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Because not wanting to be a Marxist makes you stupid and stubborn. Right?

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In what way is this marxism? If anything, it's a pathetic excuse for marxism. Marxism, would be single payer, which is what is really needed. This gives marxism a bad name. This is filled with corporate fingerprints. Obama met with health insurance CEO's and drug company CEO's. This is pure capitalism, NOT socialism.

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definately not marxism in it's purest form (or at all arguably). but the government's hand in health care right now is what is making it so bad. why put their hand even further into the cookie jar here? of course if if you think single payer is what's really needed you're obviously not someone who advocates free market ethics. agreeing with Obama that companies should be forced to comply with this totalitarian new system and then saying that implying that it would be the companies' fault for being stupid and stubborn is pretty asinine. i don't see how you could possibly think that the federal government will ever put anything in action that isn't soiled with "corporate fingerprints." how is anything involving taxing and spending "pure capitalism?"

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Free market principles allow huge corporations to bribe members of government to enact laws in their favor. That is purely corporatism, not even REMOTELY socialist. (A socialist system wouldn't even have for profit corporations to begin with to corrupt the system with)

It's not the government's hand that is making it bad, it is the hand of the for profit corporations that are looking out for more money for themselves, NOT for the good of the people.

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IMO theres two things that need to be done immediately to help the health care problem. 1)allow insurers to cover people in other states 2)establish requirements for insuring people with pre-existing conditions. this is as far as the federal government is concerned. if the people of an individual state want to enact a single payer system in their state, that's fine by me. i personally don't want to pay a penny for anyone else's health care though. i've been without health care for almost 10 years, i hate doctors. and making me pay taxes for other people's health care, or even worse, making the fed print out a bunch of money for other people's health care, is just a bunch of crap quite frankly. i've yet to hear any remotely convincing argument why i should have to pay for someone else's health privilages. and i'm not bitter about the fact that no one else has paid for mine for the last 10 years, that's life. if you want the government to pay for all your goods and services, move to another country, sorry. i live here because i like working for my money, and because i believe free markets allow for more freedom of choice and make my life more enjoyable. are there a lot of problems with health care? yes. are they my problems? no. i'm going to save up money so i can pay for my own surgery and operations when i get older.

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WHAT? You just said the government met with business to decide the policy. That's socialism not capitalism. Under capitalism Obama would have no say in the matter.

When businesses get government assistance that's socialism. Socialism doesn't have to be for the benefit of the people. State run business normally don't.

What we have is a PLUTOCRACY and I'm sick of people confusing capitalism and socialism and communism.

Corporate welfare is not free market capitalism, it is mercantilism.

Government creation of quasi monopolies is not free market, it's an aspect of communism. But it's not communism because under communism it goes even further and the government controls private property as well, which they some what do in the US but not all of it YET.

Obama is the largest Mercantile president since Lincoln. He is a complete plutocratic whore. Goldman's bitch is what he ought to be called. We've got a corporate oligarchy (plutocracy) controlling not only foreign policy but the economic policy as well complete with multi billion dollar bail outs to themselves.

This Heathcare reform is any but what the name suggests. It's forced economic burdens is all it is. You will be forced to buy a plan no matter what unless you are an illegal and THEN you can have free healthcare.

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Well said. Resist, Revolt, Reform: You should spend some time here > http://mises.org/about/3223

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It's arguable what kind of system it is, but it is definitely NOT absolutely NOT socialism. I would call it capitalism because the free market allowed for these companies to become so powerful that they hold this power over the president. This is a twisted for of socialism for the rich, where they take from the poor and give to the rich. TRUE socialism is the exact opposite, and these corporations would have never existed in the first place to even have the oppurtunity to meet with Obomba.

I guess plutocracy is a better description, but it's capitalism that allows the plutocracy.

I am aware of many of the problems that exist through obamacare, and I am against his version of it BECAUSE it's in favor of corporations (Still better than the current form. Illegals ALREADY get free healthcare). I am in favor of single payer health care, which is exactly what people call it, "Socialized medicine." and I believe that's exactly what this country needs.



Not in America's case. In this case it's a matter of the richest companies (Who got there through capitalism) abusing the system and buying off politicians, and funding campaigns of those who support their company. The whole idea of a senator or congressman is to try and meet the demands of your district, yet the majority of funding of our house of representatives comes out of state from corporations. Then the corporations get the non elected positions, like Clarence Thomas, from Monsanto. This IS the free market, because in my opinion, it's not really government doing any of this, it's corporations. The government flat out has corporate sponsorship, we are owned by corporations, and without socialism, this will continue to be a problem.



Just like every time a nation has capitalism, the MIC pops up, corporations take control of everything, polluting our planet, killing children around the world, the bank's steal money, and SO much more. What a funny coincidence the way that works huh?



Well I'm very glad for you that you have never been in such a serious situation, but 18,000 people die every year because they don't have medical insurance. There are charity organizations that fly around the world to 3rd world countries providing free assistance for a few days for health care, and this organization has had to go to America! People line up by the thousands for care they couldn't otherwise afford!

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