Anti-Neocons

(not a 'friend') he asked me, "if I sympathise with Hamas?"

I think his question is odd.

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My profile is set to private too. Here is the conversation so far (it begins at the bottom):

I saw your post on the JMMA site on the Shawshank movie!
and you kinda threw me off there...speaking of throwing off...answer this about that movie first!
Ok, Ive seen it 5 or 6 times, however, the last time I saw it I noticed something that ruined it!!
Question? HOW DID HE PUT THE POSTER BACK AT THE END OF THE MOVIE- when he crawled thru it head first with no room to turn around at all! The poster was put perfectly back on the wall on all 4 corners! Answer that!!! lol..
Great movie- major flaw!!

Now back to Apricot tarte whose in solidarity with
Hamas??? I just find that so hard to believe!
I guess you agree with Osama bin laden as well??
You both are saying the same thing? I mean no disrepect
to you, I just cant understand living in this country
that you would feel that way! thats so nuts to me!
in what way are they victims? of who?



----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Apricot Tarte {In Solidarity with Gaza}
Date: Jan 15, 2009 3:41 PM


I sympathize with all who suffer, no matter what 'side'.

And I do not want my tax dollars being used against a truly victimized people. What we're seeing in Gaza is genocide.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: xxx
Date: Jan 15, 2009 12:35 PM


Do you sympathize with Hamas?

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"Be not defeated by the rain" - Kenji Miyazawa

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon

"Listen to your heart. Because, wherever your heart is, that is where you'll find your treasure." - Paulo Coelho

I just saw your new pic on the myspace page. It's good. Handle these people with a little good, ol' fashioned Israeli media. Haaretz is invaluable to me when engaging strong Israel supporters, particularly in the US. I mean, Likud-niks and pro-war Israelis already know they're wrong and really aren't worth talking to in my experience. They tend to be condescending and insulting, because they really have nothing else to go on. They assume that, even though I'm online, my news is still coming from the corporate American media. I would say don't sweat it, Apricot. Unless you think a person might be an objective thinker and capable of rational examination of facts, it's generally a waste of time. But if there's hope throw them a few articles by Uri Avnery or Gideon Levy.

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Thanks.

He's definitely baiting me, well trying.

And he should seriously know better than what silly things he's saying.

Since the last time, he's sent me another message, a little more aggressive with the usual pro Israel rhetoric and with an ending of he's only curious and would like a 'civil' discussion.

I will reply to him, but he's going to have to wait a little, I have some errands.

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"Be not defeated by the rain" - Kenji Miyazawa

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon

"Listen to your heart. Because, wherever your heart is, that is where you'll find your treasure." - Paulo Coelho

You're a good man.

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So here is where we're at:

I'm always civil, I'm glad you can be too.

Genocide of the Palestinians. If you look at a map of Palestine in 1948 and look at what's left now you would literally see that Palestinians and Palestine are being wiped off the map. And it is intentional.

If you will, please read, Holocaust Denied:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e21680.htm

Here is just an excerpt:

Every subsequent "war" Israel has waged has had the same objective: the expulsion of the native people and the theft of more and more land. The lie of David and Goliath, of perennial victim, reached its apogee in 1967 when the propaganda became a righteous fury that claimed the Arab states had struck first. Since then, mostly Jewish truth-tellers such as Avi Schlaim, Noam Chomsky, the late Tanya Reinhart, Neve Gordon, Tom Segev, Yuri Avnery, Ilan Pappe and Norman Finklestein have dispatched this and other myths and revealed a state shorn of the humane traditions of Judaism, whose unrelenting militarism is the sum of an expansionist, lawless and racist ideology called zionism. "It seems," wrote the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe on 2 January, "that even the most horrendous crimes, such as the genocide in Gaza, are treated as desperate events, unconnected to anything that happened in the past and not associated with any ideology or system … Very much as the apartheid ideology explained the oppressive policies of the South African government, this ideology – in its most consensual and simplistic variety – has allowed all the Israeli governments in the past and the present to dehumanize the Palestinians wherever they are and strive to destroy them. The means altered from period to period, from location to location, as did the narrative covering up these atrocities. But there is a clear pattern [of genocide]."

In Gaza, the enforced starvation and denial of humanitarian aid, the piracy of life-giving resources such as fuel and water, the denial of medicines and treatment, the systematic destruction of infrastructure and the killing and maiming of the civilian population, 50 per cent of whom are children, meet the international standard of the Genocide Convention. "Is it an irresponsible overstatement," asked Richard Falk, the United Nations Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and international law authority at Princeton University, "to associate the treatment of Palestinians with this criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not."

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From: xxx
Date: Jan 15, 2009 1:07 PM


Genocide - is the organized attempt to deliberately and systematically destroy, in whole or in part, an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

Israel could easily do that, But thats not Israel's goal, they want nothing but peace, its hamas that has that clearly written in there Charter to kill all jewish people and destroy Israel! I know of no other nation that announces where and when it will drop its bombs, thus enabling civilians to evacuate the territory. Israel has not the slightest interest in causing casualties. Hamas fighters hide purposely in schools and rural areas!
All it wants is to stop Hamas' attacks the only way it can: by eliminating the terrorists and destroying their arsenals. There's no other way to deal with them. Hamas is not a political organization with which agreements can be reached, but a fanatical gang intent on wiping Israel off the map. To achieve this objective, its members are even willing to turn their own children into human bombs. And you sympathize with that? I just cant see your point of view! Your certainly entitled to how you feel, but whats your reasoning?
I have a curious mind, is all..and at least we can have a civil discussion on opposite sides!
xxx

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"Be not defeated by the rain" - Kenji Miyazawa

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon

"Listen to your heart. Because, wherever your heart is, that is where you'll find your treasure." - Paulo Coelho

He is a stupid-ass and who ever thought that leaflets before bombing was a great idea is most definitely a stupid-ass!

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"Be not defeated by the rain" - Kenji Miyazawa

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon

"Listen to your heart. Because, wherever your heart is, that is where you'll find your treasure." - Paulo Coelho

These are the facts. Don't let them have a debate with you based upon the false pretext that THEY concocted. Their boogiemen are a joke.

In other words don't try to ration with them with the old "why they hate us" line. Instead let them know that we know that they, the Zionists, ARE the 'they' that hate us.