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 Post subject: Re: It's the Zionists not "the Jews"
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:13 pm 
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In this crucial time when the Fascist state of Israel is murdering thousands of innocent people all to the tune of US support and profits. Remember that it is not America and it is not "the Jews." We must be careful to separate such broad simplifications and not vent our frustrations and justified anger on easily identifiable targets. Many Americans (such as myself) have been aware of and against this blood for profit horror from the start. Many leading anti-war advocates are Jewish/Hebrew, (Stewart, Chomsky, Maher, Robert Fisk, Norm Finkelstein, Alexander Cockburn, ect...)

The Neocons are using the religion/race card to hide behind to stave off criticism. The Zionists run the media and there is no way all the corporate profiteers could get away with what they were doing in their warmongering were it not over lapping the interests of Israel

This time the press coverage is so appalling and so openly bias that even American and British couch potatoes can see through it. Some sane voices are even leaking through the attempted spin. Now the main reason to tie this in with Judaism however is to collect the support and overwhelming wealth of Christian Zionists.

Its the American Government that is so screwed up not the people. And it's the (government of) Religious institutions, the Church, that is screwed up not the basic moderate Christian believers. They have no clue or control of where the money goes.

There is a nasty relationship here between the Bank, Government, Religion and the Military Industrial Complex better named the Military Industrial Religions business. As Religion is an industry and a tax free one at that

Israel is the medium. Ok. Israel serves as the cashcow and point of perpetual conflict. Religion is the fuel as there are always a portion of religious people who are easily manipulated to do anything including the worst crime of humanity in history and that is very easy to document.

This group comprises such loons as the Settlers in the occupied territories, who live on land for the self proclaimed chosen race of god, which they took from civilians illegally, with the Israeli military, by murdering people, demolishing homes, and terrorism. Now the press will NEVER mention that.

The backlash of this apartheid state us a cycle of violence. But without mention of the illegal and brutal occupation, the US media depicts Israel as defending itself against terrorism, rather than dealing with the results of committing it. And it is not just Palestine, Israel occupies or has occupied parts of Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt as well. Israel killed tens of thousands on Lebanese in 1978 and 1982 and the ensuing occupation of there preemptive and US supported invasions.

They torture people, and their supreme court legalized it in 1987 not that its illegality have ever slowed it down a bit. Israel is breaking more UN resolutions than any other nation is or ever has. And the number would be much higher were it not for the US veto power which often vetoes resolutions solo against the entire international community.

How can the US support a nation that sets up a spy ring in the US for the upteenth time, or a nation who has been busted creating false flag operations and even attacking a US naval ship? How can the US support a country that has set up a wall not on it's border but cutting into Palestine under the pretext of a "security fence" which is in essence a land grab?

Why?

The answer is not hard to gue$$.

Please see this film about the US media first.

Now that you understand the Media's role, here (briefly) is how it ties into the MIC-RB and the Central (privately owned) banks.

See this video link if you do not understand the fiat money system or what a private bank means. Just to note another film is coming about the same topic and it is called From Freedom to Fascism. But it is not out yet, here is the trailer if you do not have time to review the other film I referred.

Before one can fully understand the goal of the Neocons they must understand the Israeli conflict and what it serves. To do that one must understand the role of the press and the debt systems generated by the bank through war.

The missing bit, of which there is no film for, is the one that no one will talk about because it is so taboo by its nature. The most taboo subject of all is of course religion, particularly Christianity.

I want to point out that though I am an Atheist, I was raised religious and I know enough about Christianity and Judaism they clearly state that what is currently being done in their name is the antithesis of the messages of Christ and the teachings/warnings of the Torah.

[Now does Judaism have a concept of a chosen race of god? Well yes it does, But so what. Christianity has the [url]concepts[/url] of animal sacrifices, witches, the divine right of kings, talking animals, marriage contracted only sex. But one would be hard pressed to find America Christians who still advocated for a king, a monarchy over a republic, or who sprayed a lambs blood on his door to avoid the angle of death. I am not advocating religion, both Judaism and Christianity condemn homosexuality, supported slavery, and treat women like property but the religion as evolved passed that in most regards. See religion is as religion does, so as long as the followers ignore huge portions of their text, then their text really doesn't matter.

The military is the largest umbrella corporation in the world and the US military has more funding than all other militaries put together. War is expensive and it involves a lot of reconstruction, indeed sometimes entire cities (as was the case for Japan) and that is A LOT of contracts and money being selectively handed out without bidding to companies who have financial ties to government employees and or connections in the form of campaign financing to politicians.

One of the largest investors into the stocks (and equity firms) of the companies which will benefit from war is (surprise) churches!!
Yes the Fascist state of Israel has its occupation supported more by Evangelicals, AND mainstream Protestant churches in the US than it does by the US government.

Now the real crazies who are easy to identify like Robertson and Falwell pay lip service to Israel to mobilize their flocks. But quietly and without much criticism, other denominations are investing the money of mostly good willing Christians into the pockets of the Military industries involved in the occupation.

Israel could fall flat on its face short of some orchestrated event to hasten the US muscle into Syria and Iran. Israel's real plan is not about recovering captured ("kidnapped") soldiers.

I hate saying this, But I encourage you to learn about this as well as the step by step deceptions which brought us into the war with Iraq and the neocon's future plans. So to shamelessly plug myself, please buy my book "Welcome to the USSA"

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Everything from the Mossad's connections to 911, the Niger forgeries, the Plame Affair, Abarmoff, The AIPAC spy-ring, and the Iraq war are covered in this book. But I believe I have woven the facts together in a very conclusive and revealing picture.

I pay for this site out of my own pocket. Please join us, register as an anti-neocon on this site and the more books that are sold the larger and more expansive this site will become. Together we are breaking the media monopoly and exposing the Neocon agenda.

If it is just the Zionists and not the rest of the Jews, then why have they been hated and persecuted for centuries? Did Zionists murder Jesus? Did Zionists perform Jewish Ritual Murder throughout the ages? It's easy enough to just give the non-Zionist Jews a pass, but it doesn't wash, my friend.

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 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:58 pm 
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i think a lot of the reasons Jews has been persecuted for centuries is to do with religious bigotry in both sides. not every Jew is in on a conspiracy and not everyone involved in conspiracies are Jewish. Zionism is obviously a problem since it is exploited by so many as a means for to get money, power, war and to generally fuck over a whole lot of people.

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Did Zionists murder Jesus?

lol... the question is my friend - did Jesus even exist?

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 Post Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:45 pm 
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i think a lot of the reasons Jews has been persecuted for centuries is to do with religious bigotry in both sides. not every Jew is in on a conspiracy and not everyone involved in conspiracies are Jewish. Zionism is obviously a problem since it is exploited by so many as a means for to get money, power, war and to generally fuck over a whole lot of people.

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Did Zionists murder Jesus?

lol... the question is my friend - did Jesus even exist?

Religious bigotry doesn't explain the depth of hatred that has existed for Jews and only Jews for so long by so many people all over the world, my friend. They are the only people who have been persecuted, tortured, killed, subjected to pograms, detested, ostracized, shunned, etc. so constantly and so thoroughly throughout history, and there has to be some other reason besides 'religious bigotry' to explain this universal dislike of them. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche nailed it pretty well when he said: "Anti-Semitism is the final consequence of Judaism, an unavoidable result of their own actions." Every Jew who does not and will not condemn the actions of Zionism is, in Lasher's opinion, just as culpable as any other Zionist.

And no, the question isn't 'did Jesus exist?' son, Jesus could very well have existed; the question is, was Jesus the Son of God, and did all the occurences attributed to Him actually happen or are they the imaginings of the Disciples, who had their own agenda, just as whoever wrote that hog-wash in the Old Testament about Jews being 'God's Chosen People' had their own agenda.

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well there are some weird things if you look at the Jewish texts, same as in christianity. I think if you actuallly follow the bible or the talmud or whatver to the word then you are bound to do some weird stuff, never mind all the good moral stuff that's in those books.

anyway. you say the bible may have been the imaginings of the disciples - but it wasn't written until well after Jesus' life, and no one knows if the 'disciples' even actually wrote them.

and your also wrong about Jews being the only ones persecuted. What about the Catholics. they got burned in parts of europe, so they were not the only ones treated like shit by a lot of people.

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by the way Vitrginia Egypt is given the money that it is to pay off their dictator to not attack Israel.

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as a muslim im not allowed to judge anyone , and if i was put in a position to judge ,i must be just in my decision
Thats a contradiction because deciding not to judge is a judgement. Its also equivilant of telling people not to think. It is a way for religion to excuse itself by saying hey dont judge or think about any of the stupid shit we do its just beyond the human mind etc lol.

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Israel treats us like **** and tries to force us to do whatever it wants, including prop up insane Zionism everywhere for only them and their corporations?

Not to mention all the Christain ZIONISM added into it!!!

Gee, I wonder what we're left with. There's no surprise the many Zionist Jews end up feeling all the hate around the world, they're nearly the source of the whole pogrom!!!!!!!

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

They're DISOBEYING every day they follow the Talmud. Far too many Zion fanatics follow the violent Talmud book as a Bible and hang off its every word. Talmud is one of the worst things out there. Just as bad as the Holy Bible only it calls for some to be boiled alive. :roll:


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are beyond redemption. Not only are large numbers of them unaware or apathetic about the inroads made by "Palestinian" propaganda, many are actually in agreement, at least to some degree, with [those scurrilous] 'Palestinian' claims."


SPOKEN are the words of a true Zionist, you would expect nothing less except such gross lies and idiocy. :x

PALESTINIAN CLAIMS are just as legitimate as they were 60 years ago, only now is the first time they've been heard. :x

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Zionism is a disease against G-d. The very comments of those Zionists against the Jewish population is proof of that, they are beyond hope.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

Zionism's adherents think they are moral when what they commit, is outright murder, encouraging the same. With both sides in conflict Zionism then blames the lesser side, their official modus operandi, as they can never accept the truth that they started the war themselves.


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you have to admire Virginia's style of writing though - it is almost convincing. I wonder how many forums the exact same words have been posted?

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