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Post subject: Re: A plane hit the pentagon Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:49 am |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31549 Location: Japan
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Quote: You are expending to much energy bitch slapping 911 no-plane/pod people, when you should instead be directing people's attention to ‘Ending the Fed’. Let's see I have made 1/2 a video talking about the no planers which was half about the fed. I have made about 200 videos on the fed and have 4 section of this forum on economics..... I would say I am dividing my time just fine. You can't get much less than half a video. It's not too much time on that I haven't spent any time on it. It doesn't take me much time to poke holes in the retarded. I dont have to look anything u p or do much at all. All I have to do it talk to the camera and state the obvious. Quote: why believe the official version of the pentagon story yet dispute the rest of the myth? I don't. I would hardly call planes hitting the building going along with the official story. Planes hit the WTC and pentagon that is about all I agree with the official story. To deny planes hit any of these places isn't to "fight the man" it's just stupid. I'm doing a video now about the evidence for a plane since that's the only illogical "evidence" for a missile. I KNEW you won't read. I did provide evidence for this already. We all know I have to make a video and we all know the no planers will not explain a motive for a missile, how the plane headed to the pentagon disappeared and where did it go or where the people on the plane went and why pull this kind of stunt rather than just crashing it into the pentagon. NEVER. The whole "theory" rest on those silly arguments I already listed and I'm going to tackle them one by one and hopefully people will finally shit the fuck up about it because they are the bullshit that taints 911 truth. It may very well have been that the sudden no plane con artist grabbed my attention on facebook in order to distract me from the fed, but here is the thing. I am still going to talk about the fed anyway as are others. I am going to kill this missile-pentagon thing the way I helped kill wikileaks so that it can't ruin 911 truth any more. Quote: the flight controllers thought they were following a military plane That was because of the speeds it was going they didn't konw a massive hihjacking was taking place. They didn't even put it together there was a terrorist attack until after the second plane hit in new york
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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Post subject: Re: A plane hit the pentagon Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:30 am |
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Ry wrote: Quote: d) lack of evidence of bodies of passengers or highjackers at the Pentagon e) very little evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon f) another magical passport from a highjacker found at the Pentagon e) the interesting backgrounds of alleged eye witnesses who claim to have seen the plane f) the Pentagon lawn g) the obvious cover-up ie; proper emergency rescue and recovery procedures not followed h) Lloyd the cab driver's absurd story about the flight clipping down a light pole and crashing through his window d) that's false, they did find DNA of the passengers, which is not uncommon for bodies in a plane crash. e) There was plenty of wreckage of a plane consistent for slamming into a a building with Kevlar, concrete, brick, and reinforced steel columns. f) Only passports were from 93 and 11 and they were planted. 11's was not even dead, and 93's was the first cousin of a mossad spy later busted in Lebanon. The ID from 77 hasn't been produced, if so it would certainly be a plant like the others, there is no way one would survive, regardless however it wouldn't discredit a plane at all much less give credit to a missile. e2) of course they have interesting backgrounds as most of them work in the pentagon or DC so what. Many people not on the news saw the plane go over Virginia. I was at college in VA at the time, I talked to eye witnesses. One of them a brain surgeon who later died of cancer. No witnesses saw a missile. And the FBI did not go threaten 100s of thousands of Virginians. f) The lawn was completely fucked up. Loose Change shows the lawn scaled back 100 feet away from the impact. Does that look like "not a scratch on it" to you?  g) because of the secondary explosions already explained above. h) I don't know who Llyod the cab driver is, but light poles were hit and broke at the base as they are designed to do because they assume automobile crashes. it's not personal dogma, it's not dogma. Un like the missile hit the pentagon "theorist" there is no faith required. The physics of th ecrash are consistent with a plane hitting it. We have Cheney admitting a plane was 10 miles out the only plane that close was 77. we have eye witnesses, we have DNA, we have peices of plane, we also have no motive for a missile, no explanation as to where the plane flying over Virginia at 300 miles andhor plus went, or how it got right up to the pentagon and disappeared and no one saw it fly away and there is no way in hell it could land. You need to explain THAT dogma. It's my not my roll to explain the shit that is common sense obvious. I haven't made a video to convince people yet, because I haven't even bothered with it yet. I didn't bother with it because yes I do find equally as stupid as saying no plane hit the WTC. Quote: f) Only passports were from 93 and 11 and they were planted. 11's was not even dead, Thanks for correcting my misinformation. Quote: e) There was plenty of wreckage of a plane consistent for slamming into a a building with Kevlar, concrete, brick, and reinforced steel columns. Obviously the photographic evidence that exists hasn't been convincing enough for some. Quote: f) The lawn was completely fucked up. Loose Change shows the lawn scaled back 100 feet away from the impact. Does that look like "not a scratch on it" to you?  The scaled back photo that was popularized by many films I'm assuming was to show the seeming impossibility of an incoming flight to not have left markings or evidence on the lawn on it's way towards the impact of the Pentagon. That scaled in photo you posted doesn't have enough perspective to even indicate where it is in relation to the impact of the plane. It looks like the aftermath of some kind of explosion near the impact, but that's it really. Still nothing indicative of a plane crash. Quote: h) I don't know who Llyod the cab driver is, but light poles were hit and broke at the base as they are designed to do because they assume automobile crashes. You should probably look into it. Quote: It's my not my roll to explain the shit that is common sense obvious. Actually it is. This plane no plane issues seems to be upsetting to you and seems to be a big problem for you.You want to beat people up for believing something you then better at least be able get them to believe otherwise, or at least give them a better understanding, or get called out for not doing so. Quote: You need to explain THAT dogma. No I don't need to explain anything, because I'm not the one claiming I know something conclusively on way or the other. I don't necessarily subscribe to any one theory on the Pentagon because I see it as an endless red herring. You and Rivero are the main ones always claiming conclusively as to what did happen there. That's about all I've got to say on this issue, and if you intend to make a video to explain your position better I'll certainly be open to seeing what you've got to say on it.
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Post subject: Re: A plane hit the pentagon Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:33 am |
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Actually you do need to explain that dogma because to be ambivalent about it, there must be at least some balance between the ideas, if you have no clue how a plane disappear or reason for using a missile that makes you dogmatic and give you no right to say it about others. I'm going to explain to you how a plane hit the pentagon this whole day wait of teasing was to force the dumb asses out of the woods so that they can't later turn around and say they never said that. The missile theories want you to believe everything was faked and offer no motive for the missile nor evidence and cry fake regarding everything to do with the plane. They say * Lamp posts downed by plane impact: faked * Generator damage by engine impact: faked * Boeing parts on the ground and inside the building: faked * Impact hole cutout in the Pentagon matching a 757-sized jetliner: faked * Recovered DNA identifying Flight 77 passengers and crew: faked * Recovered victim personal effects provided to family members: faked * All witnesses to the plane impact: plants or confused about what they saw "Why go to the trouble of loading a 757 with high explosives, hijacking it, flying it over the ocean and vaporizing it with a ton or so of high explosives, then shooting a missile into the Pentagon, then claiming it was a 757, when you could just fly the damn 757 into the Pentagon? Who would plan all the extra steps--and for what reason?" That responding to idiots saying the real flight 77 was blown up over the ocean. Others just refuse to answer what happened to the plane and just restate questions about the holes in the pentagon with no need to feel like they must explain how the plane people saw over a very densely population part of Virgina could just halt and fly away invisible. Quote: Actually it is. This plane no plane issues seems to be upsetting to you and seems to be a big problem for you.
actually it isn't, notice the 9 year gap between 911 and me even bringing this up? I dont dwel on this, even the last vid I did on it was half on the fed and Japan, I didn't even put effort into it. I just wanted to ee how many jackass idiots there are. They need to be purged. I just decided to poke fun of the Troofers because it is amusing to me, same as picking on Christians about their magical creation mythologies, it's not even a debate, it's just a one sided smack down of me making fun of them. They deserve the ridicule. I was just made mod of 911 truth on facebook and had to contest with these morons who I thought no longer existed in such numbers because the people in my circles are educated and not retarded. When I am done making videos for this it will be done because none of those fools can debate. All they ever do is parrot films, films with major problems.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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Post subject: Re: A plane hit the pentagon Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:47 pm |
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_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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Post subject: Re: A plane hit the pentagon Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:38 pm |
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Hi Ry,
Watched your first video on Pentagon you just uploaded. On the pictures Loose Change used for the film, I have not seen smokeless photos showing the initial damage. You imply that they are available. I would like to see them if you can give me a link to them. I read that the fires water and smoke made such photos impossible. So you are saying there are real photos-not graphical representations of the damage from the wings and the engines-that Loose Change purposely did not show in order to make their false case? Please steer me in the direction of these photos.
It has been awhile since this stuff was fresh in my mind so I went back to the video-National Security Alert (watch?v=NGvXVzdlcQk). It makes a good case using convincing eye witnesses that the NTSB claimed approach of the plane that supposedly struck the Pentagon was faked. Show us you are still open and watch that video (I imagine you already have). I hope it is not on your hated "retard video list". I take away from the good evidence in that video that there is a covert agenda that required the plane approach from that specific angle-maybe to explain the pattern of damage inside the Pentagon. Perhaps many explosives were pre-set and the actual plane track was just required to do a fly over to coincide with the detonation of pre-set explosives-to give the impression of a plane strike. The reasons I thought a missile would better explain what happened was both the pin-point accuracy (unlike a big bumbling airliner) and the deep penetration with the final E ring hole being perfectly round-like depleted Uranium tipped munitions.
Finally from that same video, it looked as if the angle of attack from the film makers point of view would not have explained the interior damage pattern had that plane stuck-and not just flown over.
I can see you are frustrated and I am sorry for calling you young. You said you are 31 and have a kid. Regardless of your age, I wish there were another couple of million Rys around. This country would be a better more honest place.
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Post subject: Re: A plane hit the pentagon Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:36 pm |
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see the video I just posted, it has pictures in it showing the huge hole. Loose Change deliberately hid the hole at the pentagon with selective photos. Same as they tried to hock the pod theory in loose change 1 and the flight 93 secretly landed in Ohio and the PA hole was faked in loose change 3. Loose change is a the no plane pod people. They generated every myth about 911 kook movement in their films about each event. They said NOTHING about why the pentagon was hit, or who put the bombs in the buildings they just let you assume "the government" did it. There is nothing on the anthrax, nothing about the connection to war with Iraq, nothing about the israeli truck bombs or israeli spies. They just sat up there on the lurals of saying there were secondary explosions in the WTC (something everyone knew) and lied and lied and lied about each attack as much as they could. They pulled a wikileaks. Go look at who funded their operation and then who promoted it. The missile myth lets Dov and Britannia off the hook. People quit looking into the controlled flights. Loose change was a massive white wash of 911 and planted deceptions to destroy the movements credibility. It attracted a lot of sheep like a televangelist but also like a televangelist no matter how big their following is the rest of the world scoffs at them and can't take them seriously.
I should not be so harsh on the followers, I thought about it last night, many of them were probably only like 15 years old when it happened. They were little kids and impressionable. That's the age today who are feverish about loose change about 25 or so. The pentagon strike music video was aimed at them. They targeted the youth. I remember it was my non political sister who was in high school who showed me the video and i remember telling her it was crap right then. These loose change jackasses appear on the scene I had a DVD personally mailed to me. They went all over myspace giving away tens of thousands of DVDs. That's not some lap top creation with no budget. That's sponsorship. Israel was getting busted wide open at the time. I had already released All Roads lead to Israel and was talking about what went down on the radio. I can tell from post loose change on it all went down hill. These screaming emotional idiots clouded 911 in a sea of stupidity. Even google and such got hijacked as the web became saturated with nonsense bullshit on the topic. And that day the movement nearly died. The missile theory is taken like a religion. They don't bother explaining their side of it, and just decide to believe in it because they don't understand enough about the plane and don't want to, they already had the selective info spoon fed to them by loose change.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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Post subject: Re: A plane hit the pentagon Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:33 pm |
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With 10 yrs coming up ..... any hope that there will me some forward movement on whether a real investigation will take place?
As somebody mentioned, as tragic as it was, it was a piece in a larger puzzle. On the scale and magnitude of 'great lies in the recent past' it might be more of a catalyst than being singularly important. That means 'they' might have gotten careless and made some blatant errors. A trip can show a soft underbelly.
Cleaning up that mess would seem to be preferred if it was done from the inside by Americans using their own justification and constitutional tools (to avoid war crimes), by something with more bite than election promises. That also means once that pillar is wobbly the European Nations do the exact same thing. The loot is about $700 trillion, $500 T after expenses. Nothing to see there, move along.
What action can even be taken that results in all requests for information is granted without delay and broadcast as intensely as OJ and public opinion will rule, as it should. Once you can vote from home you can fire Washington and send most of the State Gov home do sit and do as little damage to themselves and others as 'free time' allows. Getting some tips from those who live on one meal a day would be helpful.
To the real question. Since that loop was beyond most Pilots skills how would it work by remote, not by a human operator but by a digital plotted flight that needed only occasional corrections (if that). The anti-hijacking back-door could be utilized if the real Pilots could be convinced to turn off their transponder. Once that is done control cab be from a remote site. If/when/how the Pentagon was targeted by a guided missile it would be for the targeting a very tiny target that it has rather than it's explosive powers. A recently renovated area could be pre-packed will all sorts of things, like specific parts that were to be found 'later' Sloppy would be not taking those extra steps.
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Post subject: Re: A plane hit the pentagon Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:25 pm |
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I dont know why people are so bent on seeking an official source to tell them what did and didn't happen on 911. It been made quite clear by people like myself and others that 911 s a pack of lies as were the reasons to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. People know this. The evidence is out there even without an paid investigation.
They are not going to investigate 911, and never will if the face of the movement are these kooks talking about missile or saying flight 93 secretly flew to ohio etc.
Loose Change was three jews and a doughboy getting assistance from a millionaire. They omit everything about israel and saturate thw web with bullshit. Think about it.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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