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I dont know why people are so bent on seeking an official source to tell them what did and didn't happen on 911. It been made quite clear by people like myself and others that 911 s a pack of lies as were the reasons to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. People know this. The evidence is out there even without an paid investigation.

They are not going to investigate 911, and never will if the face of the movement are these kooks talking about missile or saying flight 93 secretly flew to ohio etc.

Loose Change was three jews and a doughboy getting assistance from a millionaire. They omit everything about israel and saturate thw web with bullshit. Think about it.

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Hello, Rys.

I am a researcher that has invested the last 9 yrs. in determining the real power behind the takeover of this government. I agree with you that is a very convoluted and daunting task to pull the curtain back and reveal the all-powerful wizard that is just a pathetic old man in a yarmulke. Yes, daunting indeed, but one thing I have found over my thirty years of digging into governmeny corruption is that convolution of issues and name-calling is just another devisive tactic to muddy the waters. As my dear old Dad used to say, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit!"

I can understand why you feel so passionate over this issue if you truly believe that a plane hit the Pentagram, just as I can understand why so many are so passionate if they believe something else hit the Pentagram, but in the end, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?! This is an argument over apples and oranges. If a Global Hawk was remote-controlled, or if it was a 757 remote-controlled into the precise section that contained the evidence of the theft of 2.3 trillion, WHO CARES? The point is that it happened and now we need to assert more pressure as to where the 2.3 trillion went. Only a fool believes that it was contained only within the walls of the Pentagon. This paranoid government never puts all their eggs in one basket. The info exists somewhere.

I'm sorry to say that you are just as devisive as the retards you rail against. Grow up, get over it, and let's get down to business.

If you can correllate all the data you claim you have and can present it in a logical manner on film, then by all means do so. If presented in a non-derogatory manner, then i believe you could point many towards the truth you want to share with an audience that doesn't feel as if you are talking down to them in contempt.

Take it from a man that has spent most of his life educating others of when, where, and how our country veered off the path of justice and freedom, and being jeered at, accused of everything under the Sun for my troubles; it is best to just put the information out there, sourced to a tee, and then let everyone else take credit for your work. Much of what i read and hear today came straight from my old website back in 2003-2005, and i could care less. All that matters is the truth, and not who tells it. I have quite a bit of information on all the prime suspects of 911 and would be glad to share it for sourcing. Dov is only one that should have been immediately arrested if justice wasn't bought and paid for in this country a long time ago. George Tenet, Jerome Hauer, Frank Carlucci, James Woolsey, etc, etc., ad infinitum and ad nauseum.

In closing, i am not being overly critical of you, just that it would be very advantageous to stop focusing on the smallest detail and become more productive in uniting the 9/11 truth movement into a cohesive force to be reckoned with. If not done so soon, then it will be too late as the establishment now is setting up the framework for all dissenters to be arrested just as they were in Germany, pre and post war, Russia, China, and soon the US. Let's not allow silly minutae to divide and conquer the truth.

Sincerely,
FREEDOMROX

I agree. and remember, age has little to do with it. there are many people of all ages who are slowly realizing that a lot of things are bullshit. there are many levels to pull back before you get even close to the truth. awakening to certain levels of truth can be traumatic, which is why psy-op stylyings like AJ's loud emotionalism resonates more with newbies than anyone else, at least in general. most people move beyond AJ. for me, it was simply because he was yelling all the time, and it gave me a headache. still does.

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I get a real kick out of these people that act like it doesn't matter, oh global hawk, missile, 757 it doesn't matter they say. And act like we'll never know. But let not be divided etc.

It does matter. And we do know. People saying the crazy things about 911, the blue screens, the missile, the pods, the faked 93 crash, are exactly what poisons 911 truth and why it doesn't expand a base past an emotion yelling youth and child like adults.

There was NO motive to use a missile or a global hawk. The attack was to simulate a 757 hitting a building. There is no fucking reason not to just crash a plane into the the building. WHY is that SO hard to understand. They don't even attempt refuting they they just push repeat and go back to parroting Loose Change's talking points all of which are based in bullshit. They intentionally used misleading pictures in their film and avoided showing the entire first floor.

They did not fake the light poles, death, plane parts, and disappearing hijacked plane, and eye witnesses. What was faked was a missile theory based on Nothing but the rhetoric of liars in a staged movie that was a white wash of 911.

You're damn right I call those people retarded. I'm not sorry it hurts their widdle feewings. They deserve it. They took years of credible research and flushed it down the toilet. You're damn right I call out Alex Jones on his secret society bullshit. That is the main reason people are turned AWAY from 911. They go listen to that screaming maniac and just roll their eyes.

I have zero trouble converting a person to a truther one on one who has never really herd much about it. The trouble comes when they've already been exposed to the Jones town Loose change bullshit. I have to waste time debunking and disassociating from all that bullshit and talk about other things such as the lie behind the war, financial scandals real history etc to gain the credibility I could have started with in order to prove I'm not one of the blame illuminati idiots, before I can start talking about a Factual based not speculative 911 theory.

These people claiming to be rsearchers are not researchers, they are internet film and wikipedia mouth heads. They haven't a clue about 911, have predicted nothing, and can explain nothing. All they can do is sloganeer and call for an investigation. They wouldn't except an investigation's finding if it bit them in the ass.

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OK, I am sorry that my words and intent meant nothing to you except another rant. Feel free, sir. That was just what I was talking about. I do understand your point of view and I used to get angry at the mindless herd, but truth be told, it matters not a whit. Only truth matters. I could care less what hit the Pentagon, or what kind of explosives, (thermite, thermate, super-duper thermite or a rubber band, take your pick), took down the Trade Center, but I do care that it happened, and that there is more than enough to levy charges of treason against 80% of the dual citizen government. The end is what counts and as long as the bickering continues, then the disinfo agents win because it is using up vital resources and time, while they plod along raping this country of it's wealth and creating the very police state I warned about since 1981.

So all I can say is i am sorry. I believe you have the resources to actually produce truth and if you collborate with the right people then all the bullshit can be dispelled. Nothing screams that a person is wrong like a good dose of the truth.

As for Alex Jones, I have little to say. I fought with him in the late 90's for lying about my friend Bill Cooper, and know just who and what he is. I don't give him a thought as it does him too much credit, as well as his likud connected family.

I reckon i will have to produce a youtube video myself, and find someone who looks better than me to narrate it. I wish I had the know how to collect all the video evidence that is out there and integrate it one video, as seeing is believing, plus a dry, boring recitation would lose these young ones attention 5 minutes in. I feel your pain, man, just can't agree with the anger. I wish you the best and hope that you find a good path to trod. Peace to you and yours.

FREEDOMROX

I assure you nothing was from your website and I said the very same things in 2002-2004. A plane hitting the pentagon is commonsense.



Sorry to hear that. But Cooper did exactly what I am doing now. He told the truth and also smacked Alex around. Alex ripped off his 911 prediction and benefited fro it greatly. One has to cut away the disinfo, not just tell the truth. It's hard to fight the slick music videos and mass distribution of bullshit. You know who financed loose change? exactly.

Thermite is a nother distraction away from the truck bombs. I mean god damn how much more clearly guilty can people be or more busted can they get that to be caught on 911 in a truck full of explosives and be working for a foreign intelligence agency that was also spying on the US and benefits from the attack the most AND who pushed the anthrax myth and associated itself to the US's enemies.

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I would not say that it is all speculation. Ry did provide some evidence. Ry also mentioned two points which I feel we should keep in mind in our discussion.

1. believing that a plane hit the pentagon is not the same as believing the official version.

2. to not use a plane would only have complicated things, there is absolutely no reason to not use a plane.


I am sure they planned 9/11 to be very simple, to avoid any complications. Placing explosives during renovations or other work, and then slamming planes into them; that's it!. Why deviate from this very simple and "fail-proof" plan.


Keep up the good work Ry.

BTW, I happened to come across this animation of flight 77. I don't know if it was discussed here before, but I thought it might be relevant to this discussion.

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The testimony of the eye-witnesses I watched all said the commercial jet was well north of the 'official path' that clipped the light poles. Using a physics program it should be 'easy' to replicate those 'hits' because my 'instinct' says clipping anything at 500mph is going to move it quite some distance laterally.
As it is I will have to wait and see if that ever gets done by somebody with the program and the skills and the free-time to do it. Until then it is about as likely to bring the needed changes as the 'latest investigation' into JFK's assignation. Everybody might agree that it happened the 'revised way' but in reality they are never brought to justice as an incentive to the next ones who step into that paid position.



Both sides need to grow some skin, don't we teach our children to avoid the ones with sticks and stones but not the ones with just words? Besides he's fro Texas where loud is normal, be glad he isn't from the eastern Provinces or most everybody would be saying 'What?"


That doesn't describe others like Pilots for 911 and like sites when it is a collection of people from that industry. If they say something is 'afoot' then the 'truth' is something that takes time to establish. It is nice to see a photo of a wheel but seeing a photo of each of the wheels needed would be even better. (with a way of verifying actual size, etc)
JFK made a speech against secret societies, is that who you would call the 'illuminati'? Is there any big event that they don't have control over. Financing is required to do anything in this world.

From the view of an 'outsider' (Canada) 911 is one possible lie and that doubt is reason for another investigation, a very detailed $$$ one. That isn't being promoted as something that is going to happen by the ones who hold the purse strings. As for the invasion of Iraq, that is a proven lie yet what has changed, nothing as far as the people of Iraq are concerned. Their rights are the ones who should be first and that starts with the with-drawl of the invading military forces. On the current path they are under permanent occupation with the elite of America being the only ones who get anything out of the whole deal. If I could list 10 more examples of a known wrong that has gone unpunished then why would anybody in the international community have any expectation of change. Iraq held out hope that a new Government would undo the lies of the previous one, several elections have resulted in zero justice for them so even when the truth is known nothing is done to remedy the situation. How is that a distraction from finding out the truth, it only affirms that it is another 'so what' topic if the truth doesn't bring about any change.


What did happen to Flight 93?
The last documentary I watched about 911 was 'Zero', is that one in your 'list'? Here is the Pentagon part

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3753229616