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Ry
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Post subject: church and state Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:14 am |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31501 Location: Japan
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We all know that religions can be used as tools to sway the masses into doing ridiculous things for the government. Like it or not Major Churches invest in defense companies. But they hide from critics by cloaking themselves as "religion" in general. For example Israel deflects critics of its political fascism to be critics of Jews in general as people. Holy rollers deflect their critics to be attacks on Christianity or morals in general. We have to break down this protective mask of "religion" which hides the businesses and the politics of the insane. I think nothing has hurt religions more than the manipulation of their followers and their collective wealth for political purposes. Separation of Church and State is good for both the state and the church.
Personally I do not have a religion. But that is beside the point. I would not care what other people believed in at all were it not protecting and financially supporting political policies, normally the kind where lots of people die. The "religious" Right in the United States is an enemy to the world and to humanity. They are insane profiteers who have made their faith incorporate their core beliefs of greed, power, racism, and authoritarianism.
They are the Neocons' base of support. If you want to strike the root then go after these nuts. And do not see it as an attack on Christianity. That is exactly what is protecting them. Normal Christians are afraid of exposing the nasty wing of Christianity which is very real and always has been. Stop blaming it on German death cults, the devil, or the "illuminati." It's your own leadership. Stand up to these kooks and divide them.
Evil people get away with it not because there are so many evil people but because all the good people who sit by and do nothing. Likewise Muslims ect don’t attack Christianity, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore than attacking Islam. Go after the actual individuals who do the nasty things. Their supporters are beyond reason or change. Hit the leaders as people not as (-----)s of whatever faith.
I try and do both because I see religion on two different levels of evil/stupidity. But for now it is all politics. I care far more if people are wicked than if they are just dumb.
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Post subject: Re: church and state Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:42 am |
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Joined: Aug 5th, 2006 Posts: 829 Location: U,s,A
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Ry wrote: We all know that religions can be used as tools to sway the masses into doing ridiculous things for the government. Like it or not Major Churches invest in defense companies. But they hide from critics by cloaking themselves as "religion" in general. For example Israel deflects critics of its political fascism to be critics of Jews in general as people. Holy rollers deflect their critics to be attacks on Christianity or morals in general. We have to break down this protective mask of "religion" which hides the businesses and the politics of the insane. I think nothing has hurt religions more than the manipulation of their followers and their collective wealth for political purposes. Separation of Church and State is good for both the state and the church.
Personally I do not have a religion. But that is beside the point. I would not care what other people believed in at all were it not protecting and financially supporting political policies, normally the kind where lots of people die. The "religious" Right in the United States is an enemy to the world and to humanity. They are insane profiteers who have made their faith incorporate their core beliefs of greed, power, racism, and authoritarianism.
They are the Neocons' base of support. If you want to strike the root then go after these nuts. And do not see it as an attack on Christianity. That is exactly what is protecting them. Normal Christians are afraid of exposing the nasty wing of Christianity which is very real and always has been. Stop blaming it on German death cults, the devil, or the "illuminati." It's your own leadership. Stand up to these kooks and divide them.
Evil people get away with it not because there are so many evil people but because all the good people who sit by and do nothing. Likewise Muslims ect don’t attack Christianity, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore than attacking Islam. Go after the actual individuals who do the nasty things. Their supporters are beyond reason or change. Hit the leaders as people not as (-----)s of whatever faith.
I try and do both because I see religion on two different levels of evil/stupidity. But for now it is all politics. I care far more if people are wicked than if they are just dumb. .
dude u cant be serious callin religious people evil or dumb . tsk tsk
atheist in my opinion are dummest around ,but i wouldnt call them that because i have to respect others and their views to things ,shows what kinda character i carry ,my dum religious mind .what do i know huh
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“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves JUST actions.” (_Quran 60:8_)
To kill an innocent life it is as if you killed humanity ,to save an innocent life is as if you saved humanity ... the blessed Quran...
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:42 am |
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Oh I am very serious to say that religion is beyond dumb and has caused quite deal of evil.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception (Magic Bunnies) Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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Left of Larry
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:27 am |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 692 Location: Richmond Va
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To deny the religious implications in global problems is the same as denying the palestenians plight in Israel. Religion funds war and death. The elitists use it profit and power, the masses see it as prophecies to be fulfilled. THis is straight out of Leo Strauss' playbook...using religion to control the masses.
Mixing ancient ideologies with 21st century technology is dangerous. Evangelical churches invest money in israel, to see israel grow, but only to see it destroyed...the whole middle east war is set to destabilize that region. I'm completely against war in Iran, but I do find it ironic how we destabilize Iraq, create extremism, but yet, let Iran build nuclear power... You see without Iran's threat to Israel, the prophecies cannot be fulfilled. The evangelical churches support Israel because Israel is at the forefront of the apocalypse. But even besides that, it's a religious power struggle.
To deny the implications of religion on the world, one must either be blind, dumb or in extreme denial.
_________________ REP THE STUTTER STEP THEN BOMB A LEFT UPON THE FASCISTS!! (ratm)
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:33 am |
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open a religious text and read it and tell me with a straight face everything in it is real. without massive rationalization and excuse making it cannot be done.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception (Magic Bunnies) Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
ry ryan dawson author politics political antineocon anti-neocon antineocons anti-neocons raising the volume of peace - news the media is paid not to tell you how they blep you
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Left of Larry
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:00 am |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 692 Location: Richmond Va
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religious texts are ambiguous, hypocritical and full of contradictions.
_________________ REP THE STUTTER STEP THEN BOMB A LEFT UPON THE FASCISTS!! (ratm)
Like a Hawk...I am watching you, Mr. President.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:13 pm |
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Joined: May 9th, 2006 Posts: 597 Location: Califaz
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Left of Larry wrote: To deny the religious implications in global problems is the same as denying the palestenians plight in Israel. Religion funds war and . The elitists use it profit and power, the masses see it as prophecies to be fulfilled. THis is straight out of Leo Strauss' playbook...using religion to control the masses.
Mixing ancient ideologies with 21st century technology is dangerous. Evangelical churches invest money in israel, to see israel grow, but only to see it destroyed...the whole middle east war is set to destabilize that region. I'm completely against war in Iran, but I do find it ironic how we destabilize Iraq, create extremism, but yet, let Iran build nuclear power... You see without Iran's threat to Israel, the prophecies cannot be fulfilled. The evangelical churches support Israel because Israel is at the forefront of the apocalypse. But even besides that, it's a religious power struggle.
To deny the implications of religion on the world, one must either be blind, dumb or in extreme denial. The theocratic Islamic State lasted strongly until 1924. It fell because a large number of power conspired against it. It was even called the "undefeatable army" by Britain. It's just that after a long cu ltural war and opposite powers conspiring the State became known as the "sick man of Europe" and eventually became weak enough to be fought against (still teamed up by the way). The navy was still powerful, the army was very powerful, all while being a theocratic State. Quote: Mixing ancient ideologies with 21st century technology is dangerous. The Islamic State never used funds to create unjust wars or mess other areas up. Whenever other areas were conquered they were not treated as lesser countries, or had dictators put in (America has done this plenty of times), instead it was annexed and the funds went to stabalize the region or pay for education and such. The wars, the genocides, the h ate crimes, the Church fundings, that was all Christian Europe and now America. The "genocides commited by the Ottomans came after the culural war became a huge threat and the Caliph was desperate and didn't know what to do. If the state was still here, we wouldn't see Palestine under occupation, Iraq under occupation, Sudan facing genocide, Chechnya under occupation, etc. We would also see just about no poverty no exaggeuration. You'd have to be an idiot to disagreee with me. Quote: To deny the implications of religion on the world, one must either be blind, dumb or in extreme denial.
Whether you like religion or not you'd have to be blind, deaf, and dumb yourself to think that Palestine was better off under British hands than under the hands of the Islamic State. Actually, the whole middle east would be MUCH better off under the hands of an Islamic State than the extreme, seperate, secular (many of them are secular), and weak little kingdoms and republics that it is today. The middle east was feared up until the 20th century, not even tag-teamed could Europe have destroyed it. They tried and failed many times. Quote: create extremism
America did not create extremism that's what the media likes to say. The "sectarian viol ence" going on today is just BS. Iraq is in a civil war and the different sides fighting just so happen to be sunni or shiite, there are some groups that are mixed which the media cleverly ignores. And because the "sectarian vio lence" isn't what's true, we see a lot more false flags now being executed.
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Left of Larry
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:50 pm |
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sangre_de_soldado wrote: Whether you like religion or not you'd have to be blind, deaf, and dumb yourself to think that Palestine was better off under British hands than under the hands of the Islamic State.
I'm not sure why you think I meant that palestine would be better off under british hands. But I think I agree here. sangre_de_soldado wrote: Actually, the whole middle east would be MUCH better off under the hands of an Islamic State than the extreme, seperate, secular (many of them are secular), and weak little kingdoms and republics that it is today. The middle east was feared up until the 20th century, not even tag-teamed could Europe have destroyed it. They tried and failed many times. I think it is dangerous to have countries run on the basis of religion. The same reasons why a christian theocracy is bad for the US are the same reasons why a theocracy is bad for the middle east. Just because you agree with one religion or another doesn't make yours the right one. I mean...you don't believe in xtianity, and xtianity doesn not believe in Islam. I believe in neither for the exact and equal reasons. Just because a theocracy makes you stronger..doesn't make you righteous. sangre_de_soldado wrote: America did not create extremism that's what the media likes to say. The "sectarian violence" going on today is just BS. Iraq is in a civil war and the different sides fighting just so happen to be sunni or shiite, there are some groups that are mixed which the media cleverly ignores. And because the "sectarian violence" isn't what's true, we see a lot more false flags now being executed.
I didn't mean america created extremists...they just fuelled their fire. I do agree Iraq is in a civil war..and I know that sunni's and shiite are not very friendly to each other. I'm also aware of the kurds and some christian groups mixed in the jumble.
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