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Iconoclast
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Post subject: Who was responsible for the Iraq war? Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:55 pm |
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I found this post reposted on another board, and found it insightful.
Quote: Personally, I think the evidence shows that the Iraq War is being spearheaded by a coalition {"conspiracy" if you want] of four rather different groups.
1. Jewish neoconservatives like Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle are certainly a big part of the coalition. [Note: not "all Jews," but these particular Jewish neoconservatives, are cheerleading for Bush's war. On the other hand, some radical and liberal Jews - historian Howard Zinn, journalist Amy Goodman, political organizer Leslie Cagan, Sen. Russell Feingold, etc. -- are definitely opposed to the war.] But for the neo-conservatives who are closest to Bush, bringing about a long-term reorganization of the Middle East certainly seems to be a major goal of the exercise.
2. In addition to the neoconservatives, we also have "neo-patriotists," American Protestants who want to see the US kicking butt in the world on a large scale, and who see in this war a chance to break the influence of liberal and moderate Americans who believe more in the United Nations and the rule of international law. These "neo-patriotists" basically want America to be the leading world empire, and they don't much care how Bush does it.
I'd say the "neo-patriotists" include Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice, among others - and their primary goal is not to defend Israel, but to make American into the biggest bully on the block. And maybe to make a little money for Halliburton in the process - hard to see in Cheney's case where imperialism ends and simple greed begins.
3. Then there is the obvious self-interest of the big oil companies in seeing the Middle East's oil supplies firmly in US hands - so long as the US government, of course, can remain in the hands of the oil companies. Along with the oil companies, some Wall Street analysts believe, there also are high-ranking business economists who see the US maintaining a global lead over the Europeans and Japanese through the occupation of Iraq, since by controlling Iraq the US can control the energy these rival capitalist powers need to survive, and also control the prices.
4. Then we have our "Christian Zionists," our born-agains who want to see Islam defeated world-wide and also want to see Israel invading even more of historic Palestine, on the grounds that this will fulfill Biblical prophecy and bring on the Battle of Armageddon and the end of the world.
Call these the "Left Behind" Christians who want to make sure that everyone else gets a good, whopping experience of the "Time of Tribulations."
So I think it's clear than SOME Zionist Jews are playing major roles in Bush's war cabinets, but they're not carrying on the war alone.
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_________________ "When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him." ~ Jonathan Swift
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:59 pm |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31504 Location: Japan
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I would agree but use a different word choice. I would say Zionist instead of Jewish. Many Neocons are christians and other non-jewish religious groups and many jews are not neocons like Noam Chomsky and John Stewart for example.
Perle, Feith, Libby, Abrams, Kristol, Frum and Wolfowitz (all jews) got their positions via bribery. The first two have retired since AIPAC went under investigation by the FBI. And Libby is involved with Karl Rove. Everyone else besides Wolfowitz has been incrediably quiet.
I think Bolton Roberts Cheney Gonzalos and Rice are just as nasty.
Last edited by Ry on Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:53 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Dilapidated Nation
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:04 pm |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 187 Location: North Carolina, The 'borro
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If im not mistaken Chomsky does consider himself a Zionist (as well as a conservitive), but not in the way that people think of Zionism today
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Iconoclast
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:10 pm |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 1171
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Ry wrote: I would agree but use a different word choice. I would say Zionist instead of Jewish. Many Neocons are christians and other non-jewish religious groups and many jews are not neocons like Noam Chomsky and John Stewart for example. I generally use Zionist to refer to neoconservative Jews and apocalyptic Christians. Quote: If im not mistaken Chomsky does consider himself a Zionist (as well as a conservitive), but not in the way that people think of Zionism today
By itself, Zionist means that one is for a Jewish homeland. The word has been perverted into having "unwavering support of Israel" tacked onto it.
_________________ "When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him." ~ Jonathan Swift
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:43 pm |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31504 Location: Japan
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Why did the US really go to War? by Ryan www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons
Adding up the reasons.
---Why was there really a war? The 911 links to Iraq were a myth. The WMD were a myth. The charges about uranium were out right lies. Spreading democracy is a joke, as it is we don't even have fair elections here and there is no way it will happen in Iraq. It appears after the anarchy dies down that Iraq is headed to a Shi'ite Theocracy. So why the heck did we go there? Why do we send our youth to die?
*OIL?
Operation Iraqi Liberation, spelled OIL, is one popular reason, but this is not the main reason. Corporate profiteering is at an all time high, and there is no corporation as large as the military industrial complex. Even the bloated pentagon budget and pork projects for lobbyist PACs and cabinet members are not the main reason for the war. All these things were extra incentives for the crooks that run our government but not the main reason for the war. A sad defense that the prowar party says is that, the oil revenue pales in comparison to the cost of the war. But then again they warmongers don't pay for the cost of the war, we do with our taxes, and they still profit from the oil. So they don't care what it cost the country as a whole, they only care about personal benefits. So oil is a reason for the war but still this is not the main reason for the war.
*Iron Triangle profiteering?
The stock market allows for a whole new loophole, a whole new concrete method for the ties between big business and government. All a politician has to do is pass legislation favorable to the companies s/he has stock in or works for to gain huge profits. This has made our government up for rent. Any war would work for this end, even a cold war. So why Iraq?
*Israel and the MIC connection?
The United States' unconditional support of Israel is one of the main reasons for the attacks on 9/11. If you want to win a war on drugs then you have got to go after the causes of drug use, not just the users. If you don't want your nation attacked then start by stopping your attacks on other nations. Well, this does fit, but there is also a lot of evidence to say they culprits were patsies and 911 has inside assistence.
If you really want to stop terrorism then why don't we stop financing the Zionist bigots in Israel who are using US weapons, ironically named after American Indians, to do to a people exactly what the US did to the Indians, which was the greatest crime in all of history (tomohawks, Blackhawk, apache helicopters). Here in the US we don't study history we rationalize it, or sometimes we just lie about it.
Israel receives around ten million dollars a day from the United States. Most people do not know this and if they did, considering the current state of the economy and the unethical uses of the money, I am sure they would not want it sent there.
So what are the real reasons for this war, and the sending of this money? Answering this question is easy, all one has to do is look at who will profit the most. Currently the bulk (75%) of the money sent to Israel must be spent on US weapons. The US arms industry is using the on going conflict to make more money.
The weapons industry is a business and like any other giant US corporation they are corrupt and care nothing about human rights or public welfare, they only care about profits. This is not simply a problem with accounting or confused CEOs. This is a problem with purposefully immoral people who have realized that the American judicial system often places money over ethics. We are all suffering from the greed of upper class America. No industry is as dangerous as the weapons industry, because they are in the business of killing. A protracted war benefits arms and energy companies.
The anti-occupation forces in Iraq will never stop and why should they? This war is not winnable short of genocide. There is no legitimate reason for the US to be occupying another country. People should be in jail for the lies or incorrect information, which has lead to the death of 120,000 Iraqi civilians and billions of dollars and over 1,830 American lives.
Our fat cats get fatter and the religious flocks and blind patriots continue to support them because the only information they can get on the war is from our Zionist-owned media. It is run by Large corporations who do not give a damn about humanity or freedom run our country.
*PNAC??
PNAC is like a modern Mein Kamf. It spells out the real reasons for the war. The central reason is economic interest of the neocons and their own ego. They will use the military and religous institutions and anything else they can in oder to score personl profits.
There have always been people for and against war throughout history. A deeper question might be how do we ever convince thousands of absolute strangers to go kill each other? It is one thing to be attacked like Crazy Horse was attacked by Custer and he defeated him. What about the people who are attacking, why did they risk their lives and for what?
*greed and a culture of might makes me feel secure
It's a combination of greed and manipulation. Then there is that ever present need for vicarious masculinity, which the chicken hawk feed on daily. The State becomes an extension of their ego. The war party takes glee in saying they will kick our enemies' asses. "Ah we should just nuke them, or make a nice lake". I have actually heard these phrases spoken by grown adults. Not stupid people either. I mean business men who just get frustrated and want that oh so quick and satisfying answer of blowing the hell out of people, you know, showing them who is boss. I blame that on authoritarianism but also, we need to separate intelligence from compassion. A person can be smart but have the moral compass of a nazi. The insecurities manifested in numerous ways have gotten many people; both smart and dumb, to have a greater need for an ego boost than for a caring relationship for humanity and the planet. Caring is considered 'weak.'
Western science and religions have both made a clean break with and a war on relationships with nature. The endless pursuit of shiny things, i.e. status through ownership, has lead to a nation of islands. No one see that personal comforts and private interests cannot be a blindfold to our relationship to world events and changes in our environment. But the head in the sand apathy is allowing a minority of evil people, evolutionarily parasites, to gather the sheep for battle, as they get off on their wargasm.
People don't think of what is just and then act. They act and then think of how to justify it. Greed and envy will rationalize everything. Another part of the puzzle is that war has become distant. Technology allows the horror of war to be separated by machines from the individual. It's easier to drop a bomb than to run in and get blood on your hands. It's becoming game like.
On the bright side, man has evolved in some areas. Northern Europe, for example and many of the island nations are not going to war on their own without US manipulation. As long as we have a culture that bases its human worth on occupational income and property, we are going to hell. Yes, property has become a method of gaining status with others and with one's self. What we need is a value system that places prestige in compassion, intelligence, creativity, and actual aspects of character rather than on material gain and ability to take from others.
You are not what you own.
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