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 Post subject: Re: Japanese MP drinks Fukushima water
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:00 pm 
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the alt media is not fear mongering


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Yes it is.

But you guys would know cause you live here and see/read all the daily news and talk to people working there and understand nuclear science inside and out.

Fukushima is fucked. Japan is not fucked. They really are decontaminating the area. TEPCO has been forced to pay off billions in compensations. They are going to go under for it. No bail out for them. This isn't America.


Although very tragic for Japan and the Japanese people, it has been a very good exercise in media analysis for me personally to have a "three points of reference" model on this Fukushima story. The Zionist Mainstream Media, the Alternative Web Media . . .

. . . and the "canary in the coal mine" with his wife and child, whose "North Carolina native" judgment I respect and trust.

Of particular interest is the timing of when Fukushima shows up in the media . . . compared to news stories that seem to get lost down the memory hole. It is easy to "short circuit" someone's attention with "Fear" . . .

. . . Freud's nephew Edward Bernays made a career with this misdirection propaganda strategy . . . and one of his favorite mass media tools was "Nuclear Radiation" fear.

Of course, Mr. Dawson, you will let us know if you get bitten by any radioactive spiders . . . and start crawling on the ceiling, yes? . . :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese MP drinks Fukushima water
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there is a serious radiation threat in japan, in a few years time when stats on cancer, miscarriages, still births, infant mortality, birth defects, etc are released the picture will be more clear. besides people like christopher busby can hardly be described as david icke.

how was the alt media wrong about libya? it was saying pretty much the opposite of what the MSM was saying. as for egypt, there were mixed reactions. As for this site, it is a form of alternative media.

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese MP drinks Fukushima water
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there is a serious radiation threat in japan, in a few years time when stats on cancer, miscarriages, still births, infant mortality, birth defects, etc are released the picture will be more clear.


Mr. Michael Rivero just posted an interesting "nightmare scenario" on What Really Happened that made me wonder, "At what point are people going to DEMAND accountability to what REALLY happened with Fuskisma?"

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"Israel

Here is a nightmare scenario for you.

1. Israel and the US create Stuxnet.

2. Stuxnet is deployed to wreck Iran's nuclear power station.

3. But Stuxnet escapes from its intended target and spreads across Asia!

4. As the above article documents, Stuxnet was in Japan last October, presumably still spreading and intended to wreck nuclear power plants.

5. Stuxnet targets the Siemens controller

6. Fukushima uses the Seimens controllers Stuxnet was designed interfere with!

So now the difficulty the Fukushima nuclear plant operators faced in recovering control over their runaway reactors takes on a darker significance. Remember that the first problem following the quake was that the automated shutdown systems failed to operate at some of the reactors, because pumps failed and valves would not open even while running on batteries; the very sorts of mischief Stuxnet supposedly was designed to cause at Iran's power station.

Did we all just get hacked to death by Israel?"
- Michael Rivero


It is currently up on the front page near the top and has all the hyperlinks to background articles that didn't transfer when I cut & pasted. Go check it out.

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http://whatreallyhappened.com/

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese MP drinks Fukushima water
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:28 am 
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There is fission suspected in the No 2 reactor right now. How do I know because its on TV. Lets see how long that takes to hit US alt media and how much it gets blown up.

November 02, 2011 11:45 AM

Tepco Detects Nuclear Fission at Fukushima Dai-Ichi Station
http://news.businessweek.com/article.as ... JPAVA41NPT

(Updates with confirmation of xenon in second paragraph.)

Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Tokyo Electric Power Co. detected signs of nuclear fission at its crippled Fukushima atomic power plant, raising the risk of increased radiation emissions. No increase in radiation was found at the site and the situation is under control, officials said.

The company, known as Tepco, began spraying boric acid on the No. 2 reactor at 2:48 a.m. Japan time to prevent accidental chain reactions, according to an e-mailed statement today. The detection of xenon, which is associated with nuclear fission, was confirmed today by the Japan Atomic Energy Agency, the country's atomic regulator said.

“Given the signs, it's certain that fission is occurring,” Junichi Matsumoto, a general manager at Tepco who regularly talks to the media, told reporters in Tokyo today. There's been no large-scale or sustained criticality and no increase in radiation, he said.

Fission taking place in the reactor can lead to increases in radiation emissions and raises concerns about further leaks after another radioactive hot spot was discovered in Tokyo on Oct. 29. It's possible there are similar reactions occurring in the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors, the other cores damaged at the station, Matsumoto said.

“Melted fuel in the No. 2 reactor may have undergone a sustained process of nuclear fission or re-criticality,” Tetsuo Ito, the head of Kinki University's Atomic Energy Research Institute, said by phone. “The nuclear fission should be containable by injecting boron into the reactor to absorb neutrons.”

Loss of Cooling

Trade and Industry Minister Yukio Edano delivered a warning to Hiroyuki Fukano, the head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, because the information on the discovery of xenon wasn't passed to the prime minister's office in a timely manner, Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura told reporters today.

Shares of Tepco declined 2.6 percent to close at 302 yen on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. They've fallen 86 percent since the disaster. The benchmark Nikkei 225 Stock Average was down 2.2 percent.

Eight months after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami wrecked the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant, causing a loss of cooling and the meltdowns of three reactors, Tepco is trying to prevent further leakage of radiation that has spread across the world.

The incident, the worst atomic disaster since Chernobyl in 1986, was responsible for the biggest discharge of radioactive material into the ocean in history, according to a study from a French nuclear safety institute.

Evaluating Reactions

“We are evaluating whether there are many reactions or not or whether its stopped,” Matsumoto said. The incident won't affect its schedule of bringing the plant under control by the end of this year, Matsumoto said.

Yasuhiro Sonoda, a member of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan, on Oct. 31 drank a glass of filtered water from the Fukushima plant to demonstrate the situation is being brought under control.

Sonoda denied reporters' claims it was a publicity stunt. “I drank it because there shouldn't be any concerns about the water,” he said. “I didn't intend to say it's completely safe by drinking it.”

No significant changes in temperatures and pressures of the reactor and radiation levels at the site have been detected, said Hiroyuki Usami, a spokesman for Tepco.

Reactor Readings

The temperature of the bottom of the No. 2 reactor pressure vessel was 76 degrees Celsius (167 Fahrenheit) at 5 a.m. today, compared with 77.4 degrees a day earlier and 77.5 degrees two days ago, according to Tepco's data. Radiation levels taken near the west gate of the plant have been stable at about 11 microsieverts per hour for the past few days, the data shows

Should fissioning have occurred the injection of boron will have stopped it, said Tadashi Narabayashi, a former reactor safety researcher at Toshiba Corp. and now a nuclear engineering professor at Hokkaido University.

Fissioning involves the splitting of atoms, which, in the case of certain uranium isotopes, can lead to an uncontrolled reaction and emittance of radiation.

Tepco and the government have said they are on track to bring the damaged reactors into a safe state known as cold shutdown by the end of the year.

Nuclear fission would be taking place in a “very restricted part” of the reactor, said Koganeya. The regulator believes fuel accumulated at the bottom of the pressure vessel and containment vessel is unlikely to start melting again, he said.

Damaged Reactors

Fukushima sustained major damage at four of its six reactor buildings at the Dai-Ichi plant, including the three core meltdowns and possible damage to a spent fuel pool.

The radioactive cesium that flowed into the sea from the plant was 20 times the amount estimated by Tepco, according to the Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety, which is funded by the French government.

The oceanic study estimates 27,000 terabecquerels of radioactive cesium 137 leaked into the sea from the plant. The

Fukushima station may have emitted more than twice the amount of radiation than estimated by the Japanese government at the height of the Fukushima accident, according to another study by the Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics journal.

Tepco has declined to comment on both studies.

--With assistance from Taku Kato, Sachiko Sakamaki and Takehiko Kumakura in Tokyo. Editor: Aaron Sheldrick

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese MP drinks Fukushima water
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:22 am 
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You've got two corporate factions fighting on the media, the Nuclear industry and Big oil. The US hasn't made any new nuclear plants since 1979. But the rest of the world has been making them. Japan can not get 50% of its electricity from coal the way America does. America only uses oil for 1% of its electricity. Japan's has always been in the 40s% and now with 6 reactors offline they have got to get more energy from somewhere. The new PM is pro nuclear even with 92% of the population against him that's the beauty/ugly of a parliament, the PM is not directly elected. However he is also hell bent on punishing TEPCO from the top down which 99% are in favor of doing.

I ignore the media as much as possible and look at science. What is science saying? Going by as many independent sources as possible note that these are people with reason to know what is real because they are being effected by it and it is at their own risk, you see that both TEPCO and US media alt and otherwise, are lying/wrong.

Readings indeed show that there is radiation of significant levels outside the evacuation zone and that at least one core is in fission. TEPCO is full of shit and NHK and the gov are dragging their heels. But also note that unlike in the US the majority of people still get their news from newspapers not TV. My own opinion on why that is, is because it is something to do on the train. And the papers have been much more accurate than the TV. But these things are not being translated into English and tossed on videos on the web.

But assuming Japan all of it is just secretly doused in radiation form Okinawa to Hokkaido is just simply wrong. Everything was worse in March than it is now. Thus the clean up is working. I would say Fukushima the whole state is fucked including the capital. I can't prove that but if you are going to bet your life on something why not just move at least until we have more solid info. But to expand that to other prefectures one without any readings for radiation is fear-mongering. And these silly maps with the color coding you see are not based on science they're graphic representations of computer simulation simulations made with data made from imaginations not empirical evidence. They measure wind on the jet stream and then say well it could go to any of these spots. And yet looking at these maps is about as deep as most people decide to "research" at all.

Now there are Americans saying but but we found radiation reading in such and such a place. Yes I am sure that's true but sadly you may have found those before the tsunami too. Dont think all the nuke testing and US reactors are all hunky-dory. US has been blowing up nukes in the deserts for decades. Cancer rates comply too.

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese MP drinks Fukushima water
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Fukushima the whole state is fucked including the capital


so you admit tokyo is screwed?

why didn't they evacuate the city and build another tokyo else where?

beyond tokyo what exactly is worth visiting in japan?

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese MP drinks Fukushima water
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so you admit tokyo is screwed?


no the captial of fukushima is fukushima city and its screwed. Tokyo is not screwed, it's quite far away.

Tokyo is not worth visiting in Japan lol. The better part of Japan is Osaka, Kyoto, and Nara.

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Tokyo is not worth visiting in Japan lol. The better part of Japan is Osaka, Kyoto, and Nara.

That will change when they build Tokyo 2.0, the backup city featuring "offices, resorts, casinos and parks - as well as essential government facilities in case of disaster."

Japan Unveils Plans To Build Tokyo Back-Up City 300 Miles Away

Plan B: Japanese government unveils proposal for backup city in case earthquake cripples Tokyo
4th November 2011
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Tokyo.html

Concerned about the impact a crippling earthquake could have on Tokyo, the Japanese government has unveiled plans to develop an entire backup city in case.

Snappily called the IRTBBC - or Integrated Resort Tourism, Business and Backup City - the spare city will be built on a 1,236-acre site 300 miles west of the capital Tokyo.

The potential site is on the site of Itami Airport - which is politically unpopular and has been superceded by other airports including Kansai and Kobe, according to wired.co.uk., and could also boast a 1,900ft-tall office tower.

Hajime Ishii, a member of the ruling Democratic Party, told the website: 'The idea is being able to have a back-up, a spare battery for the functions of the nation.'

It could be home to 50,000 residents and 200,000 workers and will also feature offices, resorts, casinos and parks - as well as essential government facilities in case of disaster.

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