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 Post subject: Will hunt down terrorists in Pakistan: Obama
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:05 pm 
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Wednesday, August 1, 2007 (Washington)
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists, an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive.

The Illinois Senator warned Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under an Obama presidency, or Pakistan will risk a US troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in US military aid.

''Let me make this clear,'' Obama said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

''There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.''

The excerpts were provided by the Obama campaign in advance of the speech.

Obama's speech comes the week after his rivalry with New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton erupted into a public fight over their diplomatic intentions.

Obama said he would be willing to meet leaders of rogue states like Cuba, North Korea and Iran without conditions, an idea that Clinton criticized as irresponsible and naive. Obama responded by using the same words to describe Clinton's vote to authorize the Iraq war and called her ''Bush-Cheney lite.''

Thousands of Taliban fighters are based in Pakistan's vast and jagged mountains, where they can pass into Afghanistan, train for suicide operations and find refuge from local tribesmen. Intelligence experts warn that al-Qaida could be rebuilding here to mount another attack on the United States.

Musharraf has been a key ally of Washington in fighting terrorism since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, but has faced accusations from some quarters in Pakistan of being too closely tied to America.

The Bush administration has supported Musharraf and stressed the need to cooperate with Pakistan, but lately administration officials have suggested the possibility of military strikes to deal with al-Qaida and its leader, Osama bin Laden.

'Right battlefield'

Analysts say an invasion could risk destabilizing Pakistan, breeding more militancy and undermining Musharraf. The Pakistani Foreign Office, protective of its national sovereignty, has warned that US military action would violate international law and be deeply resented.

A military invasion could be risky, given Pakistan's hostile terrain and the suspicion of its warrior-minded tribesmen against uninvited outsiders.

Congress passed legislation on Friday that would tie aid from the United States to Islamabad's efforts to stop al-Qaida and the Taliban from operating in its territory. President George W Bush has yet to sign it.

The speech was a condemnation of President Bush's leadership in the war on terror.

Obama said the focus on Iraq has left Americans in more danger than before September 11, 2001, and that Bush has misrepresented the enemy as Iraqis who are fighting a civil war instead of the terrorists responsible for the attacks six years ago.

''He confuses our mission,'' Obama said, then he spread responsibility to lawmakers like Clinton who voted for the invasion. ''By refusing to end the war in Iraq, President Bush is giving the terrorists what they really want, and what the Congress voted to give them in 2002: a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.''

Obama said that as commander-in-chief he would remove troops from Iraq and put them ''on the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan.'' He said he would send at least two more brigades to Afghanistan and increase non-military aid to the country by $1 billion.

He also said he would create a three-year, $5 billion program to share intelligence with allies worldwide to take out terrorist networks from Indonesia to Africa.

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 Post Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:43 pm 
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Sounds like he's caving to public opinion with empty rhetoric planned by paid advisors...

CONGRATULATIONS, Mr. Obama! You are now a typical politician!

PS: It seems like there was a time when I liked this guy, but I can't remember when that was for the life of me :?

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 Post Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:44 pm 
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This would be a very bad move. The government in Pakistan is shaky at best and they DO have nukes. They are not going to tolerate the civilian casualties that Afghanistan and Iraq suffered. This is what you call "expanding" the war on terror and will create MORE extremists. Almost everything the US has done has made the problem WORSE, not better. Now they're going to make it eorse yet again.

Yay facism!


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 Post Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:07 pm 
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Thunk Army wrote:
This would be a good thing.

Musharoff and half of Pakistan support Al Qaeda. They should have been the target right after 9/11, not Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran.

Of course we don't need an invasion either.


That wouldnt be a good thing...Its a disgusting thing

then you could say all the wahabi's in saudi support Al Qaeda so Saudi should be the target

At the end of the day Musharoff is hated by his own peope and i highly doubt that half the nation support Al Qaeda!

The people in Pakistan themselves call for a islamic democracy!

Ive met alot of British Born pakistani's in the UK and they love going there to see there family and i dont think they go there because they love Al Qaeda supporters!

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 Post Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:17 pm 
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great move for the neocons

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Muhammad Ali wrote:
great move for the neocons


r u for this? :?

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 Post Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:44 am 
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let me paraphrase:

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Obama WAR WAR WAR Rogue States Cuba North Korean Iran WAR Pakistain+alQaeda WAR Bush sucks WAR $5 Billion to Israel to broker fabricated intelligence WAR Guarantee to MIC companies that Obama is the war spending candidate with more war campaigns in mind than any other candidate WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR

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 Post Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:06 am 
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Al Qaida does not exist per se, but the term is used to describe small unorganized groups with questionable beginnings and motives who want to attack us. There are extremist groups and we have made more on purpose, I believe. At this point I don't think the US can handle another country. It will get ugly. Sooner or later other countries are going get together to stop the US if this goes like this. Just like they did Hitler. The German people I am sure did not think their country was evil during WWII.


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