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What the No-Plane "Theories" Imply

1. That the 140-foot wide damage to the Pentagon, including a 96-foot-wide puncture, were somehow produced by a means other than a plane.
2. That fires smelling of burning jet fuel, were produced by some other means, or the photographs were faked.
3. That the aircraft debris, some clearly from an AA Boeing 757, were planted.
4. That the swath of downed lamp-poles matching a 757's wing span were sliced and knocked over by some other means.
5. That smashed objects in the paths of the engines were damaged by some other means.
6. That scores of eyewitness reports of a jetliner were faked, coerced, or coincidentally mistaken.
7. That the identification of Flight77's victims was fraudulent.
8. That Flight 77 and all on board were disposed of at some unknown location.

Why is the No-Boeing Theory Popular?

* Promoted by the slickest, best-marketed 9/11 materials
* Has allure of unsolved mystery -- like X-Files, Big Foot
* May be comforting by denying the death of the 64 on board Flight 77
* Anyone who attempts to debunk it is attacked:
as if debunking someone's religion

And the evidence for a Missile is Zero. Everything centers on claiming there isn't enough evidence for a plane and this claim is based on intentionally construed information about the holes, and debris. Ry is right, the pod and missile people are just suckers for the 911 white wash. They saw a few films and started parroting rather than questioning.

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If the plane came in from a different angle, then that would have to mean that there were secondary explosives used... and/or there were 2 planes.

That's right they had a group already picked out, I doubt very much they would leave the fate riding in the hands of a few who could not fly worth shit. For all we know those men could very well have been sent on a 'mission' but their skills were no more than being able to taxi the plane to the end of some runway and park.

Why not sew in some conflict right off the bat, if eye-witness say different things then there never is a consensus. In the photo the walls were the strongest part yet the floor doesn't seem to have 'removed' right near the 'hole'. All the 'stringy' things came the cables and piping that would be in the ceiling. The 2nd & 3rd floor should have collected the most debris, any photos? The inside of that building must have enough cameras inside to determine what went on before they failed. Good luck in finding those. Another thing in my xmas list is the photos of the parts, can they be 'ironed out' and put against a specific part of the plane, same with the wheels and engine part. Last I heard they could not be specifically tied to the right engine, same for the wheels

With all the safety built into the software, ... can a passenger jet that is designed for gentle maneuvers even get that close to the ground when the wheels are still up, let alone at that speed which would prevent the gear from being lowered)

Why the third floor wasn't hit at all the the second floor was only hit by the top of the tail and top part of the fuselodge. The main debris should be and was on the first floor.

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If panic and hysteria are the goal then you need sound and sight. The vid from the gas station should have captured a jet that size crossing from left to right.

There used to be a freeware program (limit of objects allowed) called working model 2d. Plug-in the parameters and the 'crash reconstruction ' was followed with microscopic precision as desired. That full version should be able to determine where those poles landed by two methods. A jumbo jet at full throttle or a ground hugging 'hardened stealthy' cruise missile's turbulence. One in the right hand the other in the left, which hand hit you? In this case both. Once the smoke started to rise nobody would be looking anyplace else especially if flying under 'economy' fuel load.


With the DNA aspect if they couldn't seal up JFK's coffin then lab results are bogus if the desire to 'fiddle' is there then things can be 'fiddled with' unless done on the spot.

Sometimes all the views are right, depending on location. From the inside photo hitting the "equal to 12Ft of concrete" could have ignited the explosive wall board that was part of the money oversight investigation. Some poor accountant sees the bill for $1M / sq ft drywall for the Pentagon and goes and looks and then just when he 'taps it' all hell breaks loose in his world. Just from a 'tap' from the other-side. The newest version of the 'deadman switch'.

The truth only makes you wiser in what you can or cannot change. Stupid is as stupid does is not automatically the truth. America used to have people like Jim Bridger. Walk softly and carry a big knife, even at the Alamo. If TBTB pride themselves in covering all the angels then they missed one. The Mob rules when push comes to shove. The bad news is 20% more die than need to

Micro investigations never become more important than the bigger picture, in this particular case we are now at year 130 (give or take a few) of a plan that could have it's climax still 50 years in our future. Should the chance for AmericaII arise might I suggest a change in the banking system rather than starting with the airline industry.. At this point I'm under the impression that might even have to be explained. When 'no-chains' came about as the promoted solution and 8 yrs of war were gained while the world waited for that needed change you delivered nothing as a Nation that was an advocate for the rights of the 'little guy'. Ask the few survivors on our rez's how noble we are compared to our words and our deeds.

Crash dynamics is part of the investigation, prosecution is PhaseII, an BnE and a blowjob is the extent of all prosecutions involving the White House, your Sanctuary. Execution of sentence is the Final Phase. How much dispute does your country need before people are sent home without pay until an 'impartial set of records' is obtained. When 10% are under capture impaling 1% will have the 99% singing like birds. The 1% has to be high up and going higher to be really effective. If a man can be tried for treason and win a seat in the Senate a few years later what would you expect to be the outcome? Giving unlimited weapons to the 'persecuted for a long time' might not be in the best interest of a 'peaceful blending' of people. The persecuted of the USSR would have made great tenants also if a sanctuary for the downtrodden was the goal. This little bit of theatrics is only about deception on an almost global scale to one group claiming control of all the countries of the world. That is why the re-creation of Israel was a must rather than the Jews being given Madagascar as a temporary homeland. How ironic that 30 million of the Banksters end up there or in the water near there, the catfish will enjoy the company.

Flight 77 was part of a 'larger program', the 'official story' would appear to have some cracks in it. The only question that needs to be asked is ,...."what channels are the trials being held on?"

Co-conspirator would be the current financial network as they pride themselves as knowing what is going on in the world. When was the last time the Bank financed you when your application was mostly on all black?

I don't have a graphic handy but the body would seen to be at least two floors tall, the cargo area below and the seating/passenger area above. The lower level should be filled with 'airline specific luggage' which is somewhat stronger than a garbage bag and floor two the bodies and seats.

I do have realistic graphics and the plane is not taller than two floors. Ever been on a 757? At 6 '1 I have to tilt my head to go down the ile. It's barely over 8 feet from the belly up, the fuselage width is 12 ft 4 in.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/penta ... gspec.html
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html

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Dimension 'A' says 20ft from the wheels to the top of the fuselage, take away 5ft for the distance from the ground to the bottom of the engine that would still leave enough height that the 2nd floor would be gathering parts of the plane also. If what is promoted about the wire spools and generator that raises the height even more. The photos seem to include the hole taking up 2 floors and I still keep expecting to see 3 holes in all as the engines should have made their own.
A nice outline like they made at the towers would have answered a lot of questions.

http://757.0catch.com/

The 'no debris' page from your 2nd link also shows the 2nd floor being level with the cockpit. My question from that page is where are the 10 wheels rather than just one on that page and I have seen another one with some rubber still attached. If those survived the rest should have also been found during the clean-up. Same with the engine parts, if one part survived the other ones that would make two engines would also have survived enough to be identified as being a engine part. I'm also a little surprised at how short the shafts are, for their purported strength they should have lasted the longest, certainly longer than a hub. Is it worth counting the number of bolts or are many parts that are smaller interchangeable between many models of engines?
This is as detailed as I have read on the engine debate http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/co ... 0265.shtml

The link below makes this point, flying low at high-speed requires skills that are best left to a computer if you want to hit a very small target. That path would have to be programmed in first and even then it would exceed certain safety switches built into the software, military hardware has no such restrictions and they have terrain following capabilities.
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Final Approach Is Consistent With an Autopiloted 757

By all accounts the Pentagon attack plane approached the building's west side from the southwest flying in a descending trajectory that took it primarily into the Pentagon's first floor. Details of the approach path can be inferred from damaged objects such as the highway lamp poles and generator trailer.

The downed lamp poles indicate that the aircraft passed directly over the highway overpass and cloverleaf intersection southwest of the impact zone. Two of the clipped lamp poles were on the northeast side of the cloverleaf, about 600 feet from the impact zone center. Assuming that the ground at the base of the poles was elevated 18 feet relative to the Pentagon's foundation, and that the poles were clipped at a height of 20 feet, the aircraft's wings were 38 feet higher than the foundation at 600 feet before impact. Assuming that the plane's wings were at an average elevation of 8 feet upon impact, the plane would have lost 30 feet of altitude in 600 feet of travel, averaging one foot of altitude for each 20 feet traveled.

These calculations suggest that the plane was flying within a wingspan of the ground for at least its last thousand feet, but not "inches from the ground" as some have stated. Flying so close to the ground means the plane would have been experiencing ground effect -- an increase in lift and decrease in drag produced by proximity to the ground. These effects result from the fact that the ground partially blocks the trailing vortices produced by the wing, decreasing the downwash and increasing the wing's effective angle of attack.

The influence of ground effect may have required the plane to adjust its attitude in order to maintain a course toward the Pentagon's first floor. Since lift is proportional to angle of attack up to the critical angle of attack (at which the wing stalls), compensating for the increased lift due to ground effect is simply a matter of adjusting the pitch downward to cancel out the increased lift. Although the adjustments required to maintain the shallow angle of descent may have challenged a human pilot, they would seem an easy task for a 757's autopilot, with its ability to read instruments and adjust control surfaces accordingly with great speed and accuracy.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pent ... l#approach

I'm still watching and reading some things that I will post about once that is done.