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Post subject: Re: The Holocaust what censors won't allow you to discuss Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:59 pm |
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Manhunt Over James Allan Khan Found in the Bowels of D.C. Empire Under A RockHot to Spot http://www.hottospot.com/2011/04/05/fin ... er-a-rock/
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"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery." ~~ Thomas Jefferson
"Power kills, absolute power kills absolutely. The more power a government has, the more it can arbitrarily make war on others and murder foreign and domestic subjects. The more that government is constrained and diffused, the less tendency there is for them to commit genocide." ~~ Art Crino
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Post subject: Re: The Holocaust what censors won't allow you to discuss Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:41 pm |
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Post subject: Re: The Holocaust what censors won't allow you to discuss Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:53 am |
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Dang! Missed this from nearly a year ago. Holocaust-era Soap Find Raises New Questions Some of the belongings found in a suitcase of Holocaust survivor Joseph Weinberger.Bar with ‘RIF’ initials found by Brooklyn man in uncle’s belongings; experts downplay ghoulish rumors.Tuesday, February 22, 2011 Stewart Ain, Staff Writer http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_y ... _questionsAfter Holocaust survivor Joseph Weinberger entered a nursing home last month, his nephew began cleaning out his Borough Park apartment and discovered an old suitcase containing his naturalization papers, German currency and a book about the Nazi doctor, Josef Mengele — all relatively standard-issue belongings. Then Yitzchok Mermelstein reached into a bag and pulled out a mundane artifact, but one with the power to drive home the reality of the Holocaust with the force of a sledgehammer. It was a bar of soap bearing the initials “RIF.” “When I opened the bag and saw ‘RIF,’ I remembered hearing that the Nazis made Jews into soap, and I thought that maybe this was one of the bars,” recalled Mermelstein, 52, of Flatbush. “I believe I heard about it at the Holocaust Museum in Washington and that Yad Vashem [the Holocaust museum and memorial in Israel] has a couple of bars,” he added. “I wrapped it in a towel. Seeing the Mengele pictures and realizing that my uncle used the suitcase when he came to America, I put two and two together.” [More like he subtracted 3 from 6 and still got 6.]Mermelstein said he went home and looked on the Internet for information about such soap and saw a picture of a bar purported to have been produced by the Nazis from the bodies of concentration camp inmates. A picture of one of those bars of soap “looked the same as I had, only it had a different number” below the initials RIF. (The initials are believed to be those of a German soap manufacturer.) [The soap was numbered? Let me guess. A five-digit Hollerith number.]Mermelstein said he then visited his uncle in the nursing home but that his uncle, who has dementia, was unable to remember where he got the soap or anything about it. Mermelstein said that “since I know that human remains have to be buried,” he contacted people he knew at Misaskim, an Orthodox Brooklyn-based group that provides support to families in mourning and other services. “They asked if it was real,” Mermelstein said. “I said I wish it wasn’t, but it is. … My mother was in a concentration camp, perhaps he got the soap from her. … It’s a one in a billion chance you find something like this.” [I'm sure he meant to say one in six million chance.]At first there was talk of burying the soap in a dignified ceremony. But as more and more people heard of it, questions were raised about whether the Nazis ever really did use human fat to make soap. The soap, which is brownish in color and measures about two inches by one inch, was then locked up in Misaskim’s offices for safekeeping. A staff member at Misaskim researched the matter and posted a story about it on the group’s website. In it, she recounted how Yosef Weinberger had spent the war hiding from the Nazis in cellars and bunkers; the Nazis killed his parents and nine of his 13 siblings. The staff member, Suri Roth, found that judges in the Nuremberg Trials accepted the testimony from someone who said he had worked at a laboratory that was involved in the production of soap that contained human fat. A bar of such soap was actually introduced as evidence in the trials. Five years ago, that soap was tested by Poland’s National Remembrance Institute, which announced that it did indeed contain human fat. [See http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3714 and http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... human.html ]But Roth said Holocaust experts today believe that only a small amount of soap containing human fat was ever produced. Holocaust historian Deborah Lipstadt told The Jewish Week that “there is no proof that the Nazis made Jews into soap in a mass fashion. … There were attempts, but it was never practical.” She noted, however, that one museum, the Chamber of the Holocaust on Mt. Zion in Israel, actually displays a bar of soap purportedly made by the Nazis from human fat. The museum, maintained by the Diaspora Yeshiva, is located in a cellar and built in 1949. Lipstadt said she knows of no other museum with such a display. The Virginia Holocaust Museum in Richmond shows footage of a Russian film that was played at the Nuremberg Trials. It shows Russian soldiers coming upon a skeleton in a vat at the Gdansk Anatomical Institute, from which it was deduced that the Nazis used human fat to make soap. Jay Ipson, the museum’s founder, said he knows questions have been raised about the veracity of the soap story and that all he is doing is showing visitors what was presented at the Nuremberg trial. A survivor, Ipson said that after the war many survivors had bars of this soap that they believed contained human remains. He said one survivor who spoke at his synagogue a few years ago recalled seeing survivors burying a number of bars of soap in a cemetery in Munich. But Peter Black, senior historian at the United States Holocaust Memorial and Museum in Washington, D.C., said questions about the soap are frequently asked by visitors and that his answer is, “It didn’t happen.”
“There is nothing we can hold our hats on that would indicate the Nazis tried this even experimentally,” he said.
Asked about the Nuremberg Trials, Black said the evidence presented there “gave the rumor some legs.” In addition to the Russian film, two British prisoners of war testified that they worked at the anatomical institute, but Black said their testimony was “inconsistent.” One of them gave the court the “recipe” that was in the institute for making the soap — and there was no mention of using human remains. Black said he read the report of the tests conducted five years ago in Warsaw, but he noted, “The forensic work was never released.”Regarding the initials “RIF” on the soap bars, Black said it is widely believed this stood for, “Jews rest in peace.” In fact, he said, it was the initials of the soap manufacturer, Reich Center for Industrial Fat Provisioning. “The Nazis did a lot of things that were very ghoulish, but for some reason the shock value of the soap, of leather goods and lampshades made of human products capture the imagination,” Black said.(Mark Jacobsen’s recent book “The Lampshade” is an account of the author’s attempt to authenticate whether a lampshade made from human skin could be traced back to the Nazis.) Black said there is no proof that such objects contain human product “and if it does, we don’t know it is from Jews. … And the difficulty is tying it back to the Nazis. There is nobody who was close enough to have seen the process. There were stories in Romania, Auschwitz and Danzig. But if you follow them to their source, there is nothing.” Mermelstein said he would like to have the bar of soap from his uncle’s suitcase tested to see if it contains human fat. If it does, he said, it would be buried with proper respect.
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"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery." ~~ Thomas Jefferson
"Power kills, absolute power kills absolutely. The more power a government has, the more it can arbitrarily make war on others and murder foreign and domestic subjects. The more that government is constrained and diffused, the less tendency there is for them to commit genocide." ~~ Art Crino
When they put you in the internment camp, if you're really, really good, they might let you watch Dancing With The Stars.
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Post subject: Re: The Holocaust what censors won't allow you to discuss Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:08 pm |
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Quote:  Updated: Thursday, May 31, 2007 Holocaust Survivor Tells Students He Was ‘Just A Number' Holocaust Survivor Tells Students He Was ‘Just A Number' - Note the original article appears to have been removed By Lori Goat A Holocaust survivor of World War II Nazi concentration camps, Michael Jacobs, spoke of his experiences and insights to Tecumseh Middle School students on May 18. *** Bar of dead jew soapJacobs also showed the students artifacts of his time in the camps, the cap he wore, a pair of child's shoes, and a bar of soap the Nazis made out of human fat.The most permanent artifact was the tattoo on Jacobs' forearm, “B4990”. “The SS man asked me if I knew what the number meant. I said no. He told me I wasn't human anymore. I was just a number,” Jacobs said. As Jacobs presented the slide show and artifacts, he repeated the same three words, “Nobody can deny.”
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Post subject: Re: The Holocaust what censors won't allow you to discuss Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:15 pm |
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That was 2007. I wonder if Jacobs has had a funeral for his bar of soap yet.
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"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery." ~~ Thomas Jefferson
"Power kills, absolute power kills absolutely. The more power a government has, the more it can arbitrarily make war on others and murder foreign and domestic subjects. The more that government is constrained and diffused, the less tendency there is for them to commit genocide." ~~ Art Crino
When they put you in the internment camp, if you're really, really good, they might let you watch Dancing With The Stars.
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Post subject: Re: The Holocaust what censors won't allow you to discuss Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:19 pm |
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dicktater wrote: That was 2007. I wonder if Jacobs has had a funeral for his bar of soap yet. You'd think that some law enforcement agency would consider a bar of soap made from humans who were excecuted to be evidence of a crime, right?
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Post subject: Re: The Holocaust what censors won't allow you to discuss Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:08 pm |
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 Haha remember that one lady who was a Holocaust "suvivor" on the Phil Donahue show? Check it!
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Post subject: Re: The Holocaust what censors won't allow you to discuss Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:29 am |
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The Big Excuse: 'excavation & exhumation of Jews forbidden' http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6817Quote: by Breker » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:41 pm I posted the information below in a thread concerning a news article about alleged mass graves at Treblinka filled with corpses of Jews. Concerning this shoddy attempt to refute revisionist scholarship, it is stated in the news articles, and is stated routinely, that the excuse for not actually excavating and exhuming the corpses of that or any of alleged mass grave sites, where identities, cause of death, when death occurred, etc. could all be established, is because it is forbidden by Jewish law. Naturally, logic would tell me that one must identify the corpses to see if they were indeed even Jews. I would like to open a discussion on what I call The Big Excuse. Do others have information that it is forbidden to actually excavate and exhume Jewish corpses? The information below tells me that this simply is not true. What appears to be required is essentially having a rabbi at the site. And of course, there must be payments made, no surprise there. Imagine, this would mean that any grave claimed to hold a Jew could not be exhumed. Think of the implications for solving crimes where exhumations are regularly ordered by courts. Do Jews protest when a court orders an exhumation of a grave where a Jew is claimed to buried? And since the entire matter seems to be an attempt to silence the growing number of Holocaust revisionists, certainly getting a rabbi to stand by would not be a problem. Wouldn't the Chosen Ones want their sacred "Holocaust saints" exhumed and reburied in holy Israel as is mentioned in my quotes below? Wouldn't they welcome the opportunity to strike a blow against the growing suspicion concerning the Holocaust "storyline"? What first must be determined is whether in fact the alleged mass graves are actually mass graves. Then it must be determined whether the occupants of any such mass grave were murdered. Then, if it is proven that the occupants were murdered, it must be determined who the murderers were. And as I said before, it must be determined that the anyone proven to be murdered were in fact Jews. The Big Excuse for not doing this is in fact a cover for the lack of proof for the "Holocaust" mythology. Any thoughts from those at this forum? B. Quote: Breker wrote: Quote: http://www.israelburials.com/
DO YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONES WANT TO BE BURIED IN ISRAEL?
Achuzat Kever helps Jewish families, worldwide, bring their loved ones to their final resting place in Israel. We also arrange exhumations anywhere in the world for the purpose of transferring the mortal remains to Israel.
English speaking, we take care of everything from reserving a burial plot, transport of casket to Israel, officiating at funeral service, arrangement and 'perpetual' care of tombstone.
Full information, with pictures and plans of cemeteries available.
Reserve a plot anywhere in the Holy Land — Jerusalem, Beit Shemesh, Haifa, Zfat, etc.
Fair, affordable prices — protecting your interests in bringing the cost of funerals within reach of everyone.
Based in Israel, we deal with all local issues, making it easier for families at the time of their loss.
If required, we will arrange kaddish to be recited for the mandatory period.
Someone to turn to 24 hours a day.
Under constant Rabbinic supervision.
Perpetual Care
Approved by Hagoan Rav Chaim P. Scheinberg (shlita).
More. Quote: http://israel.usembassy.gov/disposition.html G. Exhumation of Remains:
In accordance with Israeli health regulations, remains of persons of the Jewish faith may be disinterred a year from the date of burial. There is no law prohibiting disinterment of remains of persons of other faiths at any given time, provided that the Ministry of Health is in agreement. Exhumation must be performed in the presence of a representative of the Israeli Ministry of Health.
The Ministry of Health, having given the necessary permission for exhumation of remains, must also obtain the consent of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel for exhumation of the remains of persons of the Jewish faith. For exhumation of the remains of persons of the Muslim faith, the consent of the Islamic High Council is needed, and for exhumation of persons of the Christian faith a Church consent is required. The Jewish Burial Society is responsible for exhumation of remains. Remains that are to be shipped out of Israel may require embalming, depending on the stage of decomposition.
Exhumation related charges are as follows:
Ministry of Health – Certificate of Consent and presence of representative at exhumation: $250.00
Exhumation fee $1,500 - $2,000
Approximate freight charges to the U.S. $1,500 - $2,000
Always lame excuses. And we're still not seeing any images. B. Quote: by White Wolf » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:13 am Seems the jews tend to "move" only when it suits them, as exampled http://www.valcomnews.com/?p=2244http://www.iajgsjewishcemeteryproject.o ... ounty.htmlhttp://www.iajgsjewishcemeteryproject.o ... tunis.htmlhttp://oaklandfraternal.org/JewishCemeteries.htmlJust Google "jewish cemetery moved" and they pop up like crazy. Also the Google News section has some cases too. The only thing I came up with that discusses the "law" is in this link. http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... -Grave.htmYou have to love the reason they will allow disinterment... Quote: The following are cases that might warrant such consultation
If it is believed that valuables have fallen into the earth that was used to fill in the grave.
If a very large sum of money was placed on the casket, or if the deceased was wearing very expensive jewelry that was somehow not removed before burial, and the survivors are indigent, or creditors will have to take great losses because of lack of funds.
If the remains were not prepared according to religious law, disinterment may be possible if this was realized shortly after burial.
If the body was not identified accurately before burial, thus preventing the wife's remarriage for fear that her husband yet lives.
Quote: by borjastick » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:55 am
So that's it then. Jewish remains can be removed. The most obvious reason is if they have not been prepared according to religious law. This would surely cover those 'gassed'. So as we now know this could have happened and presumably could still happen. But that would expose the lies, as digging up Treblinka would let the genie out of the bottle. They would be digging away day after day looking for 800,000 bodies and would find exactly how many??? Quote: by Kingfisher » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:34 am
Not quite, Borjastick. The cremated remains of 800K bodies and/or the disturbed earth of the pits where 700K had previously been buried. Quote: by borjastick » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:48 am
Kingfisher, must be me but I don't understand the point you are making. Are you saying they would find cremated remains of 700,000+ or not? Quote: by White Wolf » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:31 am
That's the obvious reason (preparation for burial) you would think that they would want to dig up the remains to prepare them properly and to identify them.
Strange that they are so obsessive about the care of their dead, except when it comes to those who they claim were mass murdered in so many ways, when it comes to that topic, it is all hands off...
Very suspicious to me... [/quote]
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