Anti-Neocons

Yesterday I saw someone with a T-shirt that said something like "It's not nice to hurt your mother" and had a picture of the earth on it.

I like this idea of calling it Mother Earth, it is our mother in a way and is incredible and beautiful in so many ways. The environmentalist movement though has turned off a lot of people and possibly made them more hostile to mother earth than would otherwise be the case. At the other extreme are some libertarians and like minded people who don't like the worship of GAIA and even call the earth a hostile place where life is often short and brutal. This is true in a way, but their opinion of the earth is not balanced and not very spiritual either.

Most environmentalists give it a bad name with all kinds of insanity, while ignoring real solutions. Their biggest problem is believing government can protect their environment. It can't, only when land is held as private property will someone have an incentive to preserve and protect it. The countries with some of the worst environmental records were the communist countries of eastern europe and the soviet union.

Now I'll go out and hug a tree.

A lot of them are anti-civilization, they believe we should all go back to the middle ages when people lived closer to nature and everyone was happier. The problem is this is an illusion, life was short and brutish back then and everyone was dirt poor.

These people never take their own advice, instead they indulge in all the benefits of modern technology. That right there shows that their full of shit.

I don't know a single environmentalists who believes any of the bullshit you are talking about. Those that I know are all rational people who want to stop making the planet more uninhabitable. Where are these crazy environmentalists that everyone always talks about and that I always hear about on TV? I'm starting to wonder if very many of these actually exist outside of bad organizations being fueled by corporate interest to make people who give a fuck about the environment look like crazies.

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"The state breaks everything and then blames freedom.
The state destroys everything and then blames those who interact voluntarily for that destruction."
-- Stefan Molyneux

the earth is naturally going to heat up over time
there was global warming when there were dinosaurs
to say there is zero global warming is also crazy
check out venus

people are not seperate from nature
most environmentalists suffer the same thing as religious people and that is the need for control
I agree with respecting nature much in the same way natives respected the land.
I also agree with regulation on chemical companies and other companies that dump toxic waste into our waters and ocean or soil, but these regulations need to be applied to everyone not just the companies the govt decides to harass.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. For starters how about the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people who believe in the human caused global warming propaganda? Without any serious research (as usual) they believe exactly what the TV and newspapers tells them to believe. They believe everything they hear in An Inconvenient Truth even though it is blatant scare mongering. The irony is that more C02 leads to more plant growth.

It is also well known that they use the state to ram through their agenda's, even when it violates the property rights of others. But that's no surprise they're all lefties that never saw a government program they didn't like. Some of their instincts are good, but they are horribly uninformed.

What do you think is causing the sudden increase in global temperture?
Are you suggesting that we have no impact on the environment? or that scientist are lying about the data that the earth is increasing in temperature very quickly over the past 60yrs?

Average world temperatures went down from about 1940 to 1980, while there was plenty of industrialization going on. In the mid 70's the media tried to scar people with talk of global cooling.

Most climatologists believe temperatures have gone up in the last century, but the generally agreed upon number is about .6 degrees Celsius. Also there's a big difference between what satellites and weather balloons say and what ground stations say. Ground stations that are in the same locations over decades and that are located in and near cities are prone to having their readings affected by the urban island heat effect, whereby temperatures go up the more built up an area is. The IPCC purposely cherry picked data mostly from ground stations that had increases due to the urban island heat effect. Satellite and weather balloon data have remained virtually unchanged since they started using them several decades ago.

The infamous hockey stick graph put out by mann, in which temperatures look like they are spiking only recently has been thoroughly debunked by the scientific community, so much so that the IPCC no longer uses the graph. In fact the algorithms used to make the graph were later shown to be fraudulent, and the graph ignored the medieval warm period and little ice age because it would indicate that weather can change quite a bit with out human contribution.

They have now changed it to "climate change" because recently temperatures are going down and too many people are catching on to this scam.

This is the kind of insanity I'm talking about. At some point you just know they'll want to legislate things like this.

US wants to paint the world white to save energy

LONDON(AFP) (AFP) - US Energy Secretary Steven Chu said Tuesday the Obama administration wanted to paint roofs an energy-reflecting white, as he took part in a climate change symposium in London.

The Nobel laureate in physics called for a "new revolution" in energy generation to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

But he warned there was no silver bullet for tackling climate change, and said a range of measures should be introduced, including painting flat roofs white.

Making roads and roofs a paler colour could have the equivalent effect of taking every car in the world off the road for 11 years, Chu said.

It was a geo-engineering scheme that was "completely benign" and would keep buildings cooler and reduce energy use from air conditioning, as well as reflecting sunlight back away from the Earth.

For people who found white hard on the eye, scientists had also developed "cool colours" which looked to the human eye like normal ones, but reflect heat like pale colours even if they are darker shades.

And painting cars in cool or light colours could deliver considerable savings on energy use for air conditioning units, he said.

Speaking at the start of a symposium on climate change hosted by the Prince of Wales and attended by more than 20 Nobel laureates, Chu said fresh thinking was required to cut the amount of carbon created by power generation.

He said: "The industrial revolution was a revolution in the use of energy. It offloaded from human and animal power into using fossil fuels.

"We have to go to a different new revolution that can severely decrease the amount of carbon emissions in the generation of energy."