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 Post subject: Too Sexy for my Burka
 Post Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:30 am 
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Thanks again for this video:

funny and sad
Im glad I wasnt born under rule of Islam or the xtain faith.



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 Post subject: Re: Too Sexy for my Burka
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:30 pm 
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So, they have a problem with other people's ideas of modesty being catered to by companies that want to sell them their clothing products. :?


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 Post subject: Re: Too Sexy for my Burka
 Post Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:34 am 
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Nice try! :lol:

Forced modesty, maybe.
Rape and killing are not a “modest act” and it isn’t an act of love, its fear. It is an act of control. Which it appears Muslim men don’t have any. Why else would you throw a sheet over a woman from head to toe? Gotta love honor killing. YAY! ALLAH! LALALALA!


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 Post subject: Re: Too Sexy for my Burka
 Post Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:26 pm 
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Phys wrote:
Nice try! :lol:

Forced modesty, maybe.
Rape and killing are not a “modest act” and it isn’t an act of love, its fear. It is an act of control. Which it appears Muslim men don’t have any. Why else would you throw a sheet over a woman from head to toe? Gotta love honor killing. YAY! ALLAH! LALALALA!


Rape and killing have nothing to do with covering yourself. If someone's going to rape and/or kill someone else, what they're wearing won't change that. Honor killing is a backwards cultural practice that some still do in this world, just like so many other things. Yazidis in Kurdistan, for example, still do it, and they're opposed to Muslims and Islam. It's a fallacy to assume that everything any Muslim does, has some Islamic justification.

It's only "forced modesty" if they're actually forced to do it. It is not "forced modesty" if they choose to do it, which of course, a lot of them do, especially in secular, western countries. It's amazing that people can take one possible justification for a religious injunction as being the sole reason for that religious injunction. Yet, it's those "possible justifications", as well as people's individual, opinionated analogies (which they very carefully and selectively nit-picked from) that they jump on.

It's a very simple concept to understand; Muslims believe that God obliges believing women to be modest by dressing a certain way, so they do it. It's not because they're 'scared of being raped/killed' if they don't. It's what can be called "willful obedience". Men have a modesty dress code as well (though it doesn't cover nearly as much).

Also, being covered from head to toe is no more a symbol of "oppression" than being bare-butt naked is a symbol of "freedom". Slaves sometimes wore next to nothing, and slavery is about the farthest you can get from "free". At the same time, people of exceptionally high status, who could sometimes do anything they wanted, were sometimes covered "from head to toe", yet their position was about the farthest you could get from being a slave. So, that whole argument really doesn't fly, as it's very subjective. Yet they're trying to portray it as some sort of indisputable fact, when clearly it isn't.

It's even more ridiculous when they try to say that covering everything except the hands and face is oppressive. How more absurd can they be than that? That implies that if I'm wearing a hoodie (with the hood up), as well as pants and shoes, that I'd be "oppressed". Or would I not be, since I'm a guy? Do they differentiate it's alleged "oppressiveness" between guys and girls doing that? If so, isn't that sexism in itself? Or do they differentiate on the reasons that it's being done? Well, they seem to only be focusing on people's personal justifications and analogies, which aren't official reasons. They're so dishonest and hypocritical.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Sexy for my Burka
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:18 pm 
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Islam does not force women to cover like this. What about women forced not to wear a scarf, like in parts of the western world? is that not abuse? I believe women should be judged for who they are. not how they look. What is see is abuse is that western women must wear makeup, tight or revealing clothing and follow some sort of stereotype of 'beauty' , i find it abusive that women are viewed as a piece of meat in some western societies. I realize that there are places where women are forced to wear like the women in video, but it does not mean that that's how Islam works.

There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. 2:256

my own mother does not wear a scarf, do you see me stoning her or some other over the top shit like that?

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 Post subject: Re: Too Sexy for my Burka
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ok i just watched the video,these are people who mixed old style culture, bad thinking with religion. does it matter that a bunch of rapes are carried out in norway by 'muslims' or that women might be harrassed for not covering, or does it matter what some sheik says? they sheik, is not the Quran. this makes as much sense as me saying that since zionists jews abuse people that i should hate all jews, or since Stalin was athiest i should say all athiests believe in killing innocent people or slave labor. anyway Islam also tells men to dress modestly. I can recommend to my brothers and sisters to dress modestly but i cant force them to

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 Post subject: Re: Too Sexy for my Burka
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:31 pm 
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That ad does not objectify women, your mind does.

You cannot place blame or joy outside of self.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Sexy for my Burka
 Post Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:26 am 
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ne0aes0p wrote:
Phys wrote:
That ad does not objectify women, your mind does.



What exactly does the ad do?


Different things for different people.
My point!


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