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Let's have it. This will be called the Evidence debate.

Any Illuminati theorist who would like to give us EVIDENCE of real people with real names being behind the war in Iraq or 911 is welcome to state their case and show us the evidence.

Renaming Zionists as illuminati people is not going to work. Show us non-zionists who took part in 911 and or the war in Iraq or Lebanon and how they are part of the illuminati.

This is going to be fun. I dont want a long history of what you think the illuminati is as there are already about 50 definitions. Just show us who did 911 who planned it and did it and how and show us who lied us into war with Iraq. And you have to show how it was the illuminati.

I will then give my theory that is was carried out by Zionists and give real names court cases and evidence to back that up.

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I have a feeling no one is going to show for this.

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awe bummer, I was hoping for someone to at least stand up for the nonsense they keep spouting off about...haha

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theres no such thing as illuminati people as such-

its basically an ideology in my opinion....-


it enmeshes zionist elitist ideology, neo-con straussian ideology, ancient elitist ideologies- perhaps preserved by aristocratic families, perhaps with cultish sects with rituals that come in many flavours and groups in the masonic orders- some more ideologically extreme that others, many of which are just social clubs...... but i wouldnt doubt that there are anti religious- or even people who worship the good of evil in thier eyes- that evil does ultimately benefit the world, so they engage in taboo, in direct contravention of the concept of god, to free their mind from faith and morality and engage in negative philosophic truths of realism over relativism, nature over rational truth, rule of strong over the weak, and devine right of brutality and tyranny to rule over shared national liberalism,

they craft control through deception and fear- a long running convention spanning back before the peloponssesion wars, between athens (a democratic nation) sparta (a nation ordained by the god, totalitarian, realist in perspective, and haters of relative philosophy)

to cut a long story short they believe its the fate of nature for power to seek power and that this will always be the case- and that to maintain the nation (or in the US's case the world) they must be above the law, reule through fear, nationaliism and religiosity independent of orthodoxy or fundementalism that seek relative morality......


so you give evil a chance, and peace and material interest prevails. for honor glory prestige respect distinction etc etc....

basically its like the ideology of the darkside of the force- like in starwars to make a crude analogy (sorry) the rule of the wise employs evil to prevent liberal decay...

but this instead is just really an orderly for of decay with a hierachical form of or order and control in that hands of oligarchic aristocrats that subvert democracy from within and demand self sacrifice for the glory of nation and god.....


wether theres satanism involved is a case of opinion- but i'm highly in favour that theres satanism going on as through the struassian zionistic ideologies its kinda justified...

world ecoomics is the flipside of the puzzle, and i would agree highly controlled by zionism, best place to start is the money masters, research on the banker jacob shiff, and the creation of israel, through thier deals with governments, the balfour declaration...

oh and i dont know if that bohemian grove stuff is true- i watched it- the rituals might not have any significance to those that were there, but the sort of things the liturgies lets call them were glorifying were very anti-moral in nature....

if that goes on but very much deeper in certain circles, its not hard to conclude it exists.....

if dick cheney and reagan and nixon and bushies go there then you can only connect dots, theres so much secrecy that it should be taken as it is without any so called "bonefied conspiracies" and paranoid pricks touting their usual bulshit....


point is does it matter if iluminati exist?

the age of the illumination as i looked at from wikipedia and else where, wuld make sence in the overall intellectual technology of international power mongers to increase their strategising fantasies and shaping of the world and its perceptions...

i dont think theres much we can do but maintain our sence or morality and rationality and hope that will bite the ultimate realists, decieves are corporate hedonists in the ass, and that some good will come of it- for now we are just witnesses to injustice and crime something perpetrated through these secret theological based societies/ prevailing elitist ideologies.

we will all die one day regardless- i say the biggest achievement we can go for is to extend a hand to those most suffering, and not succumb to bellicosity of the crafted status quo....

The question is not does an illuminati exist of course they do when you stretch the word to basically mean bad people and power seekers.

The challenge is, by using evidence and real names of actual people show how the illuminati is behind 911 and the War in Iraq.

Illuminati can not just mean "the elite" or "the greedy" that's commonssense, of course greedy power people did this, so what? That's a meaningless statement. It does nothing to offer who did what or how to prevent it.

I'm not seeing the Athiest cheering this war, I am seeing the Born Again Christians and fanatical Jews out there on the pro-Bush side of the protests. And as far as Satanics go, they would have to be Christians to even believe there was a devil existing to even worship and secondly unless you think they are secretly satanic but call themselves Christians, just who are these poeple let's have a name. Because I got a list of Neocons and not one of them is secular or a devil worshipper. They believe in their own warped version of god as did the Crusaders and the bigots that killed the Native Americans. They were not Devil Worshippers they were just bad Christians. (and that would include the Popes.)

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i think of illuminati like this

you have the enlightened and the illumined

illumination for me is like the opposite of enlightenment

an illumination come out of the dark (the darkness representing the cold truth of nature )

enlightenment is the revelation of the devine truth (a true god, or a highler spiritual truth)

to be illumined you dont have to believe in god- but it doesnt stop those with a so called understanding of the world, position, or material knowledge trying to imitate the qualities of god-

omnipresence, omniscience ect etc, they see it as thier devine right and role in the world as the powerful to rule over the weak or vulgar masses...



i dont know if any of the topmost neo-cons worship the devil- maybe willam kristol and irving kristol or staussian dicipals-

why do i say that- becuase its the struassian ideology as passed from leo struass that people (gentlemen) like bush are ripe for manipulation of thier noble position, honor and prestige and sought after distinction...

now if you got smart people in the bush admin who have a very acedemic view of good and evil and their struassin branded truth of it, then i wouldnt see it as hard that the ones that are inclined not to be atheist, are not going to be followers of god seeing the shit they do- so it would be easier for them to celebrate evil and engage morally taboo things......

we obviously know nothing about their personal live- what sort of activities can these most unscrupulous of people get up to- what do they do to amuse themselves- they are like the worlds most immoral people and the straussian doctrine justifies it-

so if theres any satanic elements involved in any facet of power politics or power aristocracies whats to stop such people adopting the struassian ideology (which is popular) and that is conducive to satanic principals,

its not like struass was ever against the control of religiosity over people- religiosity cant exist for such immoral people unless it has some satanic pricipals involved....



the way i describe it heer is like how scientists can say what a atom looks like even though theres no microscope that can actually see a physical atom, but people delineate and accept on faith an atom is what scientists say it is.......

i'm no authority on anything- i'm too smart to wallow in that shit...



look at my post here on my perspective of the hijacking of religiosity for neo-con purposes...

http://www.the-magicbox.com/forums/showthread.php?p=334308#post334308

the arab brand of islamic religion is perfectly acceptable for one... one day they will become the christian right of the middle east...

I'm not certain how familliar the members on this board are with the work of Myron C. Fagan, the man who started all of this talk about the Illuminati in the 1960's. Any debate on this topic should start by examining Fagan's original recordings exposing the Illuminati/CFR.

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K that's your speculation about Satan.

Now, Kristol and the other Jews who run the CFR are all admitted and open Zionists. I can give you countless refferences to their veiws on Israel.

Who wrote PNAC? The same people who wrote the Israeli Clean Break papers.

PNAC was first written in Israel. It was Paul Wolowittz, Richard Perle, Lewis Libby, Douglas Feith, Bill Kristal (CFR) and Elliot Abrams (CFR) Aaron Friedberg also (CFR) Donald Kagan (CFR) Stephen Rosen (the AIPAC employee caught spying on the US!!) All Zionists and all Jewish. That's not anti-Semetic it's just the truth and what that means is they have dual citizenship and put the another nation's interests ahead of the US.

It's not "the devil" Its Zionist Judaism. It's not a secret, you don't have to speculate. They all opnely admit that they are Zionists and their track record speaks for itself. I mean come on they wrote the paper calling for Greater Israel. These people are leading the Zionist movement. You can't get any more Zionists than that. Oh and Add to that People like Rosen of APIC Israel's largest lobby being a PNAC author and getting caught spying on the US for Israel. Can the picture be made any more clear now that you are looking at Evidence instead of wild speculations?

I have plenty of other evidence to prove how the Zionist took us to war in Iraq and how the Israeli Mossad was part of the patsie frame up and how and when they were in the towers on 911.

But I will hold off until I hear the rest of this illuminati junk.

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Obviously the Neocon/Zionists are a big part of the equation but what of the Christian Zionist footsoldiers? Also, the Military Industrial Complex. Clearly we have a very diverse group with a common purpose - WAR, WAR, & WAR.

illuminati is the general definition for any secret society.

so yes, i bet they laugh when people start talking about "the illuminati". However, I did find this web site, maybe you can tell me what it means Ry.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_soc ... ieties.htm

I found this article particularly interesting because he admits to being a member of "the illuminati" which i found odd because if that were true i don't think he would have been writing what he did in the first place but who knows. if you betray someone they are likely to do likewise.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_soc ... minati.htm

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nah, i gotta be honest. hadn't spent much time on that site when i found it, jsut read that one article. well, i just went and read a few more and the site smells like dog pile. its rubbish.

to support your claim Ry, I had heard talk of "the illuminati" when i first started in on my research for truth but none of it could be proven and i quickly dismissed it. however, what do you know of freemasonry? it doesn't really seem like they're the operating force either but they certainly do exist, are a secret society who practices occultism past a certain degree and has had / still has members in US government.

i love double-posting (no i don't, sorry)

just read part of that Myron C. Fagan article. i'll have to finish the read later but he makes some interesting points and links and incorporates like all the other secret societies which is interesting. if illuminati means secret society then wouldn't it make sense to be a part of ALL the secret societies or at least as many as you could 'infiltrate'?

i'll have to run checks on Myron's references, at least he cited some of them gonna go to sleep soon but i look forward to a reply Ry. i still can't totally rule out the existance of the illuminati yet, but i'm also not gonna be obsessing over it either.

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i forgot, i read this today also, take a peek
http://www.sjgames.com/SS/

some company was making a game about the illuminati and got raided. if there was no illuminati then why so raid?

I think the illuminati theories come from christians having to have some other explanation for why people are less and less interested in their religion than it being a load of archaic morally retarded nonsense.

The Myron C Fagan article was one of the first I ever read which led to an interest in the "conspiracy world."

Two of the most telling things for me were that while the interview was given in 1967, he accurately predicts the WW3 will be started by America "fomenting the tensions between the Zionists and the Muslim world."

He also accurately predicts that there will be false flag terror attacks upon America by it's own government to induce a state of mind conducive to the idea of war in the Middle East.

I used to be a fervent believer in the Illuminati and do still occasionally use the name but for me it is more of an umbrella term used to describe the people who direct world events from behind the scenes.

It's connected as Ill explain later. No one finances the MIC more than ZIonisy Christian Churches. They are tax free and each sect gives Billions to Israel every year some even tens of billions, by investing in the corporate side of the occuapation in the MIC.

The civilian leaddership in the pentagon is something you might want to look at and Perle's special group.

No time late for a meeting write later.

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The Illuminati was created by Adam W, Im sure you are well aware.

Adam W was a Jesuit.
Adam W created the Illuminati as an invisible arm of the Jesuits.
During his time the Jesuits gathered a nasty reputation for infiltration and had been forced out by most civilised societies.

In the late 18th-early 19th centuries, Freemasonry was popular (as were many fraternal organizations), and its most significant opponent, the Roman Catholic Church, opposed its open support for freedom of religion and enlightenment ideals.

Enter Adam Weishaupt, who created the Illuminati in 1776 to infiltrate the American Freemasonry.

Adam W claimed hewas no longer with Jesuit Society, but it is far more likely that he remained loyal and created a sister organization that would be free of her tarnished image. The Illuminati in essence was just a subsidiary of the Jesuits, although its participants had no idea for the most part. But the enilightened ones served Adam W and Adam W served the Black Pope.

So Adam W created the Illuminati to infiltrate such groups as the Freemasons without the Illuminati or masons realizing that it was really Jesuits behind it all. Much like how the Mossad and CIA uses the orgainziations like the ISI so that Al-Qaeda patsies dont know they are really doing business with the devils they are sworn against.

The Jesuits also created all the cool ism's... Zionism, Nazism, Communism...
They created the communist party from the begining as an attempt to bring the Czar of Russia down.
And supposedly the Mad Monk Rasputin may have been a Jesuit agent working to undermine the Czar.

And we know now of the Catholic Churches complicity to the crimes being commited by the Nazi party, hell Hitler wouldnt have rose to power if it were not for the Catholic Church and the Nazi supporters here in the states, like the Bush family.

So while people are wrong to say that Illuminati is responsible for the worlds troubles, they still are partially right. As the Illuminati was created by those that really are at the source of all the trouble. The Jesuits.

Zionism is one of the final layers, but its not the last.
The very last layer is the Black Pope and his Jesuit soldiers.

Zionist is just like the Illuminati.
Its not really an organization, its more of a classification of a group of people and their mindset, a political movement. But it goes deeper than politics. Jewish Zionists, and Im speculating, are being led for the most part by Jews who may have accepted Chirst as their messiah and are knowingly or unknowingly working on behalf of the Catholic Church.

I mean we do have a president who thinks god speaks to him and that the end of the world is here. Look up Rolling Stone, Tim Lehay and Bush and see if you can find the article on Bush that shows how he was chosen to be president by these creepy Apocalyptical wishful thinkers.

If you have ever seen the re-release of the Manchurian Canidate, Zionists are like Meryl Streeps character, doing their evils for what they think is the greater good. But where do Zionists get their diehard ideals? From their church leaders.

Jewish Zionists couldnt have pulled off 9/11, only the corrupt Christian/ Catholic assholes in charge of this government could have.
The Jewish Zionists did however know of this plot, and may have even helped engineer it at the highest levels.

But at the very highest level who could have authorized it? Not by a guy like Ariel Sharon.
The Jesuits control our government, but all the blame falls on Israel. Just like how Bush blamed the bad intel on the Brits. All evidence is going to point to Israel and the invisible hand behind the scense will go unnoticed.

But they really dont like the Jews much more than the Arabs if you looked at the Jesuit oath, which states...

in order to further their cause they are to become so lowly as to become a Jew so they may preach from their pulpit.

And thats exactly what they did. That is where Zionism came from.
Compare these supposed protocols of Zion to the Jesuit oath, its either plagarism, or the Jesuits wrote it themselves, either to cause anti-semitism at the time, or the protocols or a variation of it does really exist, in which case it was still in all likelyhood written by the Jesuits.

Another is to rip the baby of the infidels from their mothers wombs and smash their skulls.
Praise Jesus.

Now if we want to talk real names of the individuals involved in 9/11 lets start with Jerome Hauer, Stephen Hatfield, KROLL, AIG, Mayor G, Cheney, Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, Libby and Rummy.

i already know about the plame affair, and the fact they are all zionists-


but from a religious persons perspective it look demoniac- even if they dont know it or are inherently athiest but believe evil is for the greater good-

wolfowitz, kristol and co all openly have said it-

wolfowitz and many others in the neocon establishemt were students or of the school of the philosopher leo strauss, they obviously believe in evil- becuase they justify it under an ideology called "hyper realism" that using evil and power is a reality of power and it is the right of the strong to rule over the weak, and saying evil is not bad becuase evil is inherant to power, so now they have justified evil is good.

its an ideology highly adopted by donald kagan and he learnt that from shulsky who learnt it from struass, being a self confessed follower of his doctrine...

it the thing that connects all the neo-cons together in their ideology,

kristol also believes in the "sugar coated realism" ideology which basically is the incorporationg of hyper realism into neo conservative politics and dressing it with faith in gods and topping it with a layer of nationalistic pride.....

its about using religiosity and the celebration of family values to dupe americans into accepting the neo-cons new responsibility in the world, basically to keep things interesting and giving america a revolutionary mission that will give ordinary people a new meaning in life, and take america out of the clutches of democratic liberalism,

this is all being done to accomplish the removal of limits placed on government power that has traditionally been a liberal mechanism, and by turning civil liberties and human rights against itself by getting americans to adopt terrorism as a reality and let them themselves renounce that which keeps americans free.

struass advocated the "subverting of democracy from within" doctrine- as a neccassary good- a "noble lie" a "pious deception" that will ensure the outright control of the "wise few" those who command the gentemanly class of citizenry, those highest in status and prestige, who are full of honor and clamour for distiction, polluted in egocentricity and a warped sence of faith in god and country are the perfect pawns to carry out the whims of the neo-cons agenda for a new american cultural revolution- the neo-cons send them the messege that they should rule becuase of thier qualities, then they go into dream state and just follow the struass doctrine as presented by the more advanced straussian neo-cons.

to create a nationalism and a passion for americas role in the world- thier plan for radical change- to create the naccessary drive for the new american century, to leave behind the liberal "feel good era" and accept the new republican conservative "era of responsibility"

An era of stability, heirachy, subservience, authority, dicipline, and conformity....

by the way leo strauss the father of this highly popular doctrine in acedemic communities and spawning the school of students most of whome are given direct entry into the halls of power... IS ALSO A ZIONIST.... he also had run ins with many influential people like edward L bernays- nephew of sigmund frued who is the father of the modern PR industry.....

read up on this guy- his doctrines and philosophies has a definate marked impact on the actions and policies of the bush administration- its like leo strauss wrote the script-

read political ideas of leo strauss by shadia b drury- have you watched the "power of nightmares"? the one about osama bin laden and fake terrorism? leo struass is mentioned quite throughly and the program even nabbed some candid interviews with kristol, pearle and co on thier thoughts on leo strauss and how much of an impact his politics had on current neo-con affairs- infact its the prevailing ideology of the neo-cons..... its the best way to learn thier psychology....

Orwells Ghost

nice long rant without any evuidence or sources and nothing not a thing about 911 or the war in Iraq.

Communism and Nazism were not created by the same people and ZIonism is much older than Adam W.

Kristol Wolfowitz and Kagan are all Jews. Its not satan its just the Jewish religion. Religion is sick. Yes tit is evil, but that does not make it devil worship. If you want to measure evil deeds then the Jews have a long way to go before even being close to the wicked things Christians have done to people all over the world.

WHat you're doing here is trying to paint ZIonists as Satanic (because they do evil stuff and follow Leon Strauss) and then call the satanic group the illuminati. Basically its yet another way of just re-naming the ZIonists the illuminati. WHich I stated in the forst post that was not igoing to work.

I can give you clear evidence way beyond just the Plame Affair and AIPAC spy rings and Atta double which show how the Zionist created this war and the Mossad made 911 happen. But I will hold my tongue still until I can get some more illuminati folks in here to try and gove a case of their cult like theory which orgininated from Protestant preachers.

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Your rant is equally impressive.
Im not saying the Zionists are Illuminati...
Im saying the Zionists are being manipulated by the same people that manipulated the Illuminati, which is the Jesuits and the Catholic Church.

You are making out my rant as if I think of the illuminati as the source of all evil, when I clearly said it was the Black Pope. You can stop short of the truth if you would like and blame it all on Zionists if you wish.

You keep saying your going to give your own evidence, but knock myself for not listing all my evidence in 1 post. I already know of all your evidence you are hinting at and Im telling you it goes deeper. These things you think you know, isnt as much as you are professing them to be.

Prove to me the Mossad made it happen.
Prove that they were the ones conducting the 6 seperate war games going on that day that allowed 9/11 to happen.
Prove that the Mossad was able to cover it all up after the fact.

The proof is in the pudding, so wheres your pudding?

What the Mossad is guilty of is coming across the intelligence through its spying inside the United States, this information included the specifics of 9/11 and didnt share it.

So... if the Mossad came across this intelligence, then that would mean they didnt hatch the plot.

You say they made it happen, I say they chose a comfy place to sit to watch it all from the sidelines.

In addition, Im sure what you meant to say was Leo Strauss, not Leon, but I never even brought him up, so Im not sure where you get Im saying Satan did it along with the follwers of Strauss.

And yes Wolfowitz is a Jew, so is Feith and Perle, whom I also brought up. Youre not telling me anything I dont already know. But just because they are Jews does not mean Jews are responsible for 9/11. You are equating all the Jewish people with Zionists just like you claimed I was doing with Zionists and the Illuminati.

These Zionists may be in cahoots with the real planners, but they are just a convenient tool that wanted to achieve the same goals and didnt have the authority to give the go ahead on something so massive without oversight.

And by the way Zionism is not older than Adam W, modern day Zionism came in the late 1870s with massive help from Lord Walter Rothschild in their first attempt to settle Jews in Palestine when it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

And yes, Communism and Nazism were created by the same people, the Catholic Church. Its ommitted history. But still history none the less.

I await your evidence, then perhaps I will show you how the Jesuits is connected to the JFK assassination. Clue: Cardinal Spellman.
Other clues: Vatican Assassins. Pharmacratic Inquisition.

You have to first understand that the people responsible for 9/11 are the same ones responsible for JFK, and even JFK Jr for that matter.

Like I said to my GF about this JonBenet Ramsey case with this Mark Karr confession, dont count your chickens before the eggs have hatched.

You want key names for 9/11?
I thought you were asking about the Illuminati and Zionism, silly me.

Key names of individuals and corporations involved in 9/11....(in no particular order)

AIG
Marsh and McClellan
KROLL
Jerome Hauer
Stephen Hatfield (Anthrax)
George Bush (both, Jr to a lesser degree.)
Dick Cheney
Don Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
Richard Perle
Douglas Feith
Scooter Libby
Mayor Giuliani
Hammerin Hank Greenberg
CIA
FBI
ISI
Mossad
British Intelligence
Huffman Aviation
Wally Hilliard
Personel in the FAA
Larry Silverstein
FEMA
Several banking institutions like the BCCI
Heads of Counter-Terrorism
Whomever placed the put options
The companies involved in the hundreds of millions of credit card fraud leading up to the attacks.

Most of this evidence can be seen in 1 film...
www.wkjo.com

So it would be sort of redundant for me to link everything all nice and pretty. Just go, watch and take notes. Then tune in to 9/11 Synchronicity, hell call in. Call Richard Grove, he can lay it all out for you much better than I. He will probably steer clear of the Jesuit connection for now, but he got the best grasp on all of this than anyone else I have come across.

Want his number?

That would be the entire rest of this website here here here and here and my book too.
The oil does not go to the Vatican it goes to Israel. The money that finances the illegal military occupation of Palestine does not come from the Catholic Church it comes from Protestant Christian Zionists. You are falling for disinformation brought to you by Protestant preachers like Tex Marrs and Ted Pike.

Wake up. The Mossad was in the towers prior to 911. (posing as art students and urban movers) Fox pulled a 4 part report on the large Israeli spy ring.

The Mossad was caught on the day of 911 cheering and had a hit with the bomb sniffing dogs in their van which had an address of a moving company on in in New Jersey that ended up being a empty wearhouse whose owner fled to Israel.

Atta had a double and was seen on the Zionist Jack Abarmoff:s casion ships on Sep 5th. PNAC was written by the same people who wrote the Israel Clean Break papers. They also overlap with the people in the CFR and they practially are all Jewish too (25 out of 27).

Silverstien another Jewish Zionist was the new owner of the WTC buildings. He was in on it.

The Anthrax letters that came after the attack said death to Israel and Death to America. The Evidence however showed the Anthrax could have only come from three places because of its caliber, Israel, the US or Russia. They tried to blame it on an Egyptian but they messed up their story.

Someone tried this before in 1993 during the first WTC bombing where an Egyptian patsy recorded his conversations with the FBI who were telling him to go park the van and it was only a drill.

Israel also pulled a false flag operation in the Lavon affair but their plot was foiled. Israel also attacked the USS Liberty and tried to blame that on Egypt as well, but there were survivors so that story din:t work either and they changed their story and said they attacked the US ship by mistake. Yeh right with unmarked planes.

AIPAC (Israel's largest lobby) has been caught red handed spying on the US and their court date is set for October yet the date has been moved three times. Don't confuse that with the ADL spying or the Fox New Report on an Israeli spy ring this is a THIRD spy ring.

The OSP a nearly all Jewish faction in the DOD is who fabricated evidence od WMDs to start a war with Iraq something they called for in PNAC.

Lewis Libby who is Jewish and a PNAC author ousted the CIA agent Valarie Plame and by doing so also her front company BJA and all the agents who used it, in order to destroy our ability to track Uranium. This was to try and cover up the lies about the acquistion of Uranium. He has resigned.

We got concrete evidence of a forgery concerning the claims that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake Uranium from Niger.

The information AIPAC was stealing pretained to Iran and we all know it is ISRAEL calling the loudest for a war with Iran.

Want some names?

Who wrote PNAC?

PNAC was first written in Israel. It was Paul Wolowittz, Richard Perle, Lewis Libby, Douglas Feith, Bill Kristal (CFR) and Elliot Abrams (CFR) Aaron Friedberg also (CFR) Donald Kagan (CFR) Robert Kagan(CFR) Stephen Rosen (the AIPAC employee caught spying on the US!!) Eliot A. Cohen (The guy saying the Walt/Mearsheimer papers on APIC are Anti-Semitic), Paula Dobriansky, Fred C. Ikle, and Norman Podhoretz, All Zionists and all Jewish. That's not anti-Semetic it's just the truth and what that means is they have dual citizenship and put the another nation's interests ahead of the US.

We can see what Israel is doing in Lebanon and how they pan to drag us all into a wider war once the international force arives Israel will spark up another war to spill over into Syria and Iran.

How can you NOT see the Zionist face on all of this. They wrote what they planned on doing and then they did it. Don:t blame this on the Catholic Church. Dont listen to Protestan preachers when they talk about any other religion and that goes for blaming Catholics or the Devil or Athiest or Muslims ect.

Truth is the Protestant came about as a divide from the Catholics because the Catholic Church outlawed Usuery. The Protestants have had a Jewish Alliance and they milk that conlfict dry through the Military industrial complex.

The Mossad is not the Zionists that is like saying the CIA is the Neocons. Zionism is greater than the Mossad. And Zionists were conducting war games. And My theory is not "the zionists" it is as it is written in my book on the cover, it's the Neocons AND the Zionist camarilla. There are people in the MIC who went along with the war in Iraq to profit from it. They have overlapping interest with the Zionist. But they were not the same as those who rigged 911. You also dont have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. Jeb and George Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are not Jewish but they are Born Again Christian types who tow the Zionist line for as I already said nobody support Zionist more than Protestant Christians.

Also the Federal Reserve and the WTO are both headed by Jewish Zionists. The Rothchilds family everyone like to talk about is also Jewish and also Zionist they were key in the creation of the Israeli state.

You don't have anything to refute this evidence and you don't have any solid evidence about Iraq or 911 and the Catholic Church (black Pope etc) who by the way condemned the war in Iraq. You have been listening to classic Christian bullshit. I hope you don't think Christmas and Easter are from Christian origins as well. They pervert history.

LBJ killed JFK on behalf of the MIC and warmongers JFK fired from the CIA. It was LBJ who allowed Israel to attack and US ship to try and justify a war in the Middle East on Israel's behalf. Zionism is older than 1870. It's been around since Biblical times of Samson killing 1000 Philistines (Palestinians). Before the Catholic Church or Christianity even existed.

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Ry, instead of you sitting there and holding your tongue like you said, why don't you just let me hold it?? Haha. I dont think it really matters what you would call anyone...whether it be Illuminati (they do exist. I used to know a woman from New York who was one...) or Zionists or whatever...evil is evil. When one does wrong knowingly which will harm or kill others he might as well be a follower of the devil. Following in the footsteps of evil is doing satans work. Planning a demolition of a building while understanding that many people will thus be sacrificed in order to put ones plan of action into place is the doctrine of lucifer.
I dont honestly feel swayed by where they worship or even if they worship, there is way more going on than we are seeing...there was a band named Diamond Reo, out of Pittsburgh back in the seventies and one of their hits was called, "Aint what you say, its what you do" in which Frank Tyker sang, "Well she took my money, and blew away my time. New me on long distance only when it was my dime. I sucked on each and every word. How could I be so blind? Talk is cheap and someday she's gonna find...oh its true. It aint what you say, its what you do..."
Pointing fingers and fabricating fables went out with the brothers Grimm.
When will president Bush do anything praiseworthy for the common people? It takes integrity to understand what is right and what is wrong. I believe that Bush was always the wimp who let other stronger personalities chart his course for him. Unfortunately it is still going on.

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It matters because one is linked to the ZIonist movement which is real and observable just look at Palestine and has a tracable money trail back to Protestant Christian churches. And they other group blames amouphus people with no names and claims of satanism or the black pope or a germanic death cult or a bavarian free mason group, or atheists they have like 6 or 7 different origins of the illuminati all blaming the problems of the world on Protestant enemies.

Its important to me that people know who did what and how. And the ties to religious instiutions shuold be known and the ties to the fascist state of Israel should be made clear because they are the reason why we fight.

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Orwell ghost why did you just make a quote of my post and not reply naything to it? Were you just showing blondbomb that I was not holding my tongue? It was a odd reply. Did you write something and delete it by mistake or something?

I can never get a clear defintion of the illuminati or any evidence with it and 911 or Iraq. The best they ever get is guilt by 6 degrees of association.

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Well that sucks balls.
I put a reply inside your quote after each statement, I put mine in bold, but nothing I wrote shows up.

That really sucks the big one. I spent over an hour typing out responses to each ane every paragraph in that quote.

Screw it.

Lets just get down to the basics...
do you think the NEO-CONs = Zionists?
do you consider them Christian Zionists?

Religious Zionism, which is what we are up against, didnt come into play till the early 1900s. You can say its been around for 3,000 years, but thats just the mentality that Israel should have its own nation, which is what Zionism is defined as.
So sure its been around for a very long time, just like the Muslim Religion, but it was not untill recently that the radical fundamentilst version came into being.

You brought up PNAC and its Zionist members, but PNAC came from the New American Citizen Project that was created by our current Drug Czar, or should I say Drug Kingpin, cause thats what the Bushs Drug Czars are.
Look into daddy Bushs Drug Czar during his first term, he had a multi million dollar Vega habit.

They scale back money for prevention and treatment and send the money from the War on Drugs to ensure the CIAs shady drug trade.
Atta is a current day Barry Seal. In all probablity is still alive and still smuggling drugs.

But Im getting ahead of myself.

The Israel Zionists would not orchestrate a 9/11 without the expressed consent of the NEO-CONs.

Im not saying Zionists arent guilty, Im saying they are partners with the NEO-CONs and the dark cabal of the Catholic Church, joined together for common goals.

The Zionists would not be so bold as to risk their cozy relations with the US, they must have had the NEO-CONs approval.

It was just like with the USS Liberty, we wanted it to be sunk and we had Israel do it so that it could be blamed on Egypt. Thats why we didnt want it investigated, because they attack us for us.

Yes Silverstein is guilty and the Sears tower is next, he bought it back in 04.
And yes the FBI had a hand in the 93 bombing of WTC and supplied Salem with a live bomb when they could have just as easily gave a decoy.

As for the Anthrax attack look up Stephen Hatfield and Jerome Hauer. THEY DID IT. After Hatfield was pinned as the prime suspect was when the Russian and Eqyptian were touted as possible suspects. USAMRIID Fort Detrick Maryland and the SAIC. Military grade Anthrax and the place was demolished by guess who? Controlled Demolitions Inc.
Coincidence?

There is no doubt whatsoever that Zionists were heavily involved.
Im not contesting that.
I just dont think they played any bigger of a role than the NEO-CONs did and I think it was authorized by this Black Pope. Who commands the army of Jesus.

Dont you think its very possible that the NEO-CONs and the Jewish Zionists are so cozy because the Jewish Zionists in question have accepted Jesus as their messaiah?
Thats the definition of a Christian Zionist, a Christian that believes the state of Israel is biblical prophecy and that they commonly believe that to fullfill prophecy a significant number of Jews will accept Christ as their personal savior.

So if you believe that the NEO-CONs are Christian Zionists, and the Jewish Zionists are recieivng these massive donations to Israel, wouldnt the common belief be if you want to get in good with the powers that be to accept their dogma?

And to whom do the NEO-CONs or Chrisitan Zionists serve?
The radical section of the Church.

Opus Dei is real, Jesuits are real.
They are in very high places of power in our government, heads of CIA, FBI, members of the Supreme Court etc.
These people take an oath every year that abolishes all other oathes they may have taken.
They are what JFK tried to warn about in a little heard of speech just before he died. He said our enemy today relies on infiltration instead of invasion, he was refering to the CIA and secret socieities like the Jesuits.
He new the score and they killed him for it.
The order was given by the Black Pope which was relayed by 1 Cardinal Spellman from NY. The CIA was used naturally. E Howard Hunt and all that, George Bush Sr as well. He was in Dallas that day and he did meet with Hoover the following day about the incident. Even though he claimed being named the CIA director he had no ties with the CIA. Even though he was a Bone brother to the recruiter and pops was good friends with the CIA creator Allen Dulles. And he did run an offsore oil drilling company, which was a CIA front, called Zapata Oil 30 miles off the coast of Cuba.

So if you are counting Bush, Cheney, Hauer, Hatfield and company as Zionists then I guess I agree with you to a degree, but who do the Zionists answer to?

I think its a simplified answer and that a darker and even more sinister cabal are pulling their strings, but yes Zionists are very guilty.

Do you know why Alex Jones steers clear of the Zionist angle?
Because he is a Jesuit co-adjutor and so is Charlie Sheen and pops Martin.
Zionism can be led back to the Jesuits.
Thats why Jones only gives up certain information and leads us on a wild goose chase for these global elitists.

Just read the Jesuit oath sometime.
And dont be see quick to discount them and their role they play into all of this.
The new version of Vatican Assassins is coming out soon.
The Google Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1643775425

another link...
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/vatican-ny.html