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 Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:07 am 
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And also Drew, I'm not sure why you keep using a talk show from the 90's as some kind of authoritative thing on anything. The lampshade bit didn't come from the Donahue show. THat lady probably was lying, who cares? What does that have to do with anything?

First, you attack the tv show for it being on tv. As if that means anything. Then on top of that, you construct a strawman. I never said the claim of lampshades were first made on Donahue. I said that a woman who claimed to have seen the lampshades was an obvious liar. Just like all the other people who talked about lamp shades. You really need to pay attention to the narrator's comments on that video when he stops the video and inserts his points. Oh, right, you haven't done that and you won't because it's just a tv show. Fine. Be immature.

As for refusing to read my stuff that takes five hours, I'm not surprised. It's a long read to find out that Bischoff letter is not what you say it is, or to find out that nizkor twisted the facts when they tried to refute Berg on the diesel van story. I bet it also bothers you that people figured out that Himmler speech was a concocted fraud and that Zundel was correct all those years ago on American tv, to deny its authenticity.

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I was mistaken about the lampshade bit. It DID happen.

See that? he confessed to jews being gassed at a camp that doesn't exist. Hoess' testimony is worthless I'm afraid.


What recent 'world changing' event does that remind you of?


Waterboarding?

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How would anyone ever know if a boot was made of a jew if they never wore one and ran through the rain with it. Or how it was soap made of jews if they never licked it or put it in a sock and pummel some poor bastard with it. How?

HOW?

I would know IN ONE SINGLE INSTANT that it was soap made of gays because it would be pink (duh!). Same if it were made of blacks for obvious reasons because I wouldn't get any cleaner. The more I scrubbed the more I would get blacker which as we all know is the opposite of clean.
Lampshade of wrinkled skin made of the old and the backward. That's easy to spot but COME ON ..jews?
Soap lampshades and boots made of russians are also easy to spot, you can smell those gddmn rosy cheeked commies everywhere!

But jews? How?

Would they've been made with love and tenderness or would they just torture the wearer with their crude rudimentary stitches making them unwearable. Would the soap smell of gefillte fish?

And the smoke from the ovens. It was black smoke right? Sounds like blacks to me! Blacks give of black smoke everybody knows that! Like burning loafs of bread, same thing.

If soap were made out of you, thunk, it wouldn't cost me a single drop of sweat to notice while I was waterboarded or talking to my would be torturer, the head honcho of all bullies, that while he hands me a relaxing cup of tea...why...isn't that..thunk!?!? It's easy to spot a self opinionated lampshade.

You know. I tried to kill, nay, murder 6000 ants once. First I lured them into a nice antfarm. Which I build for them. Just to keep them alive took me like 1 to 3 jars of honey, more then I ever ate in my life! Then I wanted to, like, kill them. First one by one. But at the first attempt I burned my fingers. The I tried in batches of 12. Took me quite an amount of matches and I couldn't stand the stench. Gassing. Gas them all in the oven...but my mum wouldn't let me and then I figured..why didn't I kill them when I just ran across one. Just stomp them. No honey. No stench. Just kill them. Now I had to bring them back to the woods.You see, I don't hate ants. They just ruin my picnic.

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I'm not saying the things you are saying are false, but is there a source?

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 Post Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:33 am 
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I read it but I took the " marks as meaning sarcasm.
(I over looked it because that's how little I care. It's just not important to me, who all and how many peopled died in WWII, we have got two ongoing present wars right now. Lots of people died, many in far greater number than the jews, and no matter what the Brits had no right to give away Palestine, and for Israel to shield itself form what it does by pointing to WWII would be like me killing a white guy and pointing to the genocide of Natives as an excuse. All I find interesting is WHY the Jewish deaths got so much importance over everyone else who died. And my belief is what I said earlier, the focus is needed there to avoid all the other things the allies did because they killed just as many innocent people (more really) as the Nazis. Thus if there is some lying going on, there is motive. and it's not by "the jews" it's by Western imperialist propaganda, the west never really ended colonization or got away from it)

So it looked like they were saying oh you think we made a mistake but we didn't.
They were shooting down the notion that 4 million was a widely held view. And it wasn't a widely held view as they say, if by widely held view you mean the people doing the stats and history. But that's not the claim really. It's not what HD have beef with. It was/is a widely held view by the general public that 4 million died in one camp. Every school kid in America will quote you the 6 million dead figure for the Jews and not know any other death stats not even for Americans. And to get that figure you need a few million more dead in the camps not liberated by the allies. Or so the HD say.


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means the whole English speaking world because it's all taught the same bullshit. No one showed me the deaths in other places in a WWII class. I had to learn about India by specifically studying its history and getting its story. Same for Russia, Japan, Ukraine, etc. And yet I'd been to the Holocaust Museum as a 5th grade field trip and seen probably 12 films on it in school before 8th grade. Not a one about Bengal.

And when it came time to talk about dropping the H-bomb it was framed like some even debate and then spun into the we were saving lives by killing people crap. Never got any film on THAT museum though. I did finally get to physically go on my own however at like age 27.

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Chomsky derided the British for what they did during WW2, as have others
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Well I like him for that, but He is hardly someone taught in high schools or someone mainstream. He's counter to the main stream of education in America. A lot of people have written the truth. But they don't control text books and films. Aside from the self educated and those few with good teachers, the bulk of society in the Western World are taught Hitler is Evil itself and the Allies were the good guys.

The claim isn't that no one as in absolutely no one has ever said x. It just means that it's not what's being taught. And it's not some minor thing to avoid either. It has to be intentional to avoid events of that magnitude.
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2) They claim 12 million people died. Not all Jews.


(The) Holocaust in total didn't kill 6 million people much less 12 million people. And they worded it suffered and died not suffered or died so they can't just say suffered. And it refers to Jews. Everyone else who was burned is added as a side note like oh yeah and such and such too. Some even ignorantly say Gypsies..

If they mean the war then they need to spike that number up to 75 million.

Ernst Zundel is a Nazi so what. Fuck him. How did he get to become the face of it? The Zionist front group the National Alliance? I'd never even heard of that ass hole until the prothink tards came in here bitching about him one time. David Cole is more of a front liner in HD and no he's not a Nazi. And is Ernst Zundel really a Nazi or is that a Wiki fact? I'm just going to assume he is because his name was chosen to go on that page. But I haven't bother to see if it's true because that is how little I care.

Framing HD folks as Nazis is just as bad as framing Anti-Lincoln folks as racist to black people. There probably are some anti-"yankee" folks who actually do hate black people. But that still doesn't change what Lincoln did.

Or people saying you hate Jews if you criticize Israel. What's true is true regardless of who says it. Israel is fascist and if David Duke agrees with me about that, then for once he's right about something but I want nothing to do with him.

Even if the majority of people saying something were racist or whatever it still doesn't make it automatically wrong. A lot of racist people are against affirmative action too. that doesn't mean affirmative action is a fair thing at least not based on only those reasons.

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 Post subject: Re: The HOLOCAUST for Dummies
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:43 pm 
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Ry wrote:
I read it but I took the " marks as meaning sarcasm.
(I over looked it because that's how little I care. It's just not important to me, who all and how many peopled died in WWII, we have got two ongoing present wars right now. Lots of people died, many in far greater number than the jews, and no matter what the Brits had no right to give away Palestine, and for Israel to shield itself form what it does by pointing to WWII would be like me killing a white guy and pointing to the genocide of Natives as an excuse. All I find interesting is WHY the Jewish deaths got so much importance over everyone else who died. And my belief is what I said earlier, the focus is needed there to avoid all the other things the allies did because they killed just as many innocent people (more really) as the Nazis. Thus if there is some lying going on, there is motive. and it's not by "the jews" it's by Western imperialist propaganda, the west never really ended colonization or got away from it)


Exactly that last part is getting more and more clear every day. People start to discover how that mechanism works.
And blaming/shielding the jews polarizes the world as simply as one single worldreligion would. It works perfectly.

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So it looked like they were saying oh you think we made a mistake but we didn't.
They were shooting down the notion that 4 million was a widely held view. And it wasn't a widely held view as they say, if by widely held view you mean the people doing the stats and history. But that's not the claim really. It's not what HD have beef with. It was/is a widely held view by the general public that 4 million died in one camp. Every school kid in America will quote you the 6 million dead figure for the Jews and not know any other death stats not even for Americans. And to get that figure you need a few million more dead in the camps not liberated by the allies. Or so the HD say.


I could ask "so how may really died then" but..I'm not really interested in the answer nor in the question.

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We means the whole English speaking world because it's all taught the same bullshit. No one showed me the deaths in other places in a WWII class. I had to learn about India by specifically studying its history and getting its story. Same for Russia, Japan, Ukraine, etc. And yet I'd been to the Holocaust Museum as a 5th grade field trip and seen probably 12 films on it in school before 8th grade. Not a one about Bengal.

And when it came time to talk about dropping the H-bomb it was framed like some even debate and then spun into the we were saving lives by killing people crap. Never got any film on THAT museum though. I did finally get to physically go on my own however at like age 27.


Never been to any holocaust museum ever yet I know as much as anyone about the jewish suffering.


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Chomsky derided the British for what they did during WW2, as have others.


Well I like him for that, but He is hardly someone taught in high schools or someone mainstream. He's counter to the main stream of education in America. A lot of people have written the truth. But they don't control text books and films. Aside from the self educated and those few with good teachers, the bulk of society in the Western World are taught Hitler is Evil itself and the Allies were the good guys.


You will never, ever see it depicted otherwise. Ever. WW2 was "the good war"..that's what I've read many many times. It's the only war being referred to like that.

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The claim isn't that no one as in absolutely no one has ever said x. It just means that it's not what's being taught. And it's not some minor thing to avoid either. It has to be intentional to avoid events of that magnitude.
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2) They claim 12 million people died. Not all Jews.


(The) Holocaust in total didn't kill 6 million people much less 12 million people. And they worded it suffered and died not suffered or died so they can't just say suffered. And it refers to Jews. Everyone else who was burned is added as a side note like oh yeah and such and such too. Some even ignorantly say Gypsies..


You lost me here. I truly do not get what you mean.

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If they mean the war then they need to spike that number up to 75 million.

Ernst Zundel is a Nazi so what. Fuck him. How did he get to become the face of it? The Zionist front group the National Alliance? I'd never even heard of that ass hole until the prothink tards came in here bitching about him one time. David Cole is more of a front liner in HD and no he's not a Nazi. And is Ernst Zundel really a Nazi or is that a Wiki fact? I'm just going to assume he is because his name was chosen to go on that page. But I haven't bother to see if it's true because that is how little I care.

Framing HD folks as Nazis is just as bad as framing Anti-Lincoln folks as racist to black people. There probably are some anti-"yankee" folks who actually do hate black people. But that still doesn't change what Lincoln did.


The nice thing about history and death people; they will never complain about how you treat them.

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Or people saying you hate Jews if you criticize Israel. What's true is true regardless of who says it. Israel is fascist and if David Duke agrees with me about that, then for once he's right about something but I want nothing to do with him.

Even if the majority of people saying something were racist or whatever it still doesn't make it automatically wrong. A lot of racist people are against affirmative action too. that doesn't mean affirmative action is a fair thing at least not based on only those reasons.


Its like picking peanuts out of a pile of steaming shit.

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Never been to any holocaust museum ever yet I know as much as anyone about the jewish suffering.


Are you Jewish?


I'm beginning to think I am.

Thanks to hollywood. Oy vey.

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Well, for the sake of clarity. I meant that every movie I have seen had always had a little bit of jewish culture in it (if not full blown jewish). If hollywood is controled by arabs I don't blame them. They get early access to winona rider, nicole kidman, and sharon stone. I'd put down billions right there just to..

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