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Ok, so from what i've read, i'm assuming thermite bombs were used in the attacks to melt the steel?

And can anyone cite any demolitionists that say that the collapse was like that of a controlled demolition?

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Thermite is not exactly correct. The prescence of sulfur in the samples changes the compound. When you add Sulfur to thermite you get Thermate. You'll be better of to call em "Thermate Cutting Charges". I guess you could say the were used as "bombs", but really they were just used for what they were made...to cut structural steel like a hot knife goin through warm butter. Sometimes semantics is important. I'm looking for specific demo experts for you to quote if you like. brb...hitting the net...I'll update this with some info.

http://www.firehouse.com/news/2002/1/14_APwtcstudy.html

http://wtcdemolition.com/

http://911scholars.org/

kk, thats a start. Basically you just walked into a full time job. And it isnt easy. There is also a wealth of information from the other side of the fence, that you have to look through as well. You must be TOTALLY familiar with both sides (I am not....yet) to really practically debate this subject from either side. The knowledge will allow you to know your "opponents" questions before s/he asks them.

I recently spoke with someone about sulfur in the towers. This person said sulfur is in many fossil fuels. Not the best answer. I found a fact tonight (searching for you) that never dawned on me...the drywall (I'm a freakin drywaller! lol). In drywall construction we make what is called "firewalls". Apparently the "firewall" around the central core was 1 1/2 inches thick. (I suggest that is incorrect since we use 5/8 inch sheet rock, double layer, to make a firewall so 1 1/4 inches more like. But there is also "core board" which is 1 inch thick which we use in elevator shafts, so i would say it could have been as little as 1 inch). Drywall/Gypsum has sulfur in it. There was alot of sheetrock just around the core non the less. Im still swaying twords controlled demolition, but you never know what you are gonna find when you start diggin m8, be prepared to sway back and fourth for a looooong time, sometimes within one session of learning. I still do and I've been tryin to look at the science of this for a long time. Quoting people isnt always the best way...since if someone asks a question that you can't "find" and answer to you will be debased for lack of knowledge. Good luck man.

Here's to uncovering the truth...no matter what it is.

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The collapse of the two towers looks a lot different than the collapse of WTC 7. The collapse of WTC 7 looked like a traditional demolition, where the whole thing just caves in horizontally, into its footprint. The twin towers, however, did not, which would mean it was a very untraditional demolition. It gave the appearance that the part above the impact collapsed horizontally through the rest of the area below the impact.

No doubt thermate cutter charges were used (and this is obvious in the videos), but unless the building collapsing into itself was just an optical illusion, then they must've deviated somewhat from the tradition demolition method.

I don't think that there has ever been a demolition of buildings as large as the towers, so we have no frame of reference. Plus the top down demolition was necessary for the effect.

Yeah. You're right. Although, I'm sure if it were meant to be a demolition, they wouldn't have had the top collapse throught the rest of it like that. This had to have been done soley for the effect.

THIS melts steel:



A seasoned blacksmith knows that when the steel glows orange, it is 850 degrees and is workable. The forge in this picture attains well more than 850 degrees in temperature.

Guess how that's done.

Now check THIS out.

See that pic of a blacksmith's portable shed? See that barbeque type thingie on 3 legs behind the guy, the one with a round thingie attatched to it via a thick conduit? That'll melt steel, too. Melting steel ain't hard to do.



Sulfur is present in ALL fossil fuels, including jet fuel (kerosene). Some fossil fuels have more of it than others, and there is no reason to believe that this is an inadequate fact without an explanation as to WHY this fact is inadequate, given that Jones & Co. never said how much sulfur it was that he detected either.

Additionally, concrete is a substance that requires water to maintain its form. When heat dehydrates concrete, it reverts back to powder form (quicklime). Any claims made about the weight of a given falling floor is in error if the weight figured is the weight of fully-hydrated concrete. Without the water, quicklime powder weighs considerably less than its fully hydrated solid form.

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Clara that is total crap. Steel will not melt at 850 F you are full of shit and your pictures are propaganda.

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Steel doesn't melt at low temps but it does reduce the strength and yeild point (construction background and one steel engineering course). However, I doubt that the fires reduced the strength of a significant number of core supports in such a short time to cause the towers to fall in the manner they did. I was watching it on TV live. When it started to fall, I expected a rotating moment force to form in the direction of the yeild, and to see some resistance from lower floors, which would have also caused a rotation of some sort from uneven resistance. We didn't see this, except for a slight tliting of one tower. Also, when I saw the LIVE FEED, the tower collapsed a good 10 to 15 floors below the impact point, not at the point of impact like the second tower to fall. I cannot find this video but I know what I saw that day. I thought how unbeleiveable that it would yeild in such a short time. Buildings are not designed just to stand, they are designed to stand by a factor of TEN!


And then it happened a second time in the same manner. You know what they say about lightning.

Now I suposed in a world where flipping a coin results in it's landing on it's side, that this is mere coincidence, and poor design, but then we had the OBVIOUS coverups with no black boxes for weeks (were they ever found?), no investigation of a crime scene, shipping off the steel to China immediately, AND no reassembly of the plane bits. Every time I have seen a plane crash, they always show the big hanger where they lay out all the pieces for a thorough investigation. NONE of this happens. While I can still not 100% conclusively say that this was not due to the planes only, I can say that there is more than enough evidence and coverup to warrant suspicion of an alternate story. Sometimes I feel silly for beleiving that they may have been assisted to come down, but my knowledge and better sense tells me that the people who can conclusively state that they came down solely from the planes in the face or massive evidence to the contrary are the ones who are silly, not I. People who are 100% sure about anything scare me. They need to go and visit a neuro-proctologist right away!