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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:36 am 
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Second gunman witnessed

"Witnesses of Friday's mass killings in the Norwegian youth camp say there were two terrorists as the shootings were coming from "two different places on the island at the same time," Norwegian VG paper reported on Saturday.
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Several young people who survived Utoya's massacre, told VG paper that the shootings were coming from "two different places on the island at the same time."

"I believe that there were two people who were shooting," VG quoted a 23-year old Alexander Stavdal.

Norwegian police arrested on Friday a 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian, Anders Behring Breivik, who is believed to be behind the attack.

The witnesses described the second man as a 180-centimeter tall, dark-haired man with Nordic appearance with "a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back." "

See picture here of the dark haired suspect who was arrested.

This was also reported in the Sun and there was a picture of a dark haired man who was arrested. But this story disappeared and then 6 others were arrested and then released. What is going on here? Exactly who botched an operation here? Who would love Christians and Muslims to be fighting with one another?

Will see if Breivik has a suiciding in jail.

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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:16 am 
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Police Knew Gunman’s Name Before Arrest

British news anchor questions how authorities were aware of Breivik’s identity in advance
Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, July 25, 2011
http://www.infowars.com/police-knew-gun ... est/print/

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Despite being portrayed by the media as inept due to the length of time it took them to reach the island of Utoeya, it has now emerged that police knew the name of gunman Anders Behring Breivik before they even arrested him, a startling admission that prompted one of Britain’s top news anchors to question how authorities were aware of the gunman’s identity in advance.

During his Channel 4 News broadcast on Friday evening, host Jon Snow asked “why police knew the killer’s name by the time they had arrived on the island,” reported the Telegraph live blog.

“He surrendered the moment police called his name 3 minutes after they arrived. What we don’t know is how the police knew the terrorist’s name before they arrested him,” said Snow, who is recognized as one of Britain’s most trusted news anchors, and cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”.

Snow also posed the question on his official Twitter page.

How authorities knew the gunman’s identity before his slaughter of young Norwegians on the island of Utoeya had even come to an end, and while the overwhelming speculation still centered around Islamic terrorists, is a mystery, as is the question of why the cops didn’t shoot Breivik immediately.

It’s also starkly inconsistent with the “incompetence” angle that’s been heavily pushed by the establishment media in explaining why it took over 90 minutes for police to reach the island, a gap that significantly contributed to Breivik being able to claim such a huge number of victims.

Some have speculated that Breivik may have had accomplices, and although police disregarded eyewitness accounts of multiple shooters on the island, during testimony at his court case today, Breivik admitted that he was merely one part of an organization that included at least two other “cells” who were planning future attacks.

“I believe that there were two people who were shooting,” survivor Alexander Stavdal told Norwegian VG, while other eyewitnesses reported hearing gunshots from “two different places on the island at the same time.”

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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:20 am 
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Facebook profiles for Breivik altered

One from before the massacre and one from after. The latter profile appears to have been embellished and deliberately altered to emphasize the notion that the gunman was motivated by his “Christian conservative” beliefs.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images ... book1a.jpg

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images ... book2a.jpg

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Anders Behring Breivik: Manufacturing a Patsy?
Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, July 25, 2011
http://www.infowars.com/anders-behring- ... g-a-patsy/

Trusting media portrayal of gunman foolish given how press got it spectacularly wrong in blaming Muslims

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 Post subject: Re: Second gunman witnessed
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:19 pm 
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Apparently his facebook was still accepting friend requests after he was in custody. So who was doing the editing?

More info on that second arrest:

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The agency says that the second man apparently wasn’t disguised in police uniform. The man under arrest was wearing a sweater with a police emblem on it.


Throw that in google and you'll get a lot of hits. But the stories are all deleted! example - http://www.kmbz.com/Report--Police-investigating-2nd-suspect-in-spree/10430793

MSNBC still has it up http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43854862/ns/local_news-indianapolis_in/t/norway-police-investigating-nd-suspect-spree/

This is not the same guy! I don't see a police emblem in the pics and he isn't wearing a sweater, he's wearing a T-shirt. This means in addition to the t-shirt kid somebody else was arrested. Unless it was a false report. The lack of a retraction in favor of a flat out deletion makes me suspicious

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A second man, 20, was arrested today outside the hotel where Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was visiting. The man said he was carrying a knife because he felt unsafe and claimed to be a member of the Labour youth movement. His arrest is not currently thought to be directly linked to the attacks.


Eyewitness account of second shooter:

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Shorter than the man in police uniform, around 180 cm, had dark thick hair and looked Nordic. He had a gun in his right hand and a rifle on his back, witnesses say.


He does have thick, dark hair although it is dyed a reddish color. He definitely has a Nordic look. The knife thing was apparently something he said to reporters not something the police said. He was arrested, did not resist arrest, and was seen to be smiling.

Breivik can't be the only guy. They've arrested eight other people. Nine total. Ten if you count the raid in Poland. Depending on what news source you read it says they might be suspects, they aren't a suspect, they are in custody, they've been released, etc. There is no consistency! That's if the story still exists, a lot are being deleted. The six arrested in a raid yesterday had chemicals. The Polish raid had chemicals. Some guy was shot in the head 100 or so miles out of Oslo by two people dressed in military outfit. Whenever something like this happens in history, they try to control it to a minimum number of suspects despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They aren't going to win this time, there is no way this was the actions of a single guy


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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:00 pm 
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The only thing the arrest subject seems to have in remotely common with Breivik is skin color. You'd think that if he were going to follow orders from Breivik and commit mass murder, he'd try a little harder to emulate his neat, clean cut appearance.

So, did they fuck up? They took off his sweater with the police emblem but, he had forgotten to put on his infowars.com or 9/11 Truth teeshirt that morning?

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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:14 pm 
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I don't believe Breivik was giving orders. Breivik might be gay from what some people are saying. Gay guys tend to have a neat and clean-cut appearance. WRH also has a link saying he attended Michele Bachmann's "de-gaying" resort last year.

MSM isn't touching on the gay thing. The leader of the AUF Labor Party youth league is Eskil Pedersen, the first openly gay leader.

Seems like the right-wingers would be all over that that and nobody is touching it. Whoever was giving the orders is probably the reason why they are isolating Breivik and silenced him in court from quoting his manifesto. They think he is bluffing, saying things in code for others to decipher. Britain has a 'terror alert' for travelers going to Norway today.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:32 pm 
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I am not buying into this they called his name three times crap. There is no way to prove or disprove that. Leave it to Watson to bite on that bullshit.

Norway gains nothing by this. Who the hell tried to gain favor for a message by shooting children? Bombing the government I can understand not condone but understand. Shooting kids at a camp is what you do when you're completely crazy or trying to set someone else up.

All these prominent neocons were visiting Norway out of the blue this month. They were told to stick it by the government so who were they meeting with then?

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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:27 pm 
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Kept seeing Gladio get tossed around by some of the kooks so I didn't think too much about it till now

What's interesting to me, and this could all be nothing, is the fact that Operation Gladio was exposed in Italy. 20th century organized crime, which Israel is strongly linked to, is from Italy.

An Italian MEP is praising the attack on Norway: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/07/482690.html

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MEP spoke about the Norwegian massacre fearing dark purpose of world forces who are interested in criminalizing the ideas of the aggressor, that for him, however, are profoundly healthy


http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/07/482672.html

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This warfare planning group was linked to NATO, the Pentagon and the CIA and operated completely outside democratic control from the nationally elected legislators. It made a joke of national sovereignty.

These secret soldiers were trained on remote islands in the Mediterranean and in unorthodox warfare centres in England and in the United States by the Green Berets and SAS Special Forces. The network was armed with explosives, machine guns and high-tech communication equipment hidden in underground bunkers and secret arms caches in forests and mountain meadows. In some countries the secret army linked up with right-wing terrorist who in a secret war engaged in political manipulation, harrassement of left wing parties, massacres, coup d'états and torture.

Codenamed 'Gladio' ('the sword'), the Italian secret army was exposed in 1990 by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to the Italian Senate, whereupon the press spoke of "The best kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II" (Observer, 18. November 1990) and observed that "The story seems straight from the pages of a political thriller." (The Times, November 19, 1990). Ever since, so-called 'stay-behind' armies of NATO have also been discovered in France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece and Turkey. They were internationally coordinated by the Pentagon and NATO and had their last known meeting in the NATO-linked Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) in Brussels in October 1990.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

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'You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."


From the Wikipedia article on Gladio:

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British journalist Philip Willan, who by 2010 writes for the UK Guardian and UK Observer, is the author of the book Puppetmasters: The Political Use of Terrorism in Italy, describing how US intelligence services relationship with a masonic lodge used to prop up Christian Democrat governments , undermining the growing political influence of the Italian Communist Party.


The Labour Party is socialist. Breivik is a Freemason (not Knights Templar.. LOL). Also from the wiki:

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After World War II, the UK and the US decided to create "stay-behind" paramilitary organizations, with the official aim of countering a possible Soviet invasion through sabotage and guerrilla warfare behind enemy lines. Arms caches were hidden, escape routes prepared, and loyal members recruited: i.e., mainly hardline anticommunists, including many ex-Nazis or former fascists, whether in Italy or in other European countries. In Germany, for example, Gladio had as a central focus the Gehlen Org — also involved in ODESSA "ratlines" — named after Reinhard Gehlen who would become West Germany's first head of intelligence, while the predominantly Italian P2 masonic lodge was composed of many members of the neofascist Italian Social Movement (MSI), including Licio Gelli. Its clandestine "cells" were to stay behind (hence the name) in enemy controlled territory and to act as resistance movements, conducting sabotage, guerrilla warfare and assassinations.


I have to say... It fits


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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:45 pm 
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Kept seeing Gladio get tossed around by some of the kooks so I didn't think too much about it till now

Kurt Nimmo at infowars did it, too. Without mention of Israel, of course.
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Breivik is obviously a patsy for a Gladio operation to destroy political opposition to the bankers. Operation Gladio was a “strategy of tension” devised by the elite that employed terrorism – assassination and bombings – to discredit political opponents in Europe. It was set-up by the CIA and staffed in part with former members of Mussolini’s secret police.
http://www.infowars.com/evidence-shows- ... alse-flag/

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