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I don't think it's indicative. Pollard was just unfortunate enough to get caught doing it. As much power and influence that Zionists wield in the government and how well the spies have infiltrated its agencies, there's only so much they can do for one of their guys if he gets caught.

The fact that Pollard got full-life imprisonment, instead of being allowed back to Israel like the others, is, I think, indicative of his low level importance, not that of the others.



The fact that they print the money, means they have control of it. Whoever controls the money, controls the government.



I wasn't referring to the President, as he is just a figurehead. I was referring to the Neo-con cabal behind him. Corporations like the CFR, the World Bank and the IMF, or the Tavistock Institute, are the ones who run things.



This is also true of the current administration in the American government.



Like I said, the plans are basically outlined in the ISCB and its later re-write, the PNAC.



It's probably why it hasn't happened yet. If it does, the agent provocateurs would have to make sure all the evidence points at their target and not back at them.



In the case with the Mossad, they aren't just a red-herring, to confound an investigation into who was behind 9-11. They are unmistakably involved. Red-herrings only work, if they are emphasized. In that case, the 19 men, must be a red-herring, employed to confuse the crime, with leads going everywhere, with no real connection.



I don't think so. An on-board hijacking is unnecessary for giving faces to the patsies. Posing as them beforehand, and leaving a trail of goodies for investigators to find, is all they really need to do. The media and the disinformation crew behind them, take care of the rest.

A remote-control hijacking, is all they really needed, and is the only plausible explanation for those impossible flying manauvers, which not even a top pilot could do with those jets.



This is assuming that these men are who the media says they are. However, 7 of them are still alive, so quite clearly, they are not. Also, the possibility of Saudi radicals, living outside of Saudi Arabia (Osama bin Laden for example), is also a factor.

The men are real, but their hijacking roles are not. Saudi intel involvement is a theory, formulated on a faulty premise. However, Israeli intel involvement is a theory based on facts.

It was Israeli intel who was operating in the US at that time.

It was Israeli intel, who knew of the attacks beforehand.

It was Israeli intel, who aided and abetted their own, who were impersonating Arab men to be blamed for the attacks.

It was Israeli intel, who were caught driving around NY on 9/11 with explosives-tainted vans.

This is also not to mention their affiliation with those airliner companies, as well as the airports they took off from. The Saudi men were never even involved, thus eliminating the Saudi connection completely.

I know of the Pollard case, in which he shared US intel with Israel, who then sold it to the Soviets. I just think he has a low-level of importance to his Zionist masters, and was also caught, which is why he wasn't spared.



That doesn't make any sense. How could Israel suspect the USS Liberty of passing intel to the Egyptians, when they knew full well that they were Americans, and clearly saw the American flag on the ship?

According to a senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested. (source)

Israel attacked the USS Liberty using UNMARKED AIRCRAFT. This is the single fact which proves Israel knew exactly who they were attacking. Israel's story is that they thought USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship and therefore a legitimate target of war. Were that true, there would be no reason to attack a supposedly Egyptian ship with unmarked aircraft. The only possible reason to use unmarked aircraft to attack the ship is that Israel knew it was an American ship and intended to sink it, then to blame the attack on Egypt.

The official US investigation is discredited. And with it, every claim of innocence for Israel that relied on the official investigation as a source.



I know. However, the corporations in which they operate only go, if they get busted, just like Pollard.



Actually, Iran is mentioned. As you'll note in the primary document (ISCB), that it says:

"Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon..."

Israel, in this document, identifies Syria, Hezbollah, and Iran as threats, and feels that invading Lebanon as a way of curving their influence there.

Note also, it talks about removing Saddam from power. I think they followed through with that one quite well.



I'm not denying CIA involvement. I'm just saying that the Mossad helped facilitate it, not Saudi intel.



The impossible flying manauvers, has to do with the military precision of them. It wasn't a straightforward flight, as is evident from the footage. Flight UA 93 was obviously shot down.



The only "Al Qaida" that exists, is what was in Afghanistan, and they were financed by bin Laden, not the Saudi government.



Al Qaida isn't involved, so it is just a theory. The rush of activity between them seems unimportant to me.



They may have warned of the attacks, but did they know the time and date of the attacks? Somehow I doubt it, yet the Mossad seemed to have this information.

Dancing Israelis are evidence of foreknowledge, as they obviously knew it was going to be happening, how and when it did.

For their involvement, this is evident from their impersonation of Arab men, the planting of Atta's stolen passport near ground zero (how cheesy is that?), as well as leaving a host of goodies for the investigators to "find", to make sure that their stolen identites are made out to be the hijackers.

The Mossad were living right next door to the impersonators, so obviously they were working together.

Why would the identities of Arabs need to be stolen and abused for the attacks, and evidence deliberately planted, if these Arabs were already planning to carry out the attack on their own?



Saudi Arabia, OBL, and Al Qaida are as involved in 9-11, as they were in the OK bombing or the Lavon Affair.

You're a bit of a retard if you have to keep changing your argument. Do you seriously think MI5 field operatives are hell bent on murdering the people of the country they're supposed to be protecting? Yeah the bosses are bastards - but it's presented as a good thing to do to the recruits - who tend to be quite patriotic.



Only two of them, the two that made the blog/statement-style videos against western foreign policy (mohamed sidique khan and shazid tanweer). They were genuine dissidents you see, false flag criminals don't get followed - that is why they act and are never caught.



It doesn't say anywhere in that report that the explosives were British you sad fool. Just that they were military grade. It's not easy to smuggle arms onto a protected island unless there is an exception to the rule. So yes it was Mossad because they act without consequence in countries with pro-Zionist establishment.



What the hell happened in Barcelona? I would have known if something did happen.
You must be talking about Madrid, I think the Spanish government was blackmailed into destroying an empty flat saying the terrorists blew themselves up to save the tourist industry - as they could not catch the real criminals and are more concerned with power.
They're not a European campaign to get Europe into Mid East Wars, BECAUSE EUROPEAN CAPITALISM/IMPERIALISM DOESN'T BENEFIT FROM THEM. Only the colonialism of Israel benefits from a politically Neo-con Zio-bitch Europe, and the neo-con media is instrumental in bringing this about and so are Israeli false flags.

Uh no, you said the bombs were in the bags and controlled by remote control by 'Al CIAda', then when I posted evidence that they were under the train you used that for your argument as well... show me a case where I have changed my argument.


The MI5 collaberated with Ulster Unionists to make false flag ops in the name of the IRA after the 70's as well... But they're nothing to do with this - The IRA was a domestic issue, Israel/Palestine isn't.


Uh HELLO these men were innocent! So yes they were following them. Not because they thought they would do a terror attack but because they're dissidents - this is the state fascism.


British military access to what? It says:

No-where does it say that the military grade explosives were of British military origin. Perhaps you don't understand to what extent Israel is an exception to all rules - it's tolerated beyond belief.


Pull your head out of your arse cos we're talking about Europe here, not the US. Things aren't as clear cut as imperialists going out to get oil. Perhaps you failed to realise that the same people who funded Zionism own our media today, perhaps you failed to realise that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are part of 'Labour Friends of Israel', Perhaps you failed to notice that these wars have cost more to the British economy than was worth it for the elite in this country. Mid East Wars like Iraq are not in Britain's economic interests - you simply can't comprehend the fact that this is more than just a conquest because we are still there. Who benefits from the endless occupation of Iraq? I don't, Blair doesn't, the Queen doesn't, the Iraqi's don't, the Saudi's don't...
See what I'm gettin at?

What's your game man? I've got things on my mind like exams... show me your not just wasting my time.



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BTW Globalisation means capitalism of Nations is less important... the captilistic thing that benefits the most from this is the Military Industrial Complex. It is in the Military Industrial Complex's interests to keep the Zionists fighting strong because they are fighting a fight they would not win by themselves - hence involuntary involvement on the behalf of Israel in the form of Neo-con Foreign policy.

I don't doubt the magnitude of what he's done, I just doubt his importance as an individual, to the Zionists. Do they really need him for anything now?



And obviously wanted the attacks to be blamed on someone else, otherwise I doubt they would've used unmarked aircraft to carry them out.



Not all corporations are national. Some are international. If one of their host nations loses economic power, they still have others.



I thought I just quoted it for you, about engaging Syria, Hezbollah and Iran in Lebanon?



"University professors" is a bit of understatement. I hardly consider individuals like Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, or Douglas Feith to be just simple "University professors". They (along with others) crafted both the ISCB as well as the PNAC, in Israel.



Again, this is presuming Afghanistan, Al Qaida involvement, which is non-existent. You're trying to connect Saudi intel to al Qaida, but you haven't connected al Qaida to 9/11.



Incompetent trainee pilots (some who couldn't even fly to save their lives), somehow being able to control 767s and then flawlessly fly three of them into relatively small targets, is what is "absolutely ridiculous". This is especially true with flight 77.

What's even more ridiculous, is Atta's magic passport, which somehow managed to survive the impact.

On the other hand, remote control technology is both feasible, and evident, with the remote control antenna that are present. Global Hawk technology already existed, and was already in use.



This isn't the 80s. Things change. Osama was exiled from Saudi Arabia, and sought asylum in Afghanistan. If he worked for them, then why was he exiled?



It doesn't bother me, as this is in fact also part of the 9/11 set up itself, to make it look like it was the work of Arab terrorists.



Why do you keep assuming that I'm denying government involvement? Do you believe that Saudi intel could've done it without any govt. help? No. So, why do you assume I believe that Israeli intel could've done it without any govt. help?



Exactly. They didn't. They stole identities from Arab men, and impersonated them, both at the flight schools, as well as at that strip bar the night before.



This is a strawman argument, as this is assuming I actually believe they did it all on their own, without the government even knowing about it, which, as I've said before, I do not.

They were working with certain elements within the government to carry out the attacks. It wasn't "just them". This was a joint effort. The Mossad did a lot of the dirty work, while those within the government, coordinating the attacks with them, obviously took care of the rest.

It is like arguing with a religious person aobut their religious text. They just keep changing their "interpretation" of it and then deny doing it even when it is in writing.

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I thought it was clear enough, where it talks about engaging them. Why does it have to mention airstrikes or nukes? Now you're just unnecessarily nit-picking.



Yes, ones who just happen to be involved with the Bush administration, and its foreign policy?



Well, given that there has not been a single genuine "al-Qaida" cell found outside of Afghanistan, I'm a little suspicious of such a claim.



As I've already said, the foreknowledge and advanced warnings, are part of the 9/11 set up itself, to make it look like it was carried out by Arab terrorists. Whether the investigators had actually uncovered the intel, or whether it was just given to them, is irrelevent.

There were warnings of a possible Anthrax attack as well, but guess where the Anthrax strains came from?

Fort Detrick; a US military laboratory.

Who was caught entering the Anthrax storage area without permission?

Lt. Col. Philip Zack, a Jewish ex-employee

Who were the letters meant to sound like they came from?

Arab terrorists.

I view the 9/11 attacks, the same way I view the Anthrax attacks. For 9/11, the little trail of goodies was intentionally left to point the blame in a certain direction.

As for the videos, their timing of release is a bit suspicious. How is it that they weren't released until years after the fact?

Also, at least 7 of the alleged hijackers are still alive, and that fact, in itself, refutes the video's credibility.



I hardly consider 6 months training enough. The others trained several months too, and they certainly weren't competent, much less ace-pilots.



On the contrary, everything holds.

You didn't ask anything clearly I didn't see a clear question mark.
I haven't got one because all thats happening is we're just counter arguing and counter arguing.


British Military Establishment? Who the fuck would do that? Would it not make sense to say that as it is state sponsored terrorism that the military grade bangbang was given free of charge to the people who planted em?






NOT A ZIONIST?! I know who owns most of the media in my country thank you.


I was in a weird mood.


You scrap a project if it costs too much - this is logical.
The MIC isn't US-centric.
We all know that Israel's draining of the American economy isn't gona be good for em in the long run but they're playing a survival game. So they do benefit from all the shit going on right now.