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its one or the other because you sure and shit did not come to it rationally based on evidence or reason. No one walks outside and said oh you know what a magical force made everything out of nothing and has a special plan specifically for humans whom it also made live forever just invisibly and in a different dimension etc etc. oh and one time this god thing had a son and killed it as a sacrifice to itself.

jesus story or not added to it the very basis of the idea is stupid.
It is conditioning that's why whole areas of the world are christian muslim jewish buddhist hidu etc they all happen to live in the same spots because the kids just adopt what their parents and surrounding culture told them. That's why it isn't all just random.The kids may drift off a tiny bit but you question them and really they still beleive 95% of the shit they were brought up to believe and they just strayed 5% or so and think of themselves as independent. AKA a Jew that is ok with eating pig, or a christian who doesn't believe in monarchies etc

You got all these Buddhist who do not have a god, all these monotheist who have a god but only one god, and all these hindu who have multiple gods. Do you think they all reasoned their way into any of it and just happened to do so uniformily in their places in the world? Now the Buddhist doesn't have to prove there is no god, that's a negative, but the theist does and can't. However the Buddhist does have to prove reincarnation which they can't because it's wrong. All of them have something supernatural. Supernatural is a longer word for magic. And yes its childish to sincerely believe it.

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You use words like stupid and idiot a lot and I'm still waiting for you to mature but it's taking an awfully long time.

Try just using information, thoughts, beliefs. Or are you angry about something. You seem to be projecting some shit outward. We have our own shit to deal with we don't need yours.

I object to this 'idea' as well. I think supernatural means different things to different people. The same way different people practice different religions. They are not dumb because they practice a religion and have beliefs that differ from someone elses. In fact if they are searching for something then it actually shows a bit of character that they're headed down different avenues looking for it. For some it can take an entire lifetime to find the answer. And not just one lifetime either. ( take that! )

I feel the need to step in to say once again that an opinion should be allowed to be discussed on any forum.



Brave to ask pro-G and really brave to answer IMofM. An interesting read, I think.

I can also appreciate that you guys are brave enough to use this forum knowing that Ry is going to call you names and tell you you're stupid.

I don't think a discussion about spirituality or religion is stupid and I certainly don't think anyone that has an opinion and feels like sharing it is stupid. We could all learn a little something from listening to each other and NOT calling people names.

But we know how that works here on this forum. Now, don't we?

Sorry to interrupt. Just my thoughts on the matter. FYI, I am anti-religion altogether. Yet quite spiritual and the word supernatural is not in my vocabulary. Not sure what that is about. I could learn something if we were allowed to discuss it!

I appreciate the sentiment World Peace but there isn't any bravery required to post on a message board.

Good point. I don't enjoy getting called names so it's bravery to me. I try to stick to the rules. At least in this game.

Sure you don't think its stupid. But most stupid people don't know they are stupid so of course they have no problems with stupid ideas. I don't have a problem with people Having those opinions. They are still gonna have to deal with my opinion of "their" opinion and that's that it is stupid. And Religions aren't really YOUR opinions anyway they were around before you existed and taught to you through conditioning.

Explain what your supernatural beliefs are and I will explain why it's idiotic. And just saying boo hoo its my opinion i'm entitled to be an idiot/brainwashed if I want, is not a defense for being an adult that believes in the supernatural. it's just a defense for having the right to believe in fairy tales. Try defending the fairy tale. Dogma relies of force and brainwashing the youth to stay afloat they can't handle serious debate. It ends up like the scopes monkey trials. Religions and can fight with one another all day long and neither will ever win anything since they're all based on faith and interpretation of fictional stories. But they just fall on their face contrasted with reality, empiricism, history, philosophy, and science.

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same here I was raised to be a Christian and I was one until about 14 or so when I rejected it, but it was very very hard to do.

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Don't worry. I have every intention on doing so.



So then you believe that God is more of a positive collective state of existence than an actual being?

I agree that people use religion in the best and worst possible ways, but this can be done with anything, not just religion.



I agree.



It is impossible to come to those beliefs on your own to begin with, as they would need to be told to you, and you have to decide whether you believe them or not. However, the very basic idea; that there is a power greater than yourself beyond your comprehension and perception, is conceivable to anyone thinking about such things rationally and objectively.



Yes, it is conditioning. Raising and upbringing is by its very definition "conditioning", regardless of what is believed in or practiced. If there were no conditioning, everyone would be completely feral. However, I don't think sincerely believing in such things as the "supernatural" is childish. If there is anything childish about it, it would be in the reason/motive of the individual for believing in such things, not simply in believing them. The opposite is also true, as you can have people who reject such beliefs for childish reasons, just as you can have those who reject such beliefs for more grown-up reasons.

Also, concepts like "reincarnation" are not necessarily "supernatural", as the existence of such a phenomenon, when seen individually, would be completely natural. It only becomes supernatural, when it becomes associated with the divine. A religion does not necessarily need the concept of the supernatural to be a "religion". A religion is only a religion when it has the concept of "sacredness" in it. Without regarding anything as "sacred", it isn't a religion, but a philosophy.