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Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots  Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:54 pm |
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Ry wrote: blkdog so you are falling back now to say it was a plane but a smaller one because you didn't see enough pictures of the engine." not falling back, my first post on this on the other thred repeated about six times that my thoughts "didn`t mean no planes" and only you had been mentioning missiles, you asked for answers and i gave my opinion that it was hit by a smaller plane from my view over the years of looking at the evidence... "here. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/nopla ... rotor.htmlhttp://911research.wtc7.net/talks/nopla ... essor.htmlhttp://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/wheelhub.htmlhttp://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/diffuser.html" the rotor picture was on public view and is part of the official fema record of photos released... the compressor was introduced at the "20th hijacker" trial in evidence in 2006..not my first stop for untainted evidence and i doubt yours..but i`m not dismissing it. the diffuser was a private release from someone called sarah, it isn`t included in the fema photos of the pentagon...why?...who took it, when and where....who knows?...nobody.. but sarah says it`s said to be from inside the pentagon and it`s on the internet so it must be so...shame fema missed it and only fessed up to the small rotor outside on public view everyone questioned...handy that later anonymous backup photo from sarah turned up..only one photo also that doesn`t prove where it was taken by it`s anonymous photographer... the wheel could be from anywhere and there should be 10, not 1....no scale also, no idea of what size it is.. the only one that is verified as being at the scene that day is the rotor on view outside...the landing gear arm could be off any plane, same for the wheel, rotor and compressor..the only one with scale is the rotor and the firemans leg...which shows it as small...the diffuser photo from the unnamed source and omitted from the official record is suspect at best...that`s being generous..but even if i agree the rotor, compressor, wheel and landing arm were all at the pentagon, none of them are proven to come from flight 77 and all could have come from a smaller jet as the only photo with scale and proven to be at the pentagon suggests, that being the rotor.. "etc just keep hitting next." i`ve been through that thin shill site and i`d rate it with popular mechanics for lack of detail with a dose of deception... "again you have no reason to switch planes" i think the only switching of planes was done in the script when they switched the hit on the pentagon to read hit by flight 77..after it`s transponder was turned off when it was 350 miles from the pentagon heading in the other direction you need to rely solely on the official script to believe that it turned around and was later picked up over washington flying like a military jet and hitting the pentagon with pinpoint precision...they have animation to prove it, nothing more, no verified tracking, no scrambled jets because they weren`t following it because they couldn`t verify the plane, they had radar blips that could be from any plane ..they later picked up and followed an unidentified fast moving aircraft into the pentagon they claimed later was flight 77...then constructed an animated myth to fit the turn around and flight path they couldn`t produce in reality.they promoted the barbara olsen call from onboard that never happened according to the fbi as their proof it was 77...simple really, the only need for flight 77 is the cover story and the only switch was done in the script as the last proven contact with 77 it was 350 miles away and flying away from the pentagon.. , "and your defense for all the evidence of a 757 is to just say everyone is lying. I'm sure you will say the pictures are fake too." i know the official story is a lie and i have no reason to pick out the pentagon as being now a truthful account of the days events, i`ve never seen any real evidence for a 757 over the years and i don`t see any today, i also think if you are really relying on the obvious shill site you keep referencing then yes i think they are lying as it`s chicken feed quality stuff and thin on every level...not much in the way of proof in the others either... "You could have been standing there watching it and would still deny it" yet the only one who described the airline and correct plane according to the script on the scene was the clown from one of the media outlets, he also said he saw the wings fold back on entry..that was after all other reports described a bomb and a fire. if i saw a 757 flying at ground level at 500 mph i`d freak...then duck.. if i saw some military type jet doing the same i`d do the same and probably tell everyone i saw a big plane because it would look big at ground level doing 500 i`d wager...plus the added shock value.. here`s a clearer view of the punch out hole in relation to the impact.. http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/17.jpg .
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Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:51 pm |
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OK, Ry. I know you weren't talking to me, but, I DO READ. I have spent 30 yrs. of my life reading in every library, Repository, and Book Depository in America. I have visited the Library of Congress twice long before there was ever an internet. Of course this was before 9/11 and now have to vette everything through a sifter of reason. As stated in my earlier posts, I take no position on what happened at the Pentagram, other than the facts. FACT 1: A portion of the Pentagon that was under renovation and being reinforced was destroyed on 9/11/2001. FACT 2: Donald Rumsfeld’s announcement on September 10, 2001 that, “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions” FACT 3: The location of the Pentagon "strike" was exactly where the accountants had been set up by Rumsfeld to try and locate the missing Pentagon $trillions, so all the records were conveniently destroyed to hide the fraud perpetrated upon the American people! FACT 4: Not one word has been said by this Administration or the Pentagon since. FACT 5: The reason most people do not believe a 757 crashed into the Pentagon is because of the respect, dignity, and expertise of this one man. http://wn.com/Retired_General_Stubblebi ... by_a_plane! FACT 6: As long as people gripe, bitch, and whine over WHAT destroyed that area and find out WHO and WHY all those innocent civilians and a few Naval Intelligence officers were murdered for, then there will be no true criminal investigation that may avenge their loss, or the loss of their families. Mainly though, we will never catch who orchestrated this tragedy as long as the truth is bogged down by in-fighting over what did the dirty deed. When will people grow up?
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Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:36 pm |
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Quote: Not my witness, Ry. The witness is Jim Miklaszewski, NBC's Pentagon Correspondent, who was in Ring E when there was "an explosion that shooked the windows."
You tell eyewitness Jim Miklaszewski that he is wrong. I will because look  That is not a small explosion. _________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else.
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Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:41 pm |
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Quote: FACT 1: A portion of the Pentagon that was under renovation and being reinforced was destroyed on 9/11/2001. FACT 2: Donald Rumsfeld’s announcement on September 10, 2001 that, “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions” FACT 3: The location of the Pentagon "strike" was exactly where the accountants had been set up by Rumsfeld to try and locate the missing Pentagon $trillions, so all the records were conveniently destroyed to hide the fraud perpetrated upon the American people! FACT 4: Not one word has been said by this Administration or the Pentagon since. FACT 5: The reason most people do not believe a 757 crashed into the Pentagon is because of the respect, dignity, and expertise of this one man. http://wn.com/Retired_General_Stubblebi ... by_a_plane! FACT 6: As long as people gripe, bitch, and whine over WHAT destroyed that area and find out WHO and WHY all those innocent civilians and a few Naval Intelligence officers were murdered for, then there will be no true criminal investigation that may avenge their loss, or the loss of their families. Fact 1-4 are true you need to add to fact for the two of the men principle for the audit that exposed the trillions and had a responsibility to find out where it went Die ON THE PLANE that hit the pentagon as they were on flight 77. Did you know that? No. Fact 5 the reason people deny a boeing 757 is because they are stupid and have been lied to and lack the ability to think for themselves and look at physical evidence. There is no reason to fake a plane and use a missile rather than just using a plane. Fact 6 I put out a wholistic theory not only on 911, but the wars and anthrax attack as well, Before mentioning anything about the plane that hit the pentagon. It's a given that the government used airplanes in the attacks. So it's not a distraction. This is clean up. If you don't think it matters then shut up about it. I say it DOES matter, because this is hiding the drone tech software and how it was acquired annd it also paint the 911 truth movement like a bunch of crazy people which it seems much of it is. It is THE main focus the media takes when it wants to discredit 911 truth. I'm just curious what do the no planers believe happened to flight 77 and all the people on it All I ever hear is nit picking about the physics of the attack which is based on erroneous information. You don't provide a theory at all, there are massive holes in the story once you remove the plane.  _________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else.
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Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:12 pm |
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Ry you are whats wrong with the truth movement. Your ego is getting in the way of allowing your brain to work properly. Are you closed to any ideas that you dont claim you thought of first?
Again you refuted none of what I said, rather just ignored it like always. And nothing but personal attacks again. You and Rivero are killing your own credibility by down playing pilots for 9/11 Truth. Do you think you also know more than the Engineers and Architects for 9/11 truth? Or are they ok because they argree with you, Rivera, and Jones?
I mentioned motive which you ignored. If anyone is incapable of a discussion its you.
Again for the slower learners: The motive was the robbery of the Pentagon the day before 9/11 as stated by Donald Rumsfeld himself. If you knew something about jet liner physics then you would know that it would be difficult not easy to fly a plane into the pentagon manned or otherwise. If someone was going to pull off a caper such as this they are not going to allow the chance of the plane missing its target to screw up their plans. If the plane had missed its target then the evidence of the missing 2 trillion could have been scrutinized.
Further more the official story is that two jet liners struck the twin towers and one the Pentagon. Anyone who supports this idea is in fact supporting the official story. I dont see how this is a strawman, in fact this is a fact.
What exactly is the information that expert pilots and aerospace engineers fell for thats erroneous?
Just because you say there is no evidence doesn't mean there is not. Are you claiming you have equal knowledge and experience that people with PhD's in aerospace physics have?
How do the physics perfectly match a plane crash? Again there were NO crash physics visible in ANY of the videos. NONE. If there were then you would be able to pinpoint where the plane began accordioning and where the tail slowed down. The tail didnt slow and an aluminum plane cant fly through the air at the same speed it flies through the steel reinforced concrete, period.
Also according to Boeings owns specs the max airspeed for the engines for the 767 is 360 Knots, period.
What part of its not possible for the planes to have done what the official story claims they did are you not getting? Forget all your strawman bullshit about the dna, planes, etc. If the planes couldnt have done what they did in the first place then it couldnt have been planes, period.
Further more if they faked the towers collapse as a pancake collapse then why would it be so hard to fake a plane crash? Especially 4 crashes with almost NO debris.
Name calling is not a basis for debate, nor is discounting expert opinion, it just makes you like like a ignoramus.
So are you calling all the expert pilots and aerospace engineers over at pilots for 9/11 Truth stupid? Whats your PhD degree in RY?
You are only making yourself look stupid with this crap. Who are you to discount the testimony of expert pilots and aerospace engineers? If this shit is coming from Rivera perhaps you should do some research for yourself instead of parroting like you claim everyone else is doing.
My argument is solely from the point of view of the laws of physics. Specifically jet liners cant fly as fast as the official story claims they did at sea level nor can a Boeing 767 make such maneuvers manned or otherwise. Further more a jet liner can not fly through steel reinforced concrete at the same speed it flies through the air.
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Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:12 pm |
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Quote: Further more the official story is that two jet liners struck the twin towers and one the Pentagon. Anyone who supports this idea is in fact supporting the official story That absolutely is a strawman. So you don't even think planes hit the WTC either. Wow. that is beyond stupid. Quote: Ry you are whats wrong with the truth movement. Your ego is getting in the way of allowing your brain to work properly.
Are you closed to any ideas that you dont claim you thought of first?
Again you refuted none of what I said, rather just ignored it like always. And nothing but personal attacks again. Look up the word projection. Your whole first paragraph was nothing but personal attacks against me and others with no substance. And I didn't ignore you, I didn't even notice you. And what's this "like always" crap. I've never even talked you, you don't have any prior posts. You're nuts buddy. Supporting the official story lol yeh so 15160 people that read this would disagree. And I first wrote it in 2004. Quote: The motive was the robbery of the Pentagon the day before 9/11 as stated by Donald Rumsfeld himself.
If you knew something about jet liner physics then you would know that it would be difficult not easy to fly a plane into
the pentagon manned or otherwise. If someone was going to pull off a caper such as this they are not going to allow
the chance of the plane missing its target to screw up their plans. If the plane had missed its target then the evidence
of the missing 2 trillion could have been Finally someone attempted to give a motive. Yay. Too bad, Rumsfeld is a liar. It is quiet east to fly a plane into the pentagon as it would be to land on an air strip or carrier and even easier to crash it. Each wall of the pentagon is 921 feet wide. They hit the WTC which was barely wider that the wings of the plane and did it twice, hitting the pentagon is no more difficult. The people on the planes in all four attacks are dead. None of them were fake. That is not to promote the official story it is common fucking sense. You don't know shit about 911. I've nailed who did it and how. It is your ego in the way not mine. You can't give this up because you have invested too much into it telling too many people about the no plane nonsense for years thus it makes YOU look like an idiot when people find out how wrong you are about all of it. And that is why you can't let go of it. and to claim there were no planes in New York is really really insane. Do you know how many people are in New York City at any given time especially 8-9 in the morning? People saw and filmed the planes hitting the towers. I think even the people I have insulted and argued with will back me up there, no one wants to be associated with the no planes in New York nonsense. You are disinformation or mentally ill. _________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else.
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Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:03 pm |
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Actualy Ry. I did know. I know so much more, but you are too close-minded to speak with, and too unshakeable in your beliefs. A beleif is what someone uses to explain things they don't know anything about and have to make up fairy tales to justify their BELIEF. It is sad. You held so much promise.
Believe it or not, tho', this doesn't bring me down. A young man that I know who just came back from Starkville, MS from the college he left down there because it was too boring a place outside of school, has expressed interest in becoming involved in learning the truth. He trusts me to guide him thru the labyrinth of lies to find his own conclusions. He even has his Dad in there with him who has for the first time expressed interest. Both are now very hungry. I first took them on the journey and connections of all the financial interests that culminated in the War of Northern Aggression. All the way thru WWI, 1913, 1933, 1939, all the way thru the Kennedy assasination. The truth, and not just what the govt. schools taught them. As in life, history is never black and white, but varying shades of grey.
You see, I'd imagine once you were that way too. You knew this once, but you have lost that. You show it in your unmitigatd gall and arrogance that permeates this whole bowel movement called Truthers. You all give "truth" a black eye that believes only you have all the answers. Narcissitic, ego-aggrandizing, sophomoric grand standing wanna be gods that KNOW that only their THEORY is the truth! is EXACTLY what is dividing this community. Offense intende, because you have developed the same tactics, mannerisms, and disposition of ALEX JONES.
I have my own theory, but so? They are a dime a dozen. Everbody has a theory, and none of them are correct. Why? Because none are proven. Your's is no better.
Did 77 land in Kentucky when the transponder and radio were turned off and a Global Hawk is what returned to the Pentagon loaded with explosives? Hell, i don't know, because it is just as good a theory as yours. Were the transponder and flight ID changed and it is still flying today under new call signs and tail numbers? Hell, I DON'T KNOW! Did the
64 passengers get put into a nearby Federal Prison Camp, murdered, incinerated, or used as gator bait in Florida? HELL, I DON'T KNOW!
I AM JUST MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT! While most of you Truther's are adolescent schoolyard bullies proclaiming only you know the truth! NO YOU DON'T! YOU WEREN'T THERE! Even the ones that were there aren't sure.
CHILDREN!
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Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:58 pm |
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tyrant_killa wrote: I implore everyone to look at the links to pilots for 9/11 Truth as well as the video called September Clues. LOL! Well, at least you've got those two fraud groups lumped together. I guess that's a start. freedomrox wrote: FACT 5: The reason most people do not believe a 757 crashed into the Pentagon is because of the respect, dignity, and expertise of this one man. http://wn.com/Retired_General_Stubblebi ... by_a_plane! Yea, genius that's who you want to listen to. Stubblebine and Rumsfeld. Lets take a look at who this person is who wants you to call all the witnesses at the scene liars and put forth the idea a missile hit the building, and that a plane didn't. I don't think this helps the truth movement. 1. Gen Stubblebine was head of Army Intelligence he is a spook. 2. Gen Stublebine is in the Army Intelligence hall of fame. 3. Gen Stubblebine sits on the board of several WORLDWIDE DEFENSE contractors. 4. Gen Stubblebine receives money from HOMELAND SECURITY and is part of instituting it's infrastructure. 5. Gen Stubblebine has been involved in mind experiments (mkultra anyone?)involving government intelligence agencies. 6. Gen Stubblebine is NOT part of 911 truth he is an agent So ask yourself, why would a super spook like this want to promote the idea of no plane hit the building and want you to call the witnesses who saw what happened there liars? I think the answer is obvious. Here is just a few examples to prove the points I made. http://web.archive.org/web/200502061310 ... Board.html Read his bio on a CANADIAN DEFENSE COMPANY...... You don't really think he spends his HOMELAND SECURITY money fighting for 9-11 justice do you? http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g ... i_n9091297http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g ... i_n6631977you might find the 5 to 5:30 part of this clip interesting.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB3Qpe_7wuAJ_Miklaszewski wrote: Ry~
Waiting on your response to Jim Miklaszewski's onsite 9/11 Pentagon video. What was the small explosion that Jim heard? This brings up the question...so what? She claims to see a passenger jet fly into the pentagon. Is she "in on it"? She has a theory on the explosions to. So what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIJSXow0 ... re=relatedHe claims a he saw a passenger jet fly into the pentagon. Claims it was an American Airlines passenger jet. Is he "in on it"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PTRsuRao7AThis guy claims it was a "business jet" does that mean the first two I posted are liars and a missile hit? or it "flew over"? He doesn't speak English either. It's called gathering evidence and interviewing witness. Let's Try using some common sense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6VuMHaZ ... re=relatedThis witness said it was an American Airlines 757. Are they "in on it"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh2iFhTYX5sThis guy said he was on a nearby roof, and watched a plane fly into the pentagon. Guess what that means? It didn't fly over it and "fool" everyone. But he must be "in on it" right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HBjxYrh ... re=relatedThis guy said it was a plane, he didn't describe a silly missile theory, no one did. He must be "in on it". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3wzFxd ... re=relatedThis guy said an American Airlines Jet hit the pentagon. He saw it. But maybe the reporter told him what to say huh? He "in on it"? Maybe the media faked the videos of the WTC and there were no planes at all on 9-11? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_z9sCeY ... re=relatedHere is someone that didn't see the plane....OMG! We might have something here! Uh Oh...listen to what she says at the 50 second mark though LOL! She must be an actress huh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyIi7Z3fuhgThis guy lives in an apartment building on the 16th floor he SAW the flyover! Oh wait...no..sorry... he saw a plane fly into the building like everyone else. No one saw a BS missile no planers made up. No one. This guy is sure it was a Boeing 757 American Airlines Jet so he has to be "in on it"? And he is so stupid he f&*ks up and said he thought it hit the ground just before the pentagon. He should have rehearsed the script right? Or maybe....just maybe he like most witnesses get some minor details wrong. Are we allowed to use some common sense? Or is that a cointel jreffer type disinfo stunt? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzBmgsjC ... re=relatedThese eyewitnesses all have something else in common. They are all getting slandered and harassed online by so called 9-11 truthers who can't face reality and the fact that their silly missile or flyover theories are a f*^king hoax. Get a clue. This is not helpful. It is the opposite of helpful. It's also disgusting. Here are a bunch more http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3459052/1/But we all love our videos don't we? Here ya go.... 9/11 Pentagon Witnesses - They Saw the Plane Hit! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfQEwxxV ... _embedded#! And a quick check of the comments to these videos show that so called "truthers" think these ordinary working class Americans are lying operatives. They have to be, or a passenger jet hit the pentagon like all the physical evidence shows. Ordinary working class Americans. The very people we need on our side. Who cares right? Release the Government videos!!! Harassing and accusing these people -- no one does that but so called "truthers". Who is getting "fooled" here? ON 9-11 PLANES FLEW INTO BUILDINGS. No plane at the pentagon is a hoax. Who does it benefit?
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