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rory5
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Post subject: Real Answers to the Litvinenko Poisoning Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:59 am |
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http://xymphora.blogspot.com/
The answers to the Litvinenko poisoning puzzle are falling into place nicely, despite the efforts of the British police to muddy the waters:
All the people who met with Litvinenko on the day of his poisoning were +associated with anti-Putin forces, and most, if not all, with wanted criminal fugitive Boris Berezovsky.
Mario +Scaramella, the fellow who met with Litvinenko at the sushi restaurant (in fact, initiated the contact on what may have been a ruse, suggested the meeting, and picked the restaurant), didn’t eat, but just watched Litvinenko eat. He has a dodgy resume, but claims to be an expert on nuclear materials.
The Russians have been trying to +extradite Boris Berezovsky for years, without success. They have just signed a new +agreement with the British which may make extradition requests procedurally easier, something which may have made the oligarchs nervous. Extradition was always technically possible, but was +rejected by British courts on the basis that defendants would not get a fair trial in Russia. Suddenly, a wrench is thrown into the works of British-Russian relations. A nuclear attack on British soil! Extradition to Russia suddenly becomes much more difficult.
Polonium was detected at the offices of Boris +Berezovsky, and at the offices of Erinys, one of the mercenary companies used by the Bush Administration in Iraq. The connection is that Neil Bush is a business +partner of Boris Berezovsky. Now the FBI is +involved, so the cover-up is getting serious!
After finding traces of polonium at places where they shouldn’t have looked, the police confused the issue by searching planes, and basically determined that planes flying all over Europe had had this stuff on board. Therefore, they proved nothing, and unnecessarily alarmed the British public.
Litvinenko had been making wild allegations about Putin for years, and was ignored as another crank. Boris Berezovsky was actively +looking for another writer to pen another book of anti-Putin slurs. Such a book will certainly sell now! As I’ve already said, Putin had no reason to care about this guy, and certainly no reason to kill him in a way to give any credibility to his allegations. The entire PR campaign, including all the allegations, has been run by Boris Berezovsky’s usual +advertising +agency, called in by Berezovsky to turn an unknown incident into a cause célèbre. Even the original Thallium-spouting toxicologist was +hired by Boris!
You have to remember the context of the fight between Putin and Boris Berezovsky. A group of crooks arranged for Yeltsin to run Russia, and then Yeltsin looked the other way while the oligarchs robbed the country blind. It was the single largest theft in the history of crime. A large part of Putin’s popularity in Russia is based on the fact that he is perceived as standing up for Russia and the Russian people, something almost unheard of in the last thousand years of Russian history. A major part of his reputation is based on his attempts to jail the crooks and recover the stolen assets. Putin has one of the main oligarchs, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, in jail, but has been thwarted in his attempts to capture most of them due to the fact that most of them are claiming to be Jews and are hiding in Israel under Israeli protection (part of the habitual Israeli mockery of international law is that it usually won’t extradite Jews, or very rich people who claim to be Jews, which is part of the reason it is such an international organized crime haven). Boris Berezovsky has been sheltered by the British. It is only the oligarchs who have the criminal history, as well as the motive, means and opportunity, to commit this crime.
I note that the Israeli +angle to the case is pure DEBKA disinformation intended to cast more slurs on Putin’s righteous recapturing of the oligarch-stolen assets of Yukos (ask yourself, why would DEBKA point a finger towards Israel?). This Cold War +nonsense – Cryptome, which usually has exemplary instincts, has been publishing a lot of crap lately! – is going to be the subject of a +lawsuit by the defamed Romano Prodi. Finally, the idea that the murder had to do with upcoming revelations about Putin +involvement in a dirty war against the Chechens is the height of nonsense. The Russians, who are more hip to conspiracy theory than those decadent progressives in the decadent West (largely because the long-suffering Russian people don’t have the luxury of ignoring the truth because it doesn’t match the color of their political drapes), know all about that stuff, including the idea that the Russian government blew up buildings in Moscow in order to help Putin get elected. Revelations about Putin’s dirty tricks would increase Putin’s popularity in Russia.
I doubt that his crime will ever be solved. The Labour Party, which is in the middle of a scandal involving selling House of Lords seats to rich people for cash loans, bankrupt (due to the hilarious fact that some of the rich guys, one of whom got arrested rather than a peerage, want their money back!), and presumably can be bought at record low prices. The British police are following the usual corrupt practice of barking up the wrong tree. The one thing the oligarchs have a lot of, due to their raping of the Russian people, is cash.
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aucuneconnerie
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:47 pm |
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Here is one more point-of-view, published on Cryptome's site, whom the author of the piece above disses:
http://cryptome.org/mi6-litvinenko.htm
Yes, John Young of Cryptome does have "exemplary instincts," and a ten-year online history of displaying them. I would not be as quick as the above author to dismiss them. The Litvinenko story is only just beginning. None of these characters thought they were going to get caught. The polonium angle is making this story out of control, and we are being subjected to a feast of disinformation from all concerned in order to cover tracks they never thought they had to bother with.
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aucuneconnerie
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:34 pm |
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BTW, I think xymphora makes a cogent argument.
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aucuneconnerie
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:06 pm |
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From the Congressional Quarterly:
http://public.cq.com/public/20061201_homeland.html
BACKCHANNEL CHATTER
Putin on the Risk: Don’t be too quick to finger Russian president Vladimir Putin in the radiation rub-out of disaffected former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London Nov. 23, says a retired CIA operative who spent a career trying to outwit his Soviet opposites. “I see it all as a little too pat,” says Milt Bearden, a 30-year CIA veteran and chief of its Soviet/East European Division when the Kremlin crumbled in 1990.
“Is Putin insane or stupid? I think not,” Bearden e-mailed me last week.
“I tilt toward a setup,” Bearden said. The villain? “Someone with the [scientific] resources of a state,” a large research laboratory, perhaps, with connections to the criminal underworld.
“This story has legs,” Bearden went on, “just what Putin would not want if he was behind it.”
Stay tuned...
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:03 am |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31517 Location: Japan
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The first post rory5 made I thought was hard to read So I made this.
Quote: 1 All the people who met with Litvinenko on the day of his poisoning were associated with anti-Putin forces, and most, if not all, with wanted criminal fugitive Boris Berezovsky. 2 Mario Scaramella, the fellow who met with Litvinenko at the sushi restaurant (in fact, initiated the contact on what may have been a ruse, suggested the meeting, and picked the restaurant), didn’t eat, but just watched Litvinenko eat. He has a dodgy resume, but claims to be an expert on nuclear materials. 3 The Russians have been trying to extradite Boris Berezovsky for years, without success. They have just signed a new agreement with the British which may make extradition requests procedurally easier, something which may have made the oligarchs nervous. Extradition was always technically possible, but was rejected by British courts on the basis that defendants would not get a fair trial in Russia. Suddenly, a wrench is thrown into the works of British-Russian relations. A nuclear attack on British soil! Extradition to Russia suddenly becomes much more difficult. 4 Polonium was detected at the offices of Boris Berezovsky, and at the offices of Erinys, one of the mercenary companies used by the Bush Administration in Iraq. The connection is that Neil Bush is a business partner of Boris Berezovsky. Now the FBI is involved, so the cover-up is getting serious! 5 After finding traces of polonium at places where they shouldn’t have looked, the police confused the issue by searching planes, and basically determined that planes flying all over Europe had had this stuff on board. Therefore, they proved nothing, and unnecessarily alarmed the British public. 6 Litvinenko had been making wild allegations about Putin for years, and was ignored as another crank. Boris Berezovsky was actively looking for another writer to pen another book of anti-Putin slurs. Such a book will certainly sell now! As I’ve already said, Putin had no reason to care about this guy, and certainly no reason to kill him in a way to give any credibility to his allegations. The entire PR campaign, including all the allegations, has been run by Boris Berezovsky’s usual advertising agency, called in by Berezovsky to turn an unknown incident into a cause célèbre. Even the original Thallium-spouting toxicologist was hired by Boris!
These are all things we have brought up on this site. I pointed to Boris even before the evidence came out, because it was so obvious to me as soon as I heard they were Putin hunting again in the media.
I take issue with number 5. The reason the planes were searched is because those were the planes tha the mafioso Litvinenko had been on, he had been smuggling nuclear meterial and bringing it to Israel and the UK. Looks like they planned on making a dirty bomb in the UK.
number 6 Litvinenko damned himself with his conspiracy theories even going as far as blaming 911 on Russia. Interesting projection there because we know his business partner Neil and his two brothers Marvin and Geroge Bush really were involved in 911.
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adam1
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:40 am |
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Thanks Ry. It is clear now.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:35 pm |
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Interesting read as i watch right now the media trying to shift the blame on to Russia's Putin.
Can someone explain what an Oligarch is? i have no clue.
_________________ "Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of ... [Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government." –Thomas Jefferson
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adam1
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:22 pm |
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expendable youth wrote: Interesting read as i watch right now the media trying to shift the blame on to Russia's Putin. 8)
Can someone explain what an Oligarch is? i have no clue.
Ry thoroughly explains them here http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=4260
but for a summary: they're basically a bunch of criminals (zionists) who managed to get Boris Yeltsin the drunk in charge of the Soviet Union and while he was being clueless they robbed the country blind, then they tryied to get away, but Putin landed one in jail.
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