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In this crucial time when the Fascist state of Israel is murdering thousands of innocent people all to the tune of US support and profits. Remember that it is not America and it is not "the Jews." We must be careful to separate such broad simplifications and not vent our frustrations and justified anger on easily identifiable targets. Many Americans (such as myself) have been aware of and against this blood for profit horror from the start. Many leading anti-war advocates are Jewish/Hebrew, (Chomsky, Robert Fisk, Norm Finkelstein, Alexander Cockburn, ect...)
The Neocons are using the religion/race card to hide behind to stave off criticism. The Zionists run the media and there is no way all the corporate profiteers could get away with what they were doing in their warmongering were it not over lapping the interests of Israel.
This time the press coverage is so appalling and so openly bias that even American and British couch potatoes can see through it. Some sane voices are even leaking through the attempted spin. Now the main reason to tie this in with Judaism however is to collect the support and overwhelming wealth of Christian Zionists.
Its the American Government that is so screwed up not the people. And it's the (government of) Religious institutions, the Church, that is screwed up not the basic moderate Christian believers. They have no clue or control of where the money goes.
There is a nasty relationship here between the Bank, Government, Religion and the Military Industrial Complex better named the Military Industrial Religions business. Religion is an industry and a tax free one at that. Borg Banking Organized Religion and Government.
Israel is the medium. Ok. Israel serves as the cashcow and point of perpetual conflict. Religion is the fuel as there are always a portion of religious people who are easily manipulated to do anything including the worst crime of humanity in history and that is very easy to document.
This group comprises such loons as the Settlers in the occupied territories, who live on land for the self proclaimed chosen race of god, which they took from civilians illegally, with the Israeli military, by murdering people, demolishing homes, and terrorism. Now the press will NEVER mention that.
The backlash of this apartheid state is a cycle of violence. But without a mention of the illegal and brutal occupation, the US media depicts Israel as defending itself against terrorism, rather than dealing with the results of committing it. And it is not just Palestine, Israel occupies or has occupied parts of Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt as well. Israel killed tens of thousands of Lebanese in 1978 and 1982 and the ensuing occupation of there preemptive and US supported invasions.
They torture people, and their supreme court legalized it in 1987 not that its illegality have ever slowed it down a bit. Israel is breaking more UN resolutions than any other nation is or ever has. And the number would be much higher were it not for the US veto power which often vetoes resolutions solo against the entire international community.
How can the US support a nation that sets up a spy ring in the US for the upteenth time, or a nation who has been busted creating false flag operations and even attacking a US naval ship? How can the US support a country that has set up a wall not on it's border but cutting into Palestine under the pretext of a "security fence" which is in essence a land grab?
Now that you understand the Media's role, here (briefly) is how it ties into the MIC-RB and the Central (privately owned) banks.
See this video link if you do not understand the fiat money system or what a private bank means. Just to note another film is coming about the same topic and it is called From Freedom to Fascism. But it is not out yet, here is the trailer if you do not have time to review the other film I referred.
Before one can fully understand the goal of the Neocons they must understand the Israeli conflict and what it serves. To do that one must understand the role of the press and the debt systems generated by the bank through war.
The missing bit, of which there is no film for, is the one that no one will talk about because it is so taboo by its nature. The most taboo subject of all is of course religion, particularly Christianity.
I want to point out that though I am an Atheist, I was raised religious and I know enough about Christianity and Judaism to say they clearly state that what is currently being done in their name is the antithesis of the messages of Christ and the teachings/warnings of the Torah. And you can quote nasty things from scripture all day it doesn't matter. I agree (as an atheist) religious texts (any of them) are fucking retarded and immoral. But that's a totally separate issue. Many Jews are also only so ethnically and no religiously, just like many Irish Americans consider themselves Irish even if they've never been to Ireland and are not Catholic and might not even be Christian.
[Now does Judaism have a concept of a chosen race of god? Well yes it does, But so what. Christianity has the [url]concepts[/url] of animal sacrifices, witches, the divine right of kings, talking animals, marriage contracted only sex, mythical creatures and so on. But one would be hard pressed to find America Christians who still advocated for a king, a monarchy over a republic, or who sprayed a lambs blood on his door to avoid the angle of death. I am not advocating religion, both Judaism and Christianity condemn homosexuality, supported slavery, and treat women like property but the religion has evolved passed that in most regards. See religion is as religion does, so as long as the followers ignore huge portions of their text, then their text really doesn't matter.
The military is the largest umbrella corporation in the world and the US military has more funding than all other militaries put together. War is expensive and it involves a lot of reconstruction, indeed sometimes entire cities (as was the case for Japan) and that is A LOT of contracts and money being selectively handed out without bidding to companies who have financial ties to government employees and or connections in the form of campaign financing to politicians.
Some of the largest investors into the stocks (and equity firms) of the companies which will benefit from war are (surprise) churches!! Yes the Fascist state of Israel has its occupation supported more by Evangelicals, AND mainstream Protestant churches in the US than it does by the US government.
Now the real crazies who are easy to identify like Robertson and Falwell pay lip service to Israel to mobilize their flocks. But quietly and without much criticism, other denominations are investing the money of mostly good willing Christians into the pockets of the Military industries involved in the occupation.
I hate saying this, But I encourage you to learn about this as well as the step by step deceptions which brought us into the war with Iraq and the neocon's future plans. So to shamelessly plug myself, please buy my book "Welcome to the USSA"
Everything from the Mossad's connections to 911, the Niger forgeries, the Plame Affair, Abarmoff, The AIPAC spy-ring, and the Iraq war are covered in this book. But I believe I have woven the facts together in a very conclusive and revealing picture.
I pay for this site out of my own pocket. Please join us, register as an anti-neocon on this site and the more books that are sold the larger and more expansive this site will become. Together we are breaking the media monopoly and exposing the Neocon agenda.
It doesn't matter that Obama is now in office. The old Neocons of PNAC are out mostly but the new Zionists in charge have just re-spouted in CNAS with the exact same agenda as the original neocons. The policies are the same, the only difference between any of them are their origins. A Typhoon or a Hurricane differ only in origin but the results are the same, disaster.
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Last edited by Ry on Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:04 pm, edited 3 times in total.
I'm surprised no one has commented yet, this is very good.
Yes not a race or religion but a technocracy, it's harder to see when you are in the midst of racial, political, or religious ideology because that precludes a panoramic view.
And yeah if we resort to petty hatred and we are just taking our place on the chess board of their divide and rule game.
I think your posting of this is good timing because things always heat up when big events happen, my and many others loathing of Israels activity has grown enormously with what is happening now, but anger can obscure objective thinking thus it gets thrown about without correct discrimination.
But how to get christian zionists to give up their irrational beliefs? They think that muslims are working for the 'anti-christ' while muslims call america and israel 'the great satan' and not without justification in the latter.
Ry
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:49 pm
Super Anti-Neocon
Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31556 Location: Japan
More money (way more) goes to Israel from WASP churches than from the government.
What is the illuminati?
a fantasy from Protestant Christians to shift the blame of their financing of Israel on to atheist and or catholics (note the knights of templar crap and all the other old catholic military orders)
PNAC came straight out of Israel by the same people who wrote the Clean break papers.
I know Alex is a patriot but he is also a Christian nut and fell in with the Tex Marrs illumnati crap.
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Revolution
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:25 am
Revolutionary Party
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2005 Posts: 474
This is good.
African Warrior
Post subject: Lets come back to reality
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:50 pm
Anti-Neocon novice
Joined: Sep 23rd, 2005 Posts: 16 Location: New York, New York
As much as the Ultra-Zionist and Radical Evangelical ideology is troubling and racist, lets come back to reality about the political situation in the Middle East. A good reference point is the Declaration of the Arab Summit Conference at Algiers on November 28, 1973
the three four key players in regional politics, Saudi Arabia, per capita the richest, Egypt, the most populous, and Jordan, with the longest border with the Palestinian Territories and Israel, all recognized the existence of Israel as a state, called for the withdrawal of Israel behind the Green and Blue Lines demarcated before 1967, and the surrender of Jerusalem. This Declaration laid the groundwork for the agreements between Jordan and Egypt and the greivances of the extremist in the region against the moderate and "appeasing" governments in the region to the Zionist threat.
While there is no denying the atrocities that occurred in the displacement of nearly a million Palestinians, Druze, Arab and Hammite Nomads, Bedouin and the people of the Negev, the Zionist often cite the upwards of 700,000 Egyptian, Arab, Persian, Turkish and African Jews from across the Middle East that migrated to Israel in the past 50 years, and the centuries of atrocities they sufffered under various Muslim regimes throughout the region. While there is no real justification for the murder, displacement and disenfranchisement of the Palestinian people for the crimes of the Germans and Europeans in the Holocaust, propaganda has played a major role creating a political environment which fosters this mentality.
At this point, anyone objective with an education can see these greivances, as well as the complicated state of affairs, but the real question is "how do we fix this shit?" While I like to be surrounded by like-minded people in terms of political beliefs and social philosophy, we have to be giving this serious thought rather than preaching to the choir.
The current political situation is disastrous for both sides. Confidence in Prime Minister Olmert is at an all-time low. Not since the Yom Kippur War of 1973 has an Israeli military campaign been considered a "loss", when the Israelis were forced to negotiate with the Egyptians after the invasion, and the result was a 30-year treaty which was signed at Camp David, and the withdrawal from the Sinai Peninsula. Since 1973, this is the first time the Israelis have ceded anything without a guarantee, and the first time land was not attained and occupied or an objective not accomplished that was detailed before the initiation of a campaign.
While we may not discuss the opposite side of the conflict very often, there are serious implications for the strategic position of Hezbollah right now. First and foremost, the secular governments in the Middle East are all at a very weak stage, Iraq could fall into civil war any day, the Egyptian government is constantly challenged by fundamentalist and the Lebanese government could have collapsed in the past 34 days, and the worst is yet to be seen as Hezbollah has taken a primary role in aiding hundred of thousands of refugees in Lebanon (an estimated 750,000), most of which (80%) are Shia and from the South. We must realize that the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend here. I am not atheist, but I am certainly secular, and, quite frankly, I would not want to live under the regime of Israel as a non-Jew, but also would not want to live under the regime of Hezbollah or any Islamist government as a secular Muslim. And while there is no question the disproportionate funding for Israel and its 5 million Jewish citizens and 2.8 million regular and reserve armed forces provides an additional reason for regional instability, just the 90 million in egypt could draw an army of 10 million with organization and will, that, with the proper technology and training, could defeat any army in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia. More important, the 3 million people of Lebanon, and the estimated 50,000 members of the Hezbollah militia hidden in a sea of 1 million Shia Muslims throughout the country, could not be defeated by the largest army in the Middle East at the current time. At a time like this, it would be easy for the Pro-Israel Lobby to argue that Israel needs more support than ever in the face of Iran and Syria using Hezbollah as a proxy, and this could have been the preface to a larger regional war and possibly World War III.
Most importantly, we must realize that there is no "hidden majority" of Americans "with a conscious". Even the illiterate 30-year old auto mechanic that lives in a trailer recognizes that:
a) the history of the United States includes some of the worst human rights violations to date, including genocidal campaigns against an entire greater human race of Native Americans, the largest commercial slave trade in the world, religious and racial violence for 200 years, 210,000 people kills in two nuclear attacks in four days at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and hundreds of thousands more killed as a result of radioactive poisoning from the attack, and countlesss illegal wars
b) the first settlers in the United States were religious refugees.
c) the displacement of the Native Americans (and subsequent enslavement and killing) was justified for the survival and longevity of the first settlers in the United States.
Maybe I am missing something, but that ironically mirrors the philosophical history of Israel.
Who are you to tell that the United States is funding Israel? And if they do not know by now, what good will it be telling them? As the extremes are emerging all around us, I suggest we take a moment and come back to reality.
hopeforjustice
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:41 am
Anti-Neocon novice
Joined: Jul 18th, 2006 Posts: 57
I agree with some of what you say, african warrior, but I would like to point out that according to arabs (you referred to the middle east as muslim states, which I have to disagree with because there aren't any "Islamic" countries anywhere in the world...Saudi Arabia and Iran being the least Islamic) there were generally no attrocities committed against jews, and as far as recent history goes Ben Gurion was quoted saying that the early zionists did false flag operations in the middle east in order to get more jews to migrate to Israel.
My grandmother(RIP) used to tell me stories of how well the muslims, christians, and jews got along before the zionists had control in palestine.
Second, the Native American situation is very similar to the palestinian issue, but they differ in that the native americans were given reservations to live in and given civil rights (eventually) and basic human rights. The palestinians are still being driven out of their lands and the Israelis are not going to give up until they are all gone, whether by killing them, starving them, or expelling them. The Palestinians don't have ANY human rights or civil rights.
I live in the south, and trust me, a lot of people here don't know their own history and believe that their government is the greatest govt in the world! They are totally oblivious to what is really happening in the world.
The few people who do know feel helpless, and others are happy this is going on, while others don't care.
Ry
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:45 am
Super Anti-Neocon
Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31556 Location: Japan
Dude Iraq has been in a civil war for about 2 years now. They don't have control of the military so its guerrilla groups from each religious faction fighting each other.
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native americans were given reservations to live in and given civil rights (eventually) and basic human rights
Given? more like forced. Reservations even CURRENTLY are three deviations below the poverty line. They are nothing but work camps. Ever go to one aside from the Navajo. They are super large trailer parks.
Until 1973 American Indians had to go get a liscens from DC or Oklahoma just to get married. Ronald Reagan dislaced 1 million Indians of the 4 million that even exist and that would be including mixed people. Many tribes are not Federally recognized even though they are clearly Native Americans and they dont even have a reservation and their languages have been totally lost. Young Natives were forcefully taken from their homes and sent to English schools. You know why things changed in 1973? The second Wounded Knee that's what. Thank you AIM.
The world does speak out for Palestine, American Indians are still ignored. 50 million were killed by colonial powers that even more than the Africans who lost around 44 million in the slave trade and numerous invasions.
It was genocide, not just an occupation but toal genocide especially in the Carribean and What is now Mexico and of course the rest of North America with the exception of Hawaii. Hawaii is more like Palestine killed and occupied by religious fanatics and their wealth completely stolen and land taken but not wiped out.
Native Americans remain the poorest ethnic group in the US even with a gambling and dont get me started on that bull shit 90% of the money goes to the BIA not to Natives.
The Crow are the one possible exception because of people like Robert Yellow Tail a lawyer who lived to be 103 and had the time to force the BIA to see his cases even though they bottle necked it, he out lived the judges and thus they got mineral rights to coal worth millions. Now there are Americans whose homes cost more and plenty of millionaires but thats an amazing amount of money for any Native people.
Hell I watched the Matoppani in Virginia lose their fish hackery to a water reservoir for NewPOrt News even when the entire community spoke on the side of the Native whites and black, arabs, etc all spoke for the Native people. The meeting had so many speakers for the tribes that they didn't have enough time to hear the other side. There wa sno other side. They just wanted to build water reservoir in the ost exspensive way humanly possible inorder to get the money for construction. why be cost efficient when the money is coming from the state? Well The Natives lost their river and that was in 2005.
People just don't hear about these issues. Before I made this site I had a page for Native People. I converted it to an anti-ar site because I thought that was more important. But before you speak about Native Americans do the research. They are lied about and ignored as Palestine and if you think it was all stuff from 100 years ago think again.
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NoFear
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:16 pm
Speaking out
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Eustace Mullins
a man who personally knew and worked with Benjamin Freedman and Myron Fagan , who exposed this conspiracy 45 years ago
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