Well I did say I agree with you Dave and I didn't mean to correct you on it, just trying to point to some very important facts
that people largely ignore/forget which is the only way these people can possibly divide our movements.
It is that yes, the controlling structure is obviously occult former Judaism or whatever you wish to call it such as Sabbateanism
that is explained here. http://www.avrumehrlich.net/sabbatean.htm
I don't know if you can qualify that as luciferian, or whatever have you, but what you can surely qualify it as at all times is occult
and even egyptian because it stems from Temple Zionism known to be nothing less than Babylon the worship of a mystic false messiah and the Red Shield.