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 Post subject: POPULATION
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:02 pm 
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In my mind all the worlds current problems all go back to one issue. Overpopulation. If we had a smaller population , say 500 million people how much easier would it be to educate everyone? to feed everyone? I think with a much smaller population then we have now there would not only be less strain on the planet but with proper leadership and direction the human race could reach heights never possible in todays world.

I am not advocating for genocide, I think the only logical way to lower the population is to have government control reproduction and with how inherently corrupt any government is it does seem fairly impossible.

I know the Utopian society idea has been talked about for thousands of years but honestly how much longer can we continue to have the population grow? If anyone has seen idiocracy you know what I mean.

I don't know, it is quite unrealistic yes but sometimes when I hear AJ talking about the NWO and world government I question if it is such a bad thing, I see so much fucking stupidity all around me I sometimes feel that people don't deserve freedom, We are too fucking stupid


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:26 pm 
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In my mind all the worlds current problems all go back to one issue. Overpopulation. If we had a smaller population , say 500 million people how much easier would it be to educate everyone? to feed everyone? I think with a much smaller population then we have now there would not only be less strain on the planet but with proper leadership and direction the human race could reach heights never possible in todays world.

I am not advocating for genocide, I think the only logical way to lower the population is to have government control reproduction and with how inherently corrupt any government is it does seem fairly impossible.

I know the Utopian society idea has been talked about for thousands of years but honestly how much longer can we continue to have the population grow? If anyone has seen idiocracy you know what I mean.

I don't know, it is quite unrealistic yes but sometimes when I hear AJ talking about the NWO and world government I question if it is such a bad thing, I see so much fucking stupidity all around me I sometimes feel that people don't deserve freedom, We are too fucking stupid


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:45 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: POPULATION
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Int'l man of mystery wrote:
Gixxer wrote:
In my mind all the worlds current problems all go back to one issue. Overpopulation. If we had a smaller population , say 500 million people how much easier would it be to educate everyone? to feed everyone? I think with a much smaller population then we have now there would not only be less strain on the planet but with proper leadership and direction the human race could reach heights never possible in todays world.

I am not advocating for genocide, I think the only logical way to lower the population is to have government control reproduction and with how inherently corrupt any government is it does seem fairly impossible.

I know the Utopian society idea has been talked about for thousands of years but honestly how much longer can we continue to have the population grow? If anyone has seen idiocracy you know what I mean.

I don't know, it is quite unrealistic yes but sometimes when I hear AJ talking about the NWO and world government I question if it is such a bad thing, I see so much fucking stupidity all around me I sometimes feel that people don't deserve freedom, We are too fucking stupid


The myth of overpopulation



That video was lame and that article was even worse, maybe I read it wrong as I read it quickly but is the author suggesting overpopulation cannot exist because people , through capitalism solve all the worlds problems? if so that is absolutely batshit insane.

Just because in the last couple hundred years some countries way of life has improved does not mean overpopulation cannot exist, half a million people might have to be born to find someone who will one day invent something that improves our way of life. 99.9% of people will be consumers there whole lives, contributing NOTHING but offspring. The lack of education and presence of religion has set the human race back hundreds if not thousands of years! not the lack of capitalism! cmon man!


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:25 pm 
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That video was lame and that article was even worse, maybe I read it wrong as I read it quickly but is the author suggesting overpopulation cannot exist because people , through capitalism solve all the worlds problems? if so that is absolutely batshit insane.


No, I think the author was suggesting the world is currently not overpopulated.

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Just because in the last couple hundred years some countries way of life has improved does not mean overpopulation cannot exist, half a million people might have to be born to find someone who will one day invent something that improves our way of life. 99.9% of people will be consumers there whole lives, contributing NOTHING but offspring. The lack of education and presence of religion has set the human race back hundreds if not thousands of years! not the lack of capitalism! cmon man!


Religion is inconsequential to the progress of the human race, as progress has occurred, regardless of its presence. It's really the presence of education that matters. Anyone who does work that is in anyway, useful, or beneficial to others besides themselves, is making a contribution. Contributions don't have to necessarily be improvements.

Overpopulation can exist, but it doesn't exist yet. There's currently more than enough arable land to produce food to go around. The problem is mismanagement and corruption, not scarcity.


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 Post subject: Re: POPULATION
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:53 pm 
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Tim wrote:
Int'l man of mystery wrote:
There's currently more than enough arable land to produce food to go around. The problem is mismanagement and corruption, not scarcity.


Can the world sustainably feed 7 billion people? I'm playing devil's advocate, I'll give my opinion in a later post :)


I think so.

The real question, is at what living standard?

I've read somewhere that the world could sustain 4 billion people at the living standard of the US, 16 billion people at Mexico's living standard, and like 60 billion people at the standard of living in Africa's poorest countries.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:01 pm 
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Glixxer we more than have the capacity to feed everyone etc. It's not that we don't have enough food water money etc. It's there. The reason for poverty all over the third world isn't from a lack of resources, it's from the IMF, World Bank and Neo-colonial policies. Also Many nation's populations are shrinking not growing. Russia, Japan, Europe etc are all dying faster than they're reproducing.

Plus people are already here 500 million people is an insane number for the earth. You'd have to kill 5.5 BILLION people. Which is worse then 2 or 3 million starving.

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 Post subject: Re: POPULATION
 Post Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:17 am 
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Well, not a very good standard. Considering right now I read that only 1/3 of the global population has access to clean drinking water and even less have access to three meals a day and proper shelter. If it's a matter of standard of living, than I don't think it's possible. It wasn't possible ten years ago or so, and the population has increased worldwide since then.


Well, I think it could be fixed with better management and less corruption. If the world can produce enough food to feed the world's population, yet people are still starving, then obviously, it's a problem with management. Pollution is only a symptom of mismanagement.

Also, depending on what's polluting the water, it should be possible to distill it.

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However look at Russia. They have had low birth rates for years now. The government even offered to pay husbands to stay home and procreate with their wives and increase the population of their nation. But then we have the third world nations in Africa for example, that have quite a bit of children. I read that the average woman in Yemen has six children, no wonder they have so many people. Westerners don't usually have that many children to begin with. Average I'd say is one or two per family out here.


That's because in developed places, children are an economic liability, so people want to have less of them, while in those developing areas, they are an economic asset, so people want to have more of them.

In terms of population, logically you'd think that:

0-1 child per couple = population decline,
2 children per couple = population maintenance,
while 3+ children per couple = population increase.

I don't think Russia's declining population is a good thing. A chronically declining population is never a good thing, as then it would become endangered.

Undeveloped countries have high birth rates and high death rates, so their population is stable.

Developing countries (upgrading from undeveloped to developed) have high birth rates and low death rates, so their population is unstable.

Developed countries have low birth rates and low death rates, so their population is stable.

Developing countries eventually stabilize, either by regressing back to being undeveloped or progressing to become developed.

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Land is a different story. There is a lot of land left, but the question is can we sustainably harvest crops on it? Russia and US are good examples because they have a lot of land but countries like China have over a billion people living in smaller quarters. Air pollution is terrible, the water is polluted in many areas, the overall standard of living is lower. I'd say land itself is not the question, but if we can raise animals/harvest crops on the soil without destroying acres of fertile land.


Pollution is one of the downsides to industrialization.

In terms of soil:

Yellow Is the New Green

Human waste can make a good fertilizer.


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