colleagues of some of the passengers who made the phone calls say that these people bought their tickets on the day of the flight or switched flights at the last moment.


so what, that's plenty of time. And I doubt it's true. I think the entire thing is rigged including the relatives.


I think you going into fantasy land territory here (and breaking Occam's Razor). They rigged the relatives? They had plenty of time?

Pray, tell me, how did they fake the phone calls and how did they rig the relatives? Do you think people will shut up about the fact that their loved ones died and the phone calls they made were faked all for money? Would you do that if your family member was in the same situation?


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israelis jumping off of planes is ridiculous.


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and the MSM did roll with the lets role junk and the so called phone calls from the flights, you're eating it up.


Who knows what beamer said? The phone call wasn't recorded - we just have the verizon person's recall of his words - maybe he said, "let's roll!" - it's not the first time or last time somebody said such a thing. I don't think Tod beamer was thinking of what would sound corny or less corny when he spoke to the receptionist. He was thinking about his survival ...

So on the basis of the corniness of "Let's roll!" you say the phone calls from 18 passengers were faked and the relatives were bought?


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As I said, many of the airport workers working at the airports remember seeing the hijackers and they remember checking their luggage; so we know the hijackers went onto the plane, as all the other passengers are accounted for and none of them can be seriously considered as suspects in the hijackings. Therefore it is undeniable that there were actual hijackers on board.


someone said "some workers" said that. It is not undeniable given that the said hijackers, turned up ALIVE.


Yeah, but those people didn't catch the plane; Israeli commandos did. The people who turned up alive obviously had their identities stolen - by the Israelis.

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they didn't fuck up on flight 93 (read the Grove article) the whole story was planned, the the phone calls were made to make it look like a hijacking rather than remote control. And it was a tale of American Heroism something the scared public ate up like candy.


No, I don't go by someone's intuition that a passenger's words sound corny or whatever and therefore the whole thing must be fake; I go by evidence and the evidence is that it is not possible to fake the phone calls of that many people and not be caught out; also the Israelis did not have time to research the last-minute plane-catchers and fake their voices and personalities and find out nicknames and so on ...

I also go by logic, and logic tells me that if the Israelis somehow managed to do the impossible and fake all those people, they would not have included details such as the gun shootings and the gas canisters - these details point away from the Arabs and toward other people - people who had inside help at the airports.

That's what I go by: evidence and logic and I don't scope the realms of fantasy just because my 'intuition' tells me "Let's roll!" sounds corny.


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I think you going into fantasy land territory here (and breaking Occam's Razor). They rigged the relatives? They had plenty of time?

Pray, tell me, how did they fake the phone calls and how did they rig the relatives? Do you think people will shut up about the fact that their loved ones died and the phone calls they made were faked all for money? Would you do that if your family member was in the same situation?


god damn dude (you are still putting the cart before the horse), there were no phone calls to fake. It was a fucking recording that they had before 911. (if a call had made comverse an Israeli company would have snatched it, as they control all the phone data) They didn't have to fake calls for all the people on the plane only a few calls which they invented and said were from the plane. Both the caller and reciver are fake they are not the people on the plane, who are dead and can not say anything otherwise.

it is not fantasy land. The Mossad and CIA rutinely have faked tape, notably the Bin Laden tapes.

Also the let's roll story doesn't fit with the evidence. Flight 93 was shot down, the debris is tossed over a mile wide area, and witnesses saw an explosion in the air. Now there are kooks out there who say people were tossing plane parts out of a plane to make it look like that and others have just said the plane blew up over a mile and other just deny the evidence. People were not jumping out of planes and they were not dumping plane parts out of a plane to frame 93. This kind of ridiculous BS is the disinfo to discredit Israeli involvement.

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Debus,

The kind of phone manipulation you decry is easily done. I know because I once worked for a company that did it. The technology is over 25 years old.

It's an incredibly simple matter of getting the manifest the day before, then recording calls made by or to whomever you choose, from the manifest, to mimic. Subsequent voice modulation tapes are effectively a no-brainer. They're about as difficult to make as it is for you to tie your shoes. Any ten-year-old could manage it.


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