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general hoke
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Post subject: first meeting between the English and Native Americans Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:39 pm |
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The first written record describing Hatteras Island of any length is that of Arthur Barlowe in 1584. In 1584 the English were at war with Spain. Spain had colonies all over the Caribbean and had made a fortune in gold, sugar and other resources. It was theorized by the English military that raids could be made into the Caribbean to steal Spanish ships and deal her a mighty blow in the war. A very successful raid had already been carried out by Captain John Hawkins that stole a ship full of slaves. The Spanish had killed nearly 8.5 million Natives in the Caribbean in the first fifty years of Columbus landing in San Salvador. They hung the Natives 13 at a time in honor of the apostles and Jesus. They tied children by the ankles and fed them to hunting dogs and burned some alive. Sugar was worth more than gold at the time and the Caribbean quickly was converted into one giant plantation of Sugar. Of course Africans began to be enslaved by the Spanish and Portuguese to harvest all of this sugar. The lands of the Natives were ravaged at a phenomenal rate. Spain was a military super power especially by sea and King Philip had his eye on the whole of England.
The English wanted a naval base in the New World for privateers to launch raids against the Spanish. Although the word privateer did not yet exist it is exactly what the English were. The Queen got 10% of Spanish prizes and only the Spanish were to be attacked. This was an opportunity for men to become extremely rich in very little time and helped the over all war for the English.
Thus, in 1584 a recon mission is sent to the New World to find a great privateer base. In addition to this privateer base any profitable resources were to be noted as well as profitable trade with the native population. Captains Philip Amadas and Arthur Barlowe set out in two ships to accomplish these objectives.
They crossed an inlet that would be just north of the modern village of Buxton and landed on the Island of Croatoan on July 4th of 1584. This was the first time the English had ever set foot in the New World, 23 years before Jamestown and 37 years before Plymouth Rock. The following are excerpts from Barlowe complete with the spelling and grammar of the times:
“This lande lay stretching it selfe to the West, which wee found to bee but an island of twentie miles long. (From modern day Buxton to Hatteras Inlet today is 20 miles). Under the banke or hill whereon we stoode, we behelde the valleys replenished with goodly cedar trees, and having discharged our harquebus-shot, such a flocke of Cranes (for the most part white) arose under us, with such a cry redoubled by many echoes, as if an armie of men had showted all together. This island had many goodly woodes full of deere, conies, hares, and fowle, even in the middest of summer in incredible abundance.”
The first ever meeting between the English and Native Americans was that of one curious man who took his canoe to a point of land opposite where the English were anchored in the sound. The English took him onto the ships, fed him and gave him some gifts. Immediately upon returning to the shore this man fished for the English and left them two piles of fish, one for each ship.
“And after he had spoken of many things not understood by us, we brought him with his owne good liking, aboard the ships, and gave him a shirt, a hat & some other things, and made him taste of our wine, and our meat, which he liked very wel: and after having viewed both barks, he departed, and went to his owne boat againe, which hee had left in a little cove or creeke adjoining: as hee was two bow shots into the water, he fell to fishing and in less then halfe an houre, he had laden his boate as deepe, as it could swim, with which hee came againe to the point of lande, and there he divided his fish into two parts, pointing one part to the ship, and the other to the pinnesse..”
The following morning the English awoke to see about 100 people standing and sitting on the beach. Among them was Granganimeo the chief of the island, whose brother was the paramount chief of the entire kingdom, which stretched well inland. A trade relationship began:
“When we shewed him (Granganimeo) all our packet of merchandize, of all things that he sawe, a bright tinne dish most pleased him, which hee presently tooke up and clapt it before his breast , and after made a hole in the brimme thereof and hung it about his necke, making signes that it would defende him against his enemies arrows.”
“We exchanged our tinne dish for twentie skinnes…They offered us good exchange for our hatchets and axes, and for our knives…he (Granganimeo) himselfe had upon his head a broad plate of golde, or copper for being unpolished we knew not what metal it should be…”
Barlowe and his crew also observed how the Natives made canoes and where shown evidence of another European nation (probably Spanish) that had shipwrecked on the island some 26 years prior.
“They have no edge-tooles to make them (canoes) withal: if they have any they are very fewe, and those it seemes they had twentie yeres since, which, as those two men declared, was out of a wracke which happened upon their coast of some Christian ship…out of whose sides they drew the nayles and spikes, and with these they made their best instruments. The manner of making their boates is thus: they burne downe some great tree…and putting gumme and rosen upon one side thereof, they set fire into it…they cut out the coale with their shells…very fine boates and such as will transport twentie men.”
From Barlowe’s report, we know they entered an inlet and took a left to an island that was 20 miles long and ran from East to West. Later, Barlowe and 7 others left this island and “wee came to an island called Raonoak,…” Only 8 men of the entire company ever went to Roanoke Island in 1584. The rest of the men stayed on Hatteras Island where they had landed. The famous Manteo and Wanchese along with one other native (who died in England) were brought back to England to be used as interpreters on the return voyage in 1585 and to entice investors to finance the return trip. The deerskins of Hatteras Island caught the eye of wealthy leather merchants who helped finance the return trip in 1585. The military operations against Spain were still the number one objective though and the Outer Banks looked like the perfect spot for a base. Queen Elizabeth was willing to send a decent war ship to accompany any fleet the investors could come up with provided she still got 10% of Spanish plunder.
_________________ It's an island...you can't close the beach without massive economic damage. The greatest threat to our freedoms is our own government.
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general hoke
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:31 pm |
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Joined: Jul 21st, 2005 Posts: 1947 Location: Kill Devil Hills, NC
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why is none of this taught in school?
_________________ It's an island...you can't close the beach without massive economic damage. The greatest threat to our freedoms is our own government.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:17 am |
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Well the modern day Nazis got all their BS ideas and some of the ideology itself straight from the Zionists so thats no surprise.
Quote: "In 1920 there were statements hostile to Jews expressed at Heidelberg University. These statements, arguing that Jews of Germany had caused the turmoil that followed the war; that the Jews of Germany had nothing in common with Germans, and that Germans had the right to prevent the Jews of Germany from intruding into the affairs of their volk were not made by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, but by Nahum Goldmann, who went in to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and head of the World Jewish Congress, and, indisputably, the most influential political Zionist in the world, second only to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel.
In 1921, Germans in Germany were told that:
“We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“. Who spoke these vile words? It was Jacob Klatzkin, the second of two political Zionist ideologists in Germany at the time, where the Jews of Germany were enjoying full political and civil rights. It was he who had advocated undermining Jewish communities as the one certain way of acquiring a state. “They had no qualms concerning tearing down the existing Jewish communities.”
Who spoke in a public address at a political Zionist meeting in Berlin and declared that “Germany… has too many Jews”? Was it Hitler or Goebbels? No, it was Chaim Weizman, later to become the first President of the State of Israel. This address was published in 1920, and, thus, four years before Hitler had even written Mein Kampf.
How many Zionist Jews know of this vicious treachery uttered by these senior political Zionist leaders, these apostates from the Jewish People? At the Nuremberg Trials of Major War Criminals, Nazi propagandist, Julius Streicher testified: “I did no more than echo what the leading Zionists had been saying”, it is clear that he had told the truth.
In addition to Hitler, Rosenberg, Goebbels and Streicher, many other Nazi leaders used statements from Zionists to validate their charges against the Jews of Germany. Such are the efforts of Zionist leaders to this very day to maintain a high degree of anti-semitism in order to enable them, in feigned horror, to then point to anti-semitism to support their idolatrous and anti-Jewish cause. In 1963, Moshe Sharett, then Chairman of the Jewish Agency, told the 38th Annual Congress of the Scandinavian Youth Federation that the freedom enjoyed by the majority of Jews imperiled Zionism, and at the 26th World Zionist Congress, the delegates were told that the Jew is endangered by the easing of anti-Semitism in the United States “We are endangered by freedom” he declared.
Ben Gurion's Scandals Available in our bookstoreAs we stated earlier, Zionism thrives on anti-Semitism. Ben Gurion declared, “…not always and not everywhere do I opposed anti-Semitism”. Zionists regularly pull out their handy “anti-Semite” race card against anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who dares to speak out against the wickedness of Zionism.
During World War II, the Lehi organization, an offshoot of Begin’s Irgun that was headed by Yitzchak Shamir sought an alliance with Nazis! The following is a quote from the writings of the Lehi in their contact with the Nazis:
"The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East ... The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany's side ... The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be in line with one of the recent speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler stressed that any combination and any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it." To those who assume that Zionists have been on the side of freedom and equality, these words seem strange. However, to those who understand the root of Zionism, which is the transformation and eradication of the concept of the traditional Jew and Judaism, these statements are not strange at all. They are to be expected.
The Zionists agreed with Nazism in general, even prior to the advent of Nazism. They believed that Jews could not, and should not, live in harmony in any other society in the world, and that should be removed from those societies for the benefit of those societies. They believed that the new Jewish existence in its own State would remake the image of Jews as “useless” and “parasites.” These ideas existed long before Adolf Hitler! "
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm
So there it is right from actual Jews. Zionists are nothing but apostate criminals aka Sabbateans maybe they came from the Husar Turkish region or whatever............In either case most Zionists are APOSTATE Jews/Christains they don't have any kind of special privilege and aren't allowed to destroy Israel either.
They're basically the real parasites and the real criminals living among us everywhere and they're just gentiles anyway few of them are even semites just crooks.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:13 pm |
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general hoke wrote: why is none of this taught in school?
Word...Great info hoke.
_________________ "Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of ... [Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government." –Thomas Jefferson
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general hoke
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:13 pm |
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Joined: Jul 21st, 2005 Posts: 1947 Location: Kill Devil Hills, NC
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I went to a pow wow recently on the island and was really disappointed. It was mostly white people from out of state dressed up as plains Indians from the 1800's. Not one word was mentioned about the Hatteras Indians and we were in Hatteras. i did sell 20 books, which is all I brought but other than that nothing on the Hatteras Indians/ Croatoan was represented.
Too often the traditions of the western tribes are assumed to be the same for all Indians. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one who gives a shit. I hope this book can open a few eyes about the true beginnings of this country and by that I mean the start of European colonialism/empire building.
It is not that white people where the bad guys. The common white guy in England or Spain was about as responsible for what happened to the Indians as we are Iraq. Still it should be taught. We should not ignore things just because they are unpleasent. I see palistine as pure indian policy. So the history is relavent to today.
_________________ It's an island...you can't close the beach without massive economic damage. The greatest threat to our freedoms is our own government.
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