Anti-Neocons

by Breker » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:41 pm

I posted the information below in a thread concerning a news article about alleged mass graves at Treblinka filled with corpses of Jews. Concerning this shoddy attempt to refute revisionist scholarship, it is stated in the news articles, and is stated routinely, that the excuse for not actually excavating and exhuming the corpses of that or any of alleged mass grave sites, where identities, cause of death, when death occurred, etc. could all be established, is because it is forbidden by Jewish law. Naturally, logic would tell me that one must identify the corpses to see if they were indeed even Jews.

I would like to open a discussion on what I call The Big Excuse. Do others have information that it is forbidden to actually excavate and exhume Jewish corpses? The information below tells me that this simply is not true. What appears to be required is essentially having a rabbi at the site. And of course, there must be payments made, no surprise there.

Imagine, this would mean that any grave claimed to hold a Jew could not be exhumed. Think of the implications for solving crimes where exhumations are regularly ordered by courts. Do Jews protest when a court orders an exhumation of a grave where a Jew is claimed to buried? And since the entire matter seems to be an attempt to silence the growing number of Holocaust revisionists, certainly getting a rabbi to stand by would not be a problem. Wouldn't the Chosen Ones want their sacred "Holocaust saints" exhumed and reburied in holy Israel as is mentioned in my quotes below? Wouldn't they welcome the opportunity to strike a blow against the growing suspicion concerning the Holocaust "storyline"?

What first must be determined is whether in fact the alleged mass graves are actually mass graves. Then it must be determined whether the occupants of any such mass grave were murdered. Then, if it is proven that the occupants were murdered, it must be determined who the murderers were. And as I said before, it must be determined that the anyone proven to be murdered were in fact Jews. The Big Excuse for not doing this is in fact a cover for the lack of proof for the "Holocaust" mythology. Any thoughts from those at this forum?
B.

by White Wolf » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:13 am

Seems the jews tend to "move" only when it suits them, as exampled

http://www.valcomnews.com/?p=2244

http://www.iajgsjewishcemeteryproject.o ... ounty.html

http://www.iajgsjewishcemeteryproject.o ... tunis.html

http://oaklandfraternal.org/JewishCemeteries.html

Just Google "jewish cemetery moved" and they pop up like crazy. Also the Google News section has some cases too.

The only thing I came up with that discusses the "law" is in this link.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... -Grave.htm

You have to love the reason they will allow disinterment...

by borjastick » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:55 am

So that's it then. Jewish remains can be removed. The most obvious reason is if they have not been prepared according to religious law. This would surely cover those 'gassed'. So as we now know this could have happened and presumably could still happen. But that would expose the lies, as digging up Treblinka would let the genie out of the bottle. They would be digging away day after day looking for 800,000 bodies and would find exactly how many???

by Kingfisher » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:34 am

Not quite, Borjastick. The cremated remains of 800K bodies and/or the disturbed earth of the pits where 700K had previously been buried.

by borjastick » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:48 am

Kingfisher, must be me but I don't understand the point you are making. Are you saying they would find cremated remains of 700,000+ or not?

by White Wolf » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:31 am

That's the obvious reason (preparation for burial) you would think that they would want to dig up the remains to prepare them properly and to identify them.

Strange that they are so obsessive about the care of their dead, except when it comes to those who they claim were mass murdered in so many ways, when it comes to that topic, it is all hands off...

Very suspicious to me...

by Kingfisher » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:10 pm



From memory, the current story is that they buried 700K then dug them all up and burned them, and went on to kill 170K more and burn them directly, for a total of 870K! That's about 10 Wembley stadiums full.

by Hannover » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:32 pm

Not to concentrate too much on Treblinka, but the laughable claim is that the Germans exhumed the alleged corpses then reburied the remains, meaning of course there would still be tons of Jewish remains.


Recall that when there are bombing attacks in Israel how they run around looking for every minute piece of human remains they can find. But for the 'holocaust, where they claim to know precisely where enormous mass graves are, they make obvious and embarrassing excuses for why they won't retrieve them.

We also know that the man whom was said to be responsible for exhuming Jewish corpses and magically hiding them, SS Blobel, cleverly stated during his, ahem, "confession" that he did not get to many of the allegedly known mass grave sites, so according to the storyline there should be endless, uncremated Jewish corpses to exhume all over eastern Europe.
Blobel stated:



Blobel knew he had no chance, so he clearly sowed a seed that is now being harvested.

The simplest way to put it is that the lie that the Germans supposedly hid all the corpses falls apart because there are no corpses. And by accusing and then using Blobel's statements, (Jewish supremacist leave out the part that I quoted) the 'holocaust' Industry has shot itself in the foot again.

- Hannover

by Kladderadatsch » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:08 pm

Breker, great thread. Thanks for starting this. I hope that it can be kept up to date, and developed as a resource. It's getting a permanent bookmark from me.

We've had some prime sources posted already. I just want to add a handful more.

(1), "Desecration of Graves in Eretz Israel" by Rabbi Yitzchok Breitowitz. The article is choked with all kinds of pharisaic Hebrew mumbo jumbo, and it's not a fun read, but a bunch of important things stand out. First and most importantly, the plain fact that emerges, for all that Breitowitz may not be happy about it, that Jewish graves are regularly disturbed in Israel for all kinds of reasons, including everything from high-minded archaeological research to such low-brow, mundane projects as building a new underground parking garage:



and



and again



and finally



As the references to Peres and Rabin (PMs of Israel in the mid-90s) indicate, the article itself is some fifteen years old. So who knows? Maybe Rabbi Breitowitz and Friends have made some headway since then. But note that, at the time anyway, "The relatively few who actively try to stop this desecration [i.e., the disturbance of Jewish graves]" apparently were regularly "derided as fanatics and extremists" by mainstream Israeli society. Breitowitz whines that "it is essential that it [the government] perceive the issue as being more than a problem that bothers only a small segment of the ultra Orthodox"-- which is another way of saying that most Jews just don't give a damn, no? Are attitudes likely to have changed all that much since then? And finally, if "in a number of cases, bones have simply been scattered or dumped"--in Israel!!! by Jews!!!--and if this really is "an unpardonable desecration of kavod hamet [dignity of the dead] which cannot be allowed to occur under any circumstances," what possible rationale can there be for not recovering the bones that those evil Nazis just "scattered or dumped," and bringing them to Israel for a proper Jewish burial?



True enough, there does seem to be a "prohibition" in Jewish law--or at least in the minds of a certain subset of Orthodox rabbis--against disturbing Jewish graves. But apparently it doesn't get much respect even in Eretz Yisrael itself. Maybe they don't want to move the Jewish dead from Treblinka, etc., for reburial in the Homeland because they're worried some real estate developer in Haifa will want to build a parking lot over them someday? What else could it be? What are they waiting for?

(2) More mind-boggling hypocrisy: The Jerusalem Museum of Tolerance. You couldn't make this stuff up:



So a "Museum of Tolerance" can be built over Muslim graves to celebrate perpetual Jewish victimhood courtesy of the Wiesenthal Center, but Jewish graves can't be disturbed under any circumstances--even to prove the existence of the graves in the first place (e.g., as at Treblinka)? Apparently so: the Israeli Supreme Court has spoken. It seems like Rabbi Breitowitz and his ultra-Orthodox friends haven't made much headway after all--"moderation and tolerance have prevailed," as the triumphant Rabbi Hier puts it on the other side. (I guess that would make the "ultra-Orthodox" and their "firm belief against disturbing graves" immoderate and intolerant, wouldn't it.)

And some people just don't get the message. They were still whining about it in 2010 (A Museum of Tolerance we don't need) in fact, but our Rabbi had the answer:



Now there's a man revisionists could learn from. Chutzpah! We only need to change one word, then take it to the world: "The hoax is over; get used to it."

(3) Oh, wait a minute, apparently you can dig up mass graves after all! Poles to Exhume Mass Grave of Jews Killed in Massacre:



Ah, you see, now that changes everything. We can't falsely blame the Nazis for killing 1,600 Jews when there's the possibility that "the slayings were carried out by the victims' Polish neighbors" instead. And why would that be important? (To expand the reach of the reparations-collective guilt machine to the Poles, perhaps?) Whatever the reason, apparently it is ok to exhume Jewish mass graves after all.

If it's acceptable to dig at Jedwabne in order "to determine how many people died" there, then it has to be acceptable, for the same reason, to dig at Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek and Birkenau.

There's no excuse.

But then of course they're afraid of what will--or rather won't--be found, aren't they

Ingrid Weckert mentioned this letter in "The Gas Vans: A Critical Assessment of the Evidence", but only mentioned:

That is all.

Here is the letter:


The signature looks similar to his original:


German:

English translation:

What do CODOH members make of this? What is the use of steel bottles with carbon monoxide for? That is to say, if the letter is not a fake.

No, but there is Kohlenoxid in German. My own German is fairly rudimentary but I googled and, among other hits, there is an entry in German Wikipedia. Both Babylon and Google Translate recognise it and translate it as "carbon monoxide".

In English, traditional less accurate chemical names have been displaced by more accurate ones. So in German the form Kohlenoxid instead of Kohlenmonoxid may well have been more common 70 years ago than it is today, especially if used by a non-chemist.

Of course, this is a detail and has no impact on the other arguments.

Kingfisher is correct. Kohlenoxyd is a valid term in German. At least it was.

I agree that this has no impact on the other arguments.

My one cent worth re. the letter of “26. März 2“. Aside from what has already been mentioned, the letter is written in impossible German.

The first sentence makes no sense. If referral is meant then it should read “nehme ich Bezug auf...”. Then we have “Die von uns gefertigten...”, nonsense, it would read “hergestellten” and the sentence constructed differently. Then “weitere Wagen in Beschaffung” and although Beschaffung is a German word, it should read “weitere Wagen werden Bereitgestellt” or something like it. It goes on and on, this was not written by a German, period.

All of this will be dismissed by True Believers as “Well, the writer was an idiot”. Right, but here is the giveaway. The letter contains Umlaute alright, like “ä, ö, ü“, but no „ß“, for instance „lässt“ was written „läßt“ at that time, and still is but today's German has changed.

Many of the documents peddled are suspect, but for some reason Revisionists are horrified when the “f” word, i.e., forgery, is mentioned. In a newspaper article I read that Israeli scientists have developed a program able to differentiate between authors, they used it on the OT. I sure hope we can get a hold of it, but doubt that it will be made available to revisionists.

Regards

Kohlenoxid simply means an oxide of Carbon. So it could either be Kohlenmonoxid or Kohlendioxid. It's unusual, but not impossible.
You may have noticed that there isn't really much German literature displayed on google using the word "Kohlenoxid", but English translation pages, and the one ones using it do so for something different from Carbon monoxide/dioxide, but other chemicals.

Concerning Rauff and Gas Vans here is my personal favorite:

"....Die Wagen der Gruppe D habe ich als Wohnwagen tarnen lassen,
indem ich an den kleinen Wagen auf jeder Seite einen, an den
großen auf jeder Seite zwei Fensterläden anbringen ließ, wie man
sie oft an den Bauernhäusern auf dem Lande sieht. Die Wagen waren
so bekannt geworden, daß nicht nur die Behörden, sondern auch die
Zivilbevölkerung den Wagen als "Todeswagen" bezeichneten, sobald
eines dieser Fahrzeuge auftauchte. Nach meiner Meinung kann er
auch getarnt nicht auf die Dauer verheimlicht werden..."

This translates as gas vans having been camouflaged as caravans using farm house windows... Yeah sure, really creative.

It's true that documentation is difficult for revisionists to completely debunk. Probably has something to do with the fact that we keep stomping our feet asking for documentation and when it's finally shown to us, we nitpick it and call it a forgery. We end up looking paranoid. I mean, isn't it entirely possible that the typists occasionally made some grammatical and spelling errors?

Paranoid? Oh please.There are in fact many proven forgeries & alterations. I hope Fountainhead realizes that.

“I feel it my duty as a Jew and after 20 years study of the historical problem of the holocaust, to call your attention to the facts. Facts are very stubborn and as no one can gainsay them, our congeners have been compelled to make disgusting politicians enact stalino-orwellian laws which forbid to mention anything concerning the dogma of the ‘six-million-gas-chambers,’ definitively reduced to perpetual worship of this alchemy.

In case of no respect of silence and worship of the myth, you suffer the penalty of fines or prison or both. Professor Faurisson who has been studying the subject for 20 years, has been practically massacred. This is utterly ridiculous but give the Police and the Justice of all countries to Mr Lévy, he will not be ridiculous any more: here is the XXth century!

These laws are, accordingly, the absolute proof of the fake before we study its arithmetical and technical ineptitude. No Sir, you will not find ONE witness who saw 6 millions Jews slaughtered. You will not find ONE witness of Zyclon- B- gas chambers to exterminate 1000 or 2000 people at a time, close to the crematoria. See my ‘Shoa Sherlockholmised’ herewith: it is the summary of 20 years study on the subject. The ‘6-million-gas-chambers myth ‘is an arithmetic and technical nonsense.

As a matter of fact the howling, snivelling, Shoa business, 50 years after the war, is disgusting, debasing: it is a disgraceful shame. No people in History has ever been wailing about its losses 50 years after a war, even its true and real losses. Even if the 6-million-gas-chambers were true, it would be a dishonour to make such din and pump up so much money everywhere: who were the usurers of the Weimar Republic? You know it as well as I do. It is all the more so as we know that 6.000.000 is gross exaggeration and that the zyclon B gas chambers are a technical impossibility. ( See Degesh Trial in 1949).

In fact 150,000 or 200,000 Jews died in the German camps of typhus or starvation. Many others died but as fighters against Germany to which we, the Jews, had declared war in 1933! ( Hitler was allergic to the hegemony of gold and of the dollar: so he could give work to six million unemployed, before the functioning of German armament factories!). Do you know the book published at this period and written by our congener Kaufmann: ‘ GERMANY MUST PERISH?’

We know that 80,000,000 Goyim were slaughtered in the USSR , in a political regime which was entirely Jewish, from Marx and Warburg, to Kaganovitch, Frenkel, Yagoda, the executioners. We know that after 1945 Americans and Russians killed and raped German communities all over Europe from Lithuania to Albania .

We know that 1,500,000 German war prisoners were starved to death after the war (a famous book was published a few years ago, but is ignored to day). You will find here included in French the text of a rabbi: ‘A rabbi pleads guilty’: unfortunately I possess neither the German original nor an English translation. You should have it translated. The Rabbi condemns the Jewish behaviour in Germany 50 years before Nazism and vindicates the emergence of Hitler.

As for the harm we have done to Humanity is absolutely not redeemed by your excellent films or the virtuosity of Yehudi Menuhin, or the neutron bomb of S.T. Cohen, I wrote a book about it from texts written by important Jews which are much above the most anti-Semitic text written by Goyim. Simone Weil drew a tragic summary: ‘The Jews, this handful of uprooted people, have been the cause of the uprooting of the whole mankind’. And George Steiner: ‘For 5000 years we have been talking too much: words of death for us and for the others.’

We know that all the German towns of more than 100,000 people have been destroyed during the last war, with women and children: silence about this real holocaust. If we consider the turn taken by the Shoa business, what you intend to do in Germany is actually the safest way to a heaping up of a huge amount of anti-jewish sentiment the explosion of which will be unique in History.

Discretion and moderation must be our behaviour: all the rest is suicide. Neither ‘mondialism’ nor orwellian laws for ‘crime of thought’ can prevent antisemitism to explode: only OUR behaviour can. What you do and all the whining and money pumping can only egg it on. It will increase out of reasonable proportions, if there can be a reasonable proportion to antisemitism.

I know that it is practically impossible to check our propensity to speculation and that only the abolition of circumcision at the 8th day could (our particularism derives from the disturbance of the 21 days of the 1st puberty, which starts precisely at the 8th day ) but we must, at least, try to avoid such blunders as the one you intend to perform in Germany and which would be appalling.

I am a great admirer of your films (except the Shindler list: ask his wife and the historical real reality, but this is a minor blunder). I hope your will scrutinise what I send you and escape the folly of the majority of our congeners . I will always answer you if you have the integrity to write to me”.


http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/09/24 ... %e2%80%99/

The 1988 'Holocaust'
Testimony Of Joseph Burg
From Ingrid Rimland
irimland@bellsouth.net
4-26-7


The following is rather long but highly significant. It is the condensed transcript of the testimony of German-Jewish author, Joseph Burg, who testified in the Second Great Holocaust Trial of Ernst Zündel some 20 years ago.

Like so much else, there is a personal story "attached" to this document. Ernst told it to me several times, but I will ask him to recall it for a future ZGram so that I get it right. It has to do with the fact that because of this stunning testimony by a Jew demolishing the "Holocaust", Joseph [Ginz]burg was not allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetery, and nobody of the tribe wanted to do his eulogy.

Ernst was in Germany at the time, visiting a dissident acquaintance, and the two volunteered to do the honors, because they respected Burg's courage and integrity.

The way Ernst always told this story is that he swears he heard a "rumbling in the coffin" because Burg, who was an avowed atheist, was honored in a Catholic church underneath the crucifix, with the reviled Ernst Zundel and a "Nazi" friend - it might have been Manfred Roeder (?) - sending him off with honors to the afterlife!

Another piece of Zundel lore!

Please read this carefully. There are nuances there I bet that most of you haven't ever been privileged to hear.

Ingrid Rimland

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The 'False News' Trial of Ernst Zündel -- 1988

Joseph G. Burg

Joseph G. Burg was the twelfth witness called by the defense. He testified on Tuesday, March 29 and Wednesday, March 30, 1988.

For an eight or nine year period prior to 1981, Zündel had been in communication by letter and in visits with Joseph G. Burg, a Jewish author who had written several books on the Second World War. These books included Guilt and Fate, Scapegoats, Zionist Nazi Censorship in the Federal Republic of Germany, National Socialist Crimes of Bad Conscience by Germans Against Germans under Zionist Direction and Major Attacks of Zionists against Pope Pius XII and the German Governments. Burg had discussed these books with Zündel and believed the latter had received them. (25-6824, 6825, 6835, 26-6896, 6897)

In his books, Burg dealt with the subject of the alleged Nazi extermination camps. Burg had spoken to hundreds of people who had been in Auschwitz and had visited the camp in the fall of 1945. Burg had wanted to see the crematoria, the hospitals, and in particular, a large new bakery. He also wanted to find the gas chambers although at that time gassings were not yet in fashion. He did not find any gas chambers. Burg formed the opinion that there were no "extermination" camps at all, that gas chambers had never existed and that there had been no plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe. These opinions were published in his books and in his correspondence with Zündel. (25-6825 to 6838)

Burg also visited Majdanek three times. He did find gas chambers in Majdanek, but testified that they were disinfection gas chambers for liquidating lice and fleas: bugs which caused epidemics. The chambers were standard in each camp and had the German words "Attention! Poisonous Gas!" under a death skull. Zyklon B was the new formula used to disinfect the clothing. It destroyed the bugs but not the fabric. (25-6839)

After the war, Burg heard a lot about the allegations that people were gassed at Auschwitz and Majdanek. He proved that it was either out of stupidity or propaganda. Up to now, he pointed out, no document had been found showing who gave the order for gassings, who built them and where they were built. The German authorities especially had been called the "super-bureaucracis." It therefore couldn't be that after all these years not a document could be found. (25 6840)

Burg testified that he spoke to hundreds of people who serviced and operated the crematoria but the people who operated gas chambers were impossible to find. Nobody had published anything in which it was claimed that he worked in a gassing institution for human beings. There was literature about gassing that was completely contradictory. Why? Because it was all made up. These opinions were published in his books. (25-6840)

In every camp there were crematoria. It was a practical issue. People died. When the Germans occupied the eastern territories, the huge camps were established and there were larger and more crematoria as the war progressed. Epidemics broke out causing an increased number of deaths. The question of crematoria was one of hygiene: the process was more hygienic than burial and took less space. (26-6897, 6898)

Like all other activities in the camp, the inmates looked after the crematoria. It was the most difficult work because of the heat and the lifting of corpses into the ovens. The inmates worked very often in three shifts around the clock. (26-6998) These workers did it voluntarily. They were asked by the Jewish council or the Jewish police. It was important to ask how the Jewish council or police co-operated with the German SS. (26-6900)

When they were in full operation, the chimneys had an increased amount of smoke. So, logically, depending on the weather or the time of day, the colour of the flames was different. People invented stories that inside devilish things were going on. They said living human beings were being burned. They invented the story that every crematorium was a gas chamber. It had even gotten to the point that the authors had such large imaginations that when they saw the blue colour of the smoke, they knew that Jews were being burned. (26-6898, 6899)

Others invented the story that living Jews were being pushed in to be burned. Burg testified that he would like to see a Jew who had given such statements during a trial. He said such a Jew should be forced to take an oath under the rabbi rites with the skull cap, without pictures of Christ, with the Hebrew Bible, in the presence of a rabbi or a pious religious Jew. Then he should swear an oath that he had seen something like that. Then these false statements, these sick statements, would go down by 99.5 percent because the superficial oath was not morally binding for these Jews. (26-6900)

At the time he was in a displaced persons camp, Burg spoke to thirty or forty people about gas chambers and to about five to ten people about the crematoria. He had a special permit allowing him to visit the different areas where Jewish displaced persons were. He tried to get interviews from various ghettos and camps because at that time he had already checked various false statements. (26-6901)

In 1946 Burg attended the Nuremberg trials at times when matters involving Jews were being raised. During one of these attendances he met Ilya Ehrenburg and a Jewish publisher who had been in Auschwitz for several years. Burg asked the publisher whether he had seen any gassing institutions for human beings and he said no. Ehrenburg, who had been the head of propaganda for the Red Army during the war, told Burg he had been to Auschwitz but he too had not seen anything of gassings. Burg had discussed this information with Zündel in general. (25-6857, 6858) Burg could not understand the emphasis on gassings. (26-6904)

Burg himself was the son of Jewish parents and spent the war years in Transnystria, an area set aside by the Germans for banned people such as Jews. The Jews were banned because they had greeted the Red Army. The people in this area lived in small villages and towns but had to fend for themselves and were therefore worse off than those who were in the concentration camps. In the camps the German authorities looked after the inmates because, on average, they were used for work. There were attacks on the Jews in this area by foreign ethnic groups, but no attacks organized by the Germans. (25-6837, 6838, 26-6874, 6875)

In 1946 and 1947, Burg lived in Freising, a camp for Jewish displaced persons near Munich in the American Zone. The director was a Jewish-American officer. Burg served as a factotum: he organized the police, the prison, the newspaper, cultural affairs. He organized groups and drove them around Bavaria to show them the sights, the museums and castles. His experiences in the camp were included in the book Guilt and Fate. (25-6841)

Burg was read a passage from Did Six Million Really Die?:

The first Nazi proposals for a Madagascar solution were made in association with the Schacht Plan of 1938.

Burg testified that the emigration of Jews from Nazi Germany who did not go to Palestine was hindered by the Zionists. The Zionists prevented the Jews from going to other countries because their interest was in making the Jews go to Palestine. Furthermore, most countries blocked entrance to Jewish emigration. (25-6842)

The German Reich wanted to get the Jews out: how and where were secondary questions. The people under Göring dealing with the Jewish question picked up a plan which came from the founder of the Zionist movement, Theodor Herzl, which involved moving the Jews to Uganda or Madagascar. Both of these colonies belonged to France. The plan did not work out, but the existence of the plan alone proved logically that a liquidation of the Jews did not exist. Their labour was needed as well. Burg emphasized there was no liquidation of the Jews by the Germans. (25-6842, 6843, 6844)

The Transfer (Haavara) Agreement of 1933 was one of the most important incidents in the Holocaust framework. Under this agreement some 2.5 million Jews were to be traded for trucks. The agreement never came to fruition because the Zionists could not take that number of Jews to Palestine. (25-6853, 6854)

Burg had discovered that the German Zionist leaders requested as early as 1933 that the Jews be required to wear the yellow star. The Zionists saw it not as an insult but as a heroic gesture, just like the SS wore the swastika. In 1938 the director of the Zionist movement in the Third Reich brought about the wearing of the yellow star by the Jews against the wishes of both Göring and Goebbels. (25-6850)

Burg wrote in his books about the co-operation which existed between the Zionist leadership, including David Ben-Gurion, with the Nazi regime prior to the war. (26 6877) Several days after Hitler had been named Chancellor, Rabbi Leo Baeck, a leader of the Zionist organizations in Germany, announced publicly that the interests of Jewry were identical with the interests of National Socialism. Burg testified that Baeck meant "Zionism," not "Jewry." The Zionists at that time in Germany constituted one and a half percent of the Jewish population. A few days later another Zionist leader made a similar declaration. The sense of these declarations, testified Burg, was as follows: 'We nationalist Jews, meaning Zionists, are in agreement with this regime. We are not ashamed of our nationalist thoughts.' The Germans who had to deal with the Jewish question co-operated immediately with this minority of Jews in order to prove to the whole world that they were not anti-Jewish but were co-operating with the Jews. (26-6878, 6879)

In the early 1930s, as result of this co-operation between the Nazis and Zionists, some 120,000 Jews emigrated from Germany to Palestine. Difficulties began, however, when Britain, which administered Palestine, refused to issue any more immigration permits because of Arab unrest. (26-6879, 6880)

Zionists in Germany worked at organizing schools for children in the Jewish language, workshops for young people, etc., to help prepare people to emigrate at some point to Palestine. The Zionists were interested only in emigration to Palestine and did everything they could to make sure that outside of Palestine no Jews were admitted. The Nazis were interested in getting the Jews to emigrate wherever they could. Nevertheless, co-operation continued between the Zionists and the Nazis, such people as Adolf Eichmann, Golda Meir and David Ben-Gurion, until 1942 when the Zionist leaders were of the opinion they had reached their goal. Burg stated that even at that point Germany's defeat could be seen and the Zionists became like "rats leaving a sinking ship." (26-6880 to 6884)

Burg discussed the topic of Nazi and Zionist co-operation often with Zündel. Burg believed that the Zionists were the guilty party and that the Germans had been trapped. To brush everything over, the Zionists behaved like the cunning thief who runs ahead of the police screaming "Stop the thief!" It was Zündel's duty to fight against it and Burg stated he would help. Why? "Because otherwise it will never come to a reconciliation of the people. The truth is slowly coming out, and this is how, provoked by the Zionist leaders, a hatred against the Jews is growing." (26 6885)

Zündel had told Burg that thanks to his book Guilt and Fate, published in 1962, Zündel had become what he now was, a fighter for the truth, a fighter against the false accusations made against his people. (26-6885)

Burg testified that there was no liquidation in the concentration camps. The healthier people were used for free labour. Burg pointed out that even a golden cage was a limitation of freedom and even a crime, but the invention of gassings came from sick minds. Burg wanted to prove that even at Birkenau, where gassings allegedly occurred, Jewish men and women could get special treatment. An example was Benedikt Kautsky, a Jew who was a spiritual personality in the Socialist-Marxist world movement. Kautsky was in Birkenau during the war doing office work. His mother, aged 79, was also sent to Birkenau. When she became sick she got a separate room and a special diet ordered by the doctor. This was "special treatment," given so the woman's life could be prolonged if not cured. She died when she was 80 years of age. When he was liberated, Dr. Kautsky returned to Vienna, Austria where he continued his scientific work. (26- 6893, 6894) In 1946, immediately after the liberation, Dr. Kautsky was one of the first to publish a book. It had the German title Teufel und Verdammte (Devil and Damned). Burg testified that the book was the truth and had historical value. However, the whole edition was burned. One and a half years later, he published another edition in which he rewrote portions and made changes. But he didn't completely rewrite it. There was no documentation about gas chambers and Kautsky himself admitted he never saw a gas chamber himself. (26-6902)

In Schuld und Schicksal (Guilt and Fate) Burg dealt with the Warsaw and Lodz ghettos. When the German troops occupied Warsaw, they wanted to concentrate the Jewish population. Real ghettos had been there for centuries but the assimilated or emancipated Jews had lived far way from the ghettos. Now the Germans wanted to have the Jews all together. In a practical sense, the ghetto was also organized for the protection of the Jewish population. (26-6885, 6886)

The Zionists were happy with this arrangement. An appointed Jewish Council was the governing body of the ghetto. They had their own police, jails and everything else. Naturally, there were some who were cruel. One of these was the vice president of the police, who was later executed. In Burg's eyes, this execution was evidence that Jews defended themselves against the minority of Zionists who were using the majority of Jews for their own purposes. (26-6886, 6887)

In the Lodz ghetto there was a Jewish police force, a Jewish bank, Jewish money, a Jewish post office, stamps only for Jews. There were workshops for Jews. If there was a German plan to liquidate the Jews, why were there workshops?, asked Burg. Why those expenses? Why train children for jobs? Thanks to Berlin, Burg testified, the Jews practiced a small Israel. These things could not be said today, however, because it was now said that there was a "Holocaust" and the Jews were murdered. (26-6888, 6889)

The German people, not just the Nazis, had been blamed falsely; and not just Germans living in Germany but Germans living throughout the world. Burg had an interest in this because he believed it provoked hatred against Jews. Zionist leaders even today had a interest in the origination of pogroms against the Jews and Burg was testifying to prevent this. (26-6889)

In 1982 Zündel wrote to Burg twice asking him for help against the Zionists in Toronto who were creating problems for him, and for a recommendation. Zündel had been of the opinion that this could be helpful for him. (26-6891)

Burg had frequently discussed the subject of German restitution with Zündel. In Burg's opinion, if the Holocaust hadn't been invented, the Germans wouldn't be paying restitution and, he pointed out, "they are paying." He dealt with the subject in his book Guilt and Fate which Zündel read in the 1960s. (25-6850, 6851) Israel was created in 1948 and in 1951 still had no diplomatic ties with the Federal Republic of Germany. In that year, Israel gave Dr. Nahum Goldmann, a representative of the World Jewish Congress, authority to negotiate with Dr. Adenauer, the Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, concerning Germany's guilt. Israel, under Ben Gurion, wanted money from the "damned Germans" but didn't want to sit down at a table together with them to negotiate. The negotiations between Goldmann and Adenauer resulted in a recognition by Germany that it had committed a holocaust against the Jews. (26-6904, 6905)

Burg testified that it was important to distinguish payments to the state of Israel. Israel did not exist during the war. It was Palestine then and belonged to the British administration. During the whole of the Second World War, not one single German soldier was in Palestine. What was there to make good again, to repair?, asked Burg. (26-6905)

Israel submitted a document to Germany stating that of four European Jews, three had been killed and for those dead people Israel demanded restitution. The document did not claim that 6 million died. Neither gassings nor murder were obvious from the document. The word used was "killed." The initial sum of 3.5 million marks had grown and not only today's Germans would pay but also the newborns. The sums were justified by inventions that 40 million Jews were gassed, then 25, then about 6 million, the level at which it had stayed. (26-6907)

Burg testified that the reason for the continuation of war crimes trials in both the Federal Republic of Germany and the United States was to prove to everybody that the Germans, even the ones born in America and Toronto, were to be blamed for the murdering and gassing of Jews. (26-6907)

Israel existed on the basis that a Holocaust happened. The German people of the Federal Republic paid money honestly earned by work to Israel, a barrel without a bottom. (26-6916)

Goldmann also negotiated for those who had been liberated from the concentration camps. These were the ones who had suffered, said Burg, who had their homes and apartments taken away from them, who had left everything behind. Special offices for restitution were set up around the world where Germany had representations. (26-6906)

Burg discussed with Zündel who was responsible for the upset in the world between Germans and Jews. He told Zündel that the First World War had brought the Zionists a homestead in Palestine but not a nation. This was much too little and everything had to be done to create a state of Israel. This was only possible by war activity. A world war had to come about. The Zionists therefore co-operated with what was known as Wall Street. Wall Street brought about the Second World War, just as they had brought about the First World War. Burg noted that the Hitler regime had also been supported because it was supposed to fight the Communists. Like the National Socialists, the Communists did not want to subordinate themselves to Wall Street. The plan of Churchill, together with the Zionists and the Americans of Wall Street, was to ensure that the National Socialists and Communists "knocked each other out." Chaim Weizmann had stated that he was willing to sacrifice German Jewry in the interest of a state of Israel. (26- 6912, 6913, 6915)

Burg agreed that Zündel had shown a sincere curiosity about the Jewish question. Zündel was a German and he was defending his country, said Burg. Zündel had told him that he saw it as his life's work to defend his people because they were being defamed. Burg himself believed the German people were being defamed. He had expressed this view in his books "again and again" and suffered personally as a result. Burg was happy that Zündel had learned a little from him, by not talking automatically of "Jews" but instead emphasizing "Zionists." (25-6848 to 6851)

If the Holocaust story went on the way it was going, said Burg, there would never be a sincere relationship between the Jews and the Germans. The Zionist leaders would see to that. Burg had told Zündel that films such as Holocaust and Shoah were fortifications of a falsification of history, made for the purpose of showing Germans why they had to pay and that the paying would go on for another few generations. (25-6851, 6852)

Burg testified that if Zündel had gone along with the current, he wouldn't have the problems he did. It would have been a much easier life for him. It was Burg's opinion that if there were another two or three Zündel's, it would be better for Jews as well. (26-6892, 6893)

The Crown chose not to cross-examine Burg.