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there is no video footage of any of the hijackers from any of the airports they supposedly were in the morning of 911. All the airports had their security managed by Israel through a Dutch front comany. This company got immunity from lawsuits concerning 911 which would force them to show their tapes. That was pass Jan 1, 2001 on Newyears.

Why? well that answer is obvious. esp if you have read my 911 blog.

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I think the security cameras were tampered with by the Zionist security company because they didn't want them to show the faces of the Israeli commando hijackers, not because there were no hijackers.

I am pretty sure there were hijackers. The airlines keep passenger lists or manifests(?) and so they would have known which people got on the plane and how many. Nineteen of those people were identified as hijackers. If they weren't the hijackers who were the 19 that got on the plane? Nobody has claimed them as lost relatives. People who worked at the airport remember some of these passengers with a Middle Eastern appearance. They remember they went through special security checks, and that they couldn't speak English well, and that one of these men almost missed his plane and had to make a run for it.

Also, the phone calls made by the passengers and crew speak of hijackers. Unless you think the Israeli hijackers faked 18 phone calls, including ones that lasted twenty minutes.

I thought the phone calls were faked at one point in time because everything else was faked, but after looking at the transcripts of the phone calls and the timelines of the calls:
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I no longer think so. It would have been too difficult to fake all these phone calls. How would the Israelis know what to call the people who they called - their nicknames? How did they know how the people who picked up the phone were related to the passengers, and how could they mimic the voices of all those people, their speaking mannerisms and so forth - pretty big task.

Too, too complicated. And too risky. One slip up - one assumption that the person who answered the phone was the mother of the caller when that person had been dead for a long time would expose the hoax.

Besides quite a few of the callers on FL93 caught that flight at the last minute because FL91 had been canceled due to a cracked windshield. Even if the Israelis had known of the passengers beforehand and had investigated and studied the phone calls of these future passengers through the process of data mining and human engineering, they wouldn't have had time to do that with those last-minute passengers.

I am certain that the phone calls are real, and therefore there must have been real hijackers on those planes. But the hijackers were Israeli and not Al Qaeda Muslims. The Israeli hijackers ditched out of the planes by parachute in remote fields somewhere before the planes were piloted by remote control into their targets.

That's where the theory of an incapacitating 'gas' comes in. It fits in real well with what was said in the phone calls.

The phone calls give an accurate picture of what happened on FL93: a chilling minute-by-minute rundown of how the hijackers took over the planes, subdued the passengers and made their escape unobserved and unhindered.

Even when the passengers were knocked out, their phone calls relayed information about the hijackings. They recorded sounds that describe what happened after the passengers were disabled chemically. The mechanical sound of the plane door opening a few minutes after the gas was released. The wind sounds that were heard after the door had been opened, and that were heard until the plane crashed.

The fact that there was total silence and no voices to be heard abruptly at 10:00AM suggests that the passengers were affected by some chemical agent that rendered them unconscious at this time.

No sound of gunfire, no sound of huge explosions like a bomb would make, just the report of an explosion by a passenger, not audible to the listener so it wasn't that loud, and the report of a 'white smoke' - this was the aerosolized drug that was released into he main cabin by the hijackers because the passengers were resisting too much and were in danger of breaking down the cockpit door at any moment.

And the report at 10:00 by another passenger that she was feeling funny: like she was leaving her body, and going into a trance, as well as experiencing breathing difficulties - these are the reports of someone undergoing anesthesia.

It seems that the gas was used in all the hijackings. Betty Ong reported that some gas was being used and that some people were choking.

The hijackers used the gas because they had to make sure there were no witnesses to them making their exit from the planes. And to prevent anyone trying to stop them from doing it. Also they didn't want anybody interfering with what they were doing in the cockpit: putting the plane onto remote control or whatever they had to do in there.

The gas was a crowd-control measure - it was used because it acted quickly and would affect anyone who wasn't wearing a respirator.

The parachuting from the plane was accomplished easily enough. All they had to do was get the plane at a low-enough altitude and slow-enough speed, either manually or by remote control. We know that FL93 was at a height of 7000 feet between 10:00 and 10:03AM because the transponders had been turned on between then. The plane crashed at 10:06. We know the hijackers were probably in the plane until 10:03 unless the transponder was turned off electronically by remote control. The hijackers made their jump between 10:00 and 10:03, after they had put the passengers and crew to sleep.

Then once the hijackers were out of the plane, the Israelis in the white unmarked Learjet-type plane who were observing the whole drama of the hijackers getting out of the plane from a close vantage point, watched the plane plough into the ground (driven by remote control) and then they detonated the plane, again by remote control.

The Learjet had been directed to the correct location of FL93 by the information given off by the transponder which was turned on between 10:00 and 10:03.

FL93 was destroyed by ordnance, like all the other planes were, to destroy any evidence remaining on the planes. The Israelis had to make sure the planes were completely obliterated because otherwise they might yield important clues to the investigators such as the presence of the incapacitating drugs in the passengers' bodies. They could also find that the number of passengers' bodies were four short and surmise that the hijackers had left the planes before the crashes. Lots of other evidence like that. The Israelis had to get rid of the crime scene.

If you think about how the Israelis planned the attack and what they would need to do cover their tracks as well as divert the blame onto another group of people, then all the things that people observed or heard that day make sense and come together as a coherent whole. It almost is like writing a mystery novel when reconciling the theory that the Israelis did the hijacking with the timeline of what happened that day.


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I am pretty sure there were hijackers. The airlines keep passenger lists or manifests(?) and so they would have known which people got on the plane and how many. Nineteen of those people were identified as hijackers


actually that's just the thing they were not on the list.

Israel didnt kill its own for 911. they just hired people to fill the role of the patsies the flight schools the prior knowledge etc. The israelis didn't get on those planes. Those planes were taken over by remote control esp the one that hit the pentagon no pilot could have done that.

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I didn't say they killed their own; I said the Israelis planned for the hijackers to escape. I described how the Israelis bailed from the planes and silenced the passengers and crew before they did so, to make sure there were no witnesses telling their loved ones on the phone they saw the hijackers jump out.

I described how the Israelis' plan to ditch from the plane fits the timeline perfectly. How all the things that researchers of 9/11 say do not make sense, such as the transponder being turned on from 10:00 to 10:03 before the plane crashes at 10:06, now make sense. Perfect logical crystal-clear sense.

Why Felt reports an explosion on the plane, but no explosion is heard by the listeners. How Felt could see an explosion if he was inside the toilet at the time. Why Wainio who was clearheaded moments earlier, clear-headed enough to report calmly the activities on the plane to her step-mother and that she was going to join the attack team and had to go suddenly started to report experiencing weird sensations.

Why all commotion suddenly ceased right when the attack team were about to break down the door.

Why there were multiple reports by people who all described the same thing - an unmarked white Learjet-type plane flying very close to where the Boeing had been before it crashed.

Why there is an ordnance smoke plume above the crash site in a photo someone took soon after the plane crashed.

Why all four planes were completely obliterated and why all the people in the planes seemed to evaporate into thin air.

The absence of the hijackers on the passenger lists can be explained by the fact that the authorities removed the names of the hijackers from the the list.

They had the reasons for doing this, probably for cover-up, and also for dramatic effect - we are supposed to fill in the blanks with our own imaginations. Th authorities who are trying to cover up Israeli authroship of the attack are trying to give as little information as possible to the public as possible.

I will have a bet and say that the fake identities lead to Mossad. An investigator who could access information and followed the trail made by the fake identities would probably find that the fake identities were issued by Mossad. The fact that the authorities are cagey on this issue is another clue among hundreds of other clues that the hijackers were Israeli.

I believe Mossad were discovered another time to be issuing fake identities in another sting - I think a sting to infiltrate their Mossad agents into Muslim Bangladesh. The Indian Government was in on the operation apparently.

There WERE hijackers, no doubt about it because the phone calls made from the planes were REAL.
You can't fake the calls made by eighteen passengers and crew to loved ones, friends and colleagues. It's not feasible. And we have a recording of a twenty minute call made by a flight attendant, Betty Ong. How did they manage to fake that? Why would an impersonator make a fake call that lasted twenty minutes? Why take those risks? How did the phone callers know who to ask for? How did the fakers know they were speaking to a passenger's aunt and that the passenger's mother was at her home? How did they know the nicknames of the callers and their family members? Impossible and risky besides as well as unnecessary.

The phone calls made by eighteen people were real and so was the CVR of FL93. Because they are real, they give up valuable clues as to what happened that day.


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Yes I told you the pphone calls were fake. There is no need for the Israelis to fly the planes part of the way and then jump out of them. listen to yourself that's just cornball.

They dont have any video of the said hijackers or doubles at any of the airports. Thats because they were never there. The planes were controlled via remote.

You should know the phone call were fake simply by the nice media package ready to roll with the heroic Tod Beamer story on every channel. Read Richard Grove's accounts on the matter.

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You can't fake the calls made by eighteen passengers and crew to loved ones, friends and colleagues. It's not feasible.


Oh yes you can. Did you listen to the said dialog? also 3 of the calls were fake on both ends.

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And we have a recording of a twenty minute call made by a flight attendant, Betty Ong. How did they manage to fake that? Why would an impersonator make a fake call that lasted twenty minutes? Why take those risks? How did the phone callers know who to ask for? How did the fakers know they were speaking to a passenger's aunt and that the passenger's mother was at her home? How did they know the nicknames of the callers and their family members? Impossible and risky besides as well as unnecessary.


answer, they didn't.

watch this.

Hi, Paul Willis, Hi this is your nephew John Doe. Hi John. Listen I am on a plane hijacked by Muslim terrorists. Oh My God really? Yes I am locked in the Bathroom. etc

Guess what I was never on aplane the call was fake and the witness who said they heard it made the tape with me, he is not my uncle and he is in the CIA.

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ah well cell phones usually didn't work at that hight in 2001 but that is beside the point. These phone call were fake. Who calls their mom and states their entire name and then says you believe me right?

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You haven't researched the phone calls. Cell phone calls are possible at less than 8,000 feet. Even the fake cell phone people admit that.

Look it up: I've posted numerous links about the phone calls: there's tons of info that show phone calls at less than 8000 feet are possible and many people have made phone calls at those altitutdes and back in 2001 or earlier.

That phone call where the caller says his full name is what originally got me thinking that the phone calls were fake. But when you think about it, if you are in a life and death situation, you can say all sorts of ridiculous things. As a matter of fact, I said something similar to somebody once, I called somebody I knew very well by their full name and I wasn't even in a life and death situation or close to it.

Which one is more believable:

- That an Israeli agent faked a phone call to a passenger's loved one for 20 minutes straight, reciting prayers together and so on .... and was able to get away with it .....

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- That a passenger says "Hi Mom" and states his full name? Just think you are on the phone to your mom but you are not sure if it is your mom or not that picked up the phone or whatever ... so in your muddled frame of mind you say your full name in case ....

... and besides there are variations of what this guy said on his call to his mom. His mom's version is a little bit different to the version that's making the rounds of fake-phone call threads, and his mom did not doubt that the caller was her son.

If any poster can show HOW the phone calls of 18 people were faked, then I will concede the phone calls were fake. But until someone can show me how this was done, then it must be assumed the calls were real.

I really doubt the phone calls were fake. In fact I am pretty sure they're not.


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Ry, you just can't say the phone calls were fake because you said so. And no, you haven't shown why the chute theory is "pure cornball".

Where is the proof? Where are the links to show the phone calls had to be fake? HOW did they do it? How did they fool the relatives and colleagues etc of EIGHTEEN people?

Come on - don't cop out and say, "I've already proved it." You haven't proved it at all.

At least link to a site that proves that "phone calls are not possible at ...." As I have said researchers who have studied the phone calls and believe them to be fake have said phone calls are possible at less than 8,000 feet. And people have actually made them at these heights.

Explain the logistics of how one would go about faking the phone calls of eighteen people. How do you research these callers. How do you know who to call? How would you know ahead of time like at least a day or two ahead that these people were going to catch the planes and had working cell phones? How did the Israelis know the caller didn't lose his cell phone the week before and didn't have a cell phone on him when he went on the plane? How could they guarantee the Israeli fakers wouldn't be caught in the act by making such mistakes like this? A million and such things the fakers would have to cover for .. calling a loved one by the right nickname, knowing who was at home and who would be answering the phone, knowing the loved one was not at home and was in fact visiting someone and knowing who that someone was and calling that person ...

What IS pure cornball is to say that the phone calls were fake and not show one bit of evidence to show that they were.


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