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 Post Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:47 pm 
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She's not a war industry puppet, who the fuck cares if she's a socialist?

For the life of me I cannot understand why people STILL do not grasp what deep shit we are in as long as the MIC is steering ALL of us, all living beings on earth into a really nasty, horrible future..... of widespread DU contamination, nuclear holocaust, and endless wars that will only get bigger and uglier. Already the region and the people of the Middle East have been poisoned beyond REPAIR or healing and this is genocide, it is far, FAR worse than Nazi Germany ever was! It can't be cleaned up :(

Millions of people, with families and jobs and hopes and dreams just like you and me are doomed to suffer with the poison they have already ingested. And people are worried about American kids getting school vouchers? Or on the other side, worried that Ron Paul will overturn Roe Vs Wade for American women? This is insanity! How important are these issues compared to children losing their limbs and their parents to American weapons that our tax money has bought and paid for? We have BLOOD on our hands and no right, imho, to be worried about our petty little differences. Not now! Not until we make this wrong right by stopping the war industry from murdering innocent people in OUR name.

Cynthia McKinney is on the same side as Ron Paul and as anyone who understands just how corrupt and bad things REALLY are. I hope Ron Paul chooses someone with differing views...someone more leaning left...just to send a message of unity. Man we really need that now!

The Neocon Zionists and their dirty little puppets need to be treated no better than the war criminals they ARE. I am anti-death penalty but I would have no problem kicking the chairs out from under them if it meant the world was safe from their EVIL ways. This is self-defense.

We must support the few good politicians who have the courage and integrity to stand up against FASCISTS. We must back them up, even if they aren't on our "side" of the political fence on the issues. And we must put aside our differences in values and perspectives and be united. If we fail to be united then they WILL win. And this is what they are counting on! An disunited blue and red country.

OMG people need to wake the fuck up!

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okay people. now raise your hand if anyone can tell me what another name of the Nazi party was in germany? anyone?

yes you.

THATS RIGHT. THE national SOCIALIST party.

HMMMMM.


lets see...i just don't understand why some people think that the centralization of power breeds corruption!! i mean look at israel, one of the best countries in the world, their NOT corrupt by any means, and they are by every definition a socialist welfare state.


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foreal, were talking about fixing America to the best of our ability and preventing american tax money or ANY intervention done by our GOVERNMENT.


cynthia mckinney is a socialist bitch who would indirectly (at the least) continue government corruption and we'd NEVER get out from the chains of slavery that our government and controlled society put on us.

i love how she says some bad stuff about Jews, their lobby and mentions some humanitarian stuff that no one else in congress has and everyone thinks she is hot shit.

FUCK ZIONISM, but its not the ONLY corrupt politcal movement. socialism, fascism (which is a close relative of socialism), nazism or whatever, their ALL authoritarian/totalitarian forms of government and guess who were the movers and shakers who were behind most of them?

any guesses? Supremest Jews/zionists whatever you wanna call em.

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yeah.

but like i said before, someone might mean to do the right thing, but still do the wrong thing. does that change the fact that you did something wrong?

now this is just my OPINION. im not telling anyone how government should be run, its just my opinion. and i don't care if they are socialist because they think its more human or whatever, its still fucked up and i wont support it.

its like saying, well hitler thought he was doing the right thing, so you shouldn't focus on the bad..

lol


but yeah, im not trying to start a fight or anything, i just really care and when i see good hearted and minded people supporting someone or something i think is really bad, i just want to point out my view. what they do with that info and my view is up to them. im not trying to make everyone believe what i do, just offering it up consideration.


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Aaron I agree completely. And I think there are many well meaning lefties who, with a compassionate approach, might look to Ron Paul if it were presented to them in a decent way.

I can see your point as well Evan, and I do agree that socialism sucks more than Jeffersonianism =)

But I still think we need to be united for the cause of No War, instead of divided for the sake of less urgent partisan issues. The red/blue politics as usual approach needs to be set aside....and people need to wake up to truth.... most of our government, on both the left and right, is corrupt as hell.

I believe that Cynthia McKinney, liberal and socialistic as she is, is a (former) elected politician who is honest and well intentioned. SHe is coming from a completely different perspective. She is not bad because she sees the world through different eyes. I get what you're saying...but I just think there's a bigger picture here that needs to be understood. There are some really quality socialists/democrats who believe with all their hearts that people will suffer without a large government to care for them. It is going to take a LOT of re-education to get people who have been indoctrinated with this worldview to see another way. Minds will be closed to attack...its much better to find the common ground if we are to connect with those who maybe can change their minds and see things from a different perspective...and join the Ron Paul Revolution. =)

I used to believe that antiwar meant left of center. It was Ry's compassionate views of dems/socialists that really pulled me over to Ron Paul. He was never holier than thou, judgmental, harsh or critical of the leftist antineocons/antizionist non-puppets in office, but looked instead for common ground. If he had been so critical of a great woman who is courageous enough to stand up to the bad guys..well I wouldn't have stuck around long. And I would probably be over at the Kucinich site right now=)

I have never voted Republican in my life. And I have never been so absolutely certain of any candidate as I am Ron Paul. Not even Clinton, who I worked for in '92. <puke> I can't stand that traitor anymore!!!

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I'll just remind people the Cynthia is no longer in office and when she was she opposed the war which has killed 650,000 people and she tried to investigate Dycorp for sex slavery. That to me out weighs her favoritism for minorities and her views on abortion (a state and court issue anyway).

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Phys wrote:
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She will not unit us but divide us. She is part of the problem not the cure.



So what, you don’t like her that doesn’t mean it will divide anyone. I think she was great for standing up against the establishment, you don’t ,big deal.

Not saying you are, but some people still see red verse blue and they don’t like that she is blue.


I'm not the one who is about color here, she is. I judge the attitude and intent.

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She will not unit us but divide us. She is part of the problem not the cure.


No, people like you are the problem. In the fucked up state that we're living in you still need somebody to agree with you 100% to back them.

Ron Paul doesn't believe in a 9/11 conspriacy, guess I can't support him anymore

Norman Finkelstein thinks that Israel has nothing to do with the war in Iraq, can't support him anymore either


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Gun control, socialism, capitalism, abortion, etc all come in very very distant seconds after human suffering. Why is that so hard for some people to understand.

I bet if that Ron Paul wasn't running, that a lot of people here would not support somebody like Kucinich because of his socialist leaning domestic policy.


Your statement is so far off target here. You have no idea who my friends are and why. I live in Georgia and have arms reach exposure to her kind of person. In fact I like people who are different. Their views are stimulating to me. I would hate a world where everyone was the same and oppose people who try and make it that way. How boring a rubber stamp society would be. I believe in freedom but freedom does not include oppressing others to promote yourself. Kucinich would also be favorable if not for Paul. Perhaps even run together.

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i used to support kucinich, consider myself a socialist and wouldn't dream of voting for let alone supporting a "republican". that is before i really researched things and learned a lot.
Ron Paul has changed a lot of peoples minds on things, woken people up (hate using that terminology but whatever) and re-awakened true patriotism with an activist approach.

someone said that if ron paul wasn't running then i bet a lot of you wouldn't support kucinich, well your right i wouldn't. if our liberties are corroded much more their won't be a chance for us to EVER fight back and change our country to one that is truly about freedom and goodness. honestly i don't think i could support ANY candidate. maaaaybe gravel, but thats the only one i would consider. i would focus my energy on bring awareness, (kinda like what i AM doing). i DO NOT believe in supporting the candidate that is the lesser of the two or however many evils.

and i don't agree with ron paul on EVERYTHING, but i agree with him mostly. he is def. by all means an acceptable candidate-the only one who deserves my time, energy and vote.


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