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I thought this was where we came to introduce ourselves and stuff, what a suprise to find a religious discussion, much like the ones i have almost everyday. One of my best friends is Fundamental Christian. It is a peculiar religion, as i'm sure fundamental anything is. As far as I know, there can be no individual interpretation of the words in the bible. It is strictly for him...to the letter. Here are some of the problems i see with religions...although if people derive comfort in it, I'm not here to scath or bash them.

You cannot prove a negative. That is no-one can prove there is not something. Such as a god...or like Iraqs WMDs...how can they prove that something doesnt exist? The burden is on the believer to show the evidence, not on a disbeliever to show the lack of evidence. To prove a negative is far too elusive to be a practical method, such as we saw with Iraq. They told the WORLD they didnt have WMD...and yet...the believers march in to prove them wrong...only to prove them right...lol.

Further, I find great discouragement in my fellow man when he gives credit to another entity for something they have accomplished. For example...If i say i am dealing with tough circumstances...lets say only for the sake of a discussion that my whole family has passed away. I'm not sure i have the strength to continue. I contemplate suicide (remember this is hypothetical) and every breath i take feels like a labor of existance. I am a religious fella and turn to god and jesus for strength in this tough time. Miraculously I feel better over time, and accept my karma, though I dont understand the purpose of his grand scheme. This is a great miscredit. It would be my own perseverance and determination that gets me through, and to give credit to a figure head is an injustice to the human condition. Im glad some people find strength in religion...but i do think it'd may be a better place if we all knew to find strength within ourselves.

Another point I have a problem with is the end of times. Are these the end of times? Have you seen the signs? Have you interpreted them? Arent you NOT supposed to look for signs since "he will come like a theif in the night"? Arent you supposed to let this happen secure in the knowledge of your faith providing you with passage into heaven? Then what if it isnt the end of times...and this new world order is acheived? See the conundrum? It promotes a sense of complacency, acceptance, and even denial in some. If you are so sure that Jesus has your back then why do you fret about these things? Why do you find yourself here searching for answers he does not provide? I do not mean to be accusatory, just observations...I ask these same questions of my friend ALL THE TIME. He doesnt have answers, maybe he isnt supposed to. I would like to feel the comfort that a religious person may feel in times like these. Unfortunatley I believe we have one shot at getting many things right. Once the buttons are pushed there is almost no taking them back (perhaps they could be shot down...) and when hundreds of thousands die in a moment, or a year, or a decade, none of that can be retracted as well. I have many other deep questions on religion but will stop here for now.

That said I believe Jesus existed. Buddha doesnt pwn the market on compasion. At times i even find Buddha's teaching to be a lesson in despair, as well as humility. The biggest problem I see in religion is man...and his ability to pervert any subject and bend it to his own perspective, and use it as a tool to achieve his ends. Like the greatest weapon of all, our intellect and the brains ability to rationalize the unrationable is as sharp and deadly as any rock, knife, katana, matchlock, gatlin gun, M-16, Uzi, MP-5, conventional and nuclear missles, and now sound and microwave weapons.

Here's something of comfort on the ID cards btw, my state just vetoed it, as did 2 others. Nothing is ever sealed in stone Natasha, as long as we still live and breathe anything can happen. i'm in NH...live free or die

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I used to think Jesus existed as a man at elast but not anymore. You should see out film in the hidden history section. The Jesus story was taken from Krishna and Horace almost to the letter. Ansd we KNOW Moses did not free the slaves it was Cyrus the Great the King of Persia who beat Babylon and set free the Hebrews.

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Sry, when i say i believe Jesus existed it certainly was as a man, not the son of a god. The fact that the stories from one religion and transplanted in another does not suprise me, since i believe most religions regurgitate the same parables. I believe both buddha and jesus walked the earth, but as far as just learning from what i believe to be stories i dont give them alot of weight. There are people who dedicate all their time to researching religion, theologists, and I could never hope to have that much time to research and try to verify what I believe to be the same as santa clause. Here is what i think of religion in general. All religions unfortunatley...

They are a system of control, especially the ones that have an after life mingled into them. Most religions were started along time ago, when things were very brutal, and most folks were uneducated. I believe "certain people" thought the public needed to be brainwashed into thinking they had to behave in this life or suffer consequences in the next. And I also think they though by keeping them uneducated it would be easier. I wonder if evolution would have had a more "klingon" style of development, or if we would have evolved better without that system of control. The churches were the first "corporations", they controlled the media...what was taught...what was law..etc etc. They traded and sold entire countries that were independant and soverign entities. Various treaties and such delegated non christian lands to different countries which were christian. (Im sorry if i use christian and catholic synonymously, i dont mean to insult anyone.)

I enjoy hearing stories about Jesus and Buddha, Marduk, Inana, Zues, Persues, Athena, Kuthulu, Ra, Isis, Anubis, Osiris, Faust, Friar Bacon and other pagan tales. But i look at them all like fables. I think we can learn from these stories, perhaps even live by them, but living for them is dangerous.

I did look for the movie in the hidden history but couldnt find it. What is the title? Also i totally misunderstood this thread, I though it was for new members...didnt realize it was one new member saying hi. Sorry to jump into your thread like that Natasha, nice to meet you

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-saint

Hello, folks--I just joined. Except for the 9/11 Truther thing, I'm otherwise on board for the rest of it.

I've worked with combustion engineers too long to buy into the Truther ct, sorry. Include me out on that one.

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Well Clara, Im a physicist and I gotta say there is a lot of truth in what Ryan writes. I do agree with you on the fact that I stay out of this thread for the most part and I dont talk a lot about it cause well Im not going to say why. Really, Clara as long as you understand that the govt allowed such a thing to happen for the state of Israel, to build support for the the zionist domination of the middle east then we are on the same page.

Well, there's physicist and then there's combustion engineer (specialist). I don't expect the general physicist to have as good a handle on combustion as would the combustion engineer (or firefighter, for that matter; there's a lot that Stephen Jones says that doesn't square with basic first responder knowledge).

In the interest of science, I would prefer to have more proof of that false-flag charge, but I will say that I wouldn't put it past 'em, given that the current administration was looking for any excuse to pull any kind of fast one in Iraq.

Trouble with the false-flag allegation is the long history preceeding Dubya's regime, not the least of which was the attack engineered by "the blind sheik". Nobody of Dubya's camp was in power at that time.

Otherwise, I'm fully wise to Zionism, and when it comes to Zionism in general, I'm with ya on THAT page, you betcha.

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I would agree that a general physicist and a combustion engineer is a different breed. I also pretty much have a BS in chemistry and math. Not to blow my own horn here, but engineers as a whole are retarded as they dont truly understand the logic involved in their calculations. Not to down play engineers but my point is I have worked in the civil, environmental, electrical and mechanical engineering worlds. An engineer(specialist) would not be able to cross over into the world of research or particle physics w/o some further education. I was able to do so very easily and had to help my boss with calculations. I think those people just learn the math that applies to them and thats it, cause I gotta tell you they were having trouble w/ easy differential equations. (off my soap box now)

Yeah, so I think it would be a good idea to stay out of this thread, too.

Clara, one of the things I'll have on the radio is the sworn testimony given at the San Diego Grand Jury on April 14th, inlcuding many folk from the scientific community, as well as structural engineers and architects.

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To be the tree that will not bend when the winds of change are blowing, is to be the tree that will be broken in the strongest winds of unknowing.

-saint

it does not take a scientist to see that B7 was demolished. fire does not make buildings made of steel disapear including the foundations in 6 seconds. Only bombs can do that. Even an earthquake can not do it that fast. And it would never fall in its own foot print. Go look at buildings that have fallen from quakes they dont slide straight down. An even non-steel building that fell from fire do not lose their foundations and NEVER has one crubled into dust in 6 seconds esp one that was 47 floors high.

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