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 Post subject: Bush doesn't have the balls to go to Iran
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:53 pm 
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Can you imagine our decider fielding questions from the ME press?

Hell, as it is, his advance teams have to pass out scripts and pre-select audiences in the US.

It's so embarassing, not to mention pathetic.

At least Bush and Ahmadinejad have one thing in common. They like gay bashing.

They could go out for drinks and re-enact scenes from abu-ghraib!

Democrats hang out on the sideline stumping for 08. I'm not sure what's worse.

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 Post Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:19 pm 
 
I don't think Ahmadinejad is a gay basher...
He says there is no homosexual phenomenon in Iran.
This is a matter of fact, not a matter of gay bashing.
You do not get gay pride parades in Iran.
You do not have gay celebrities.
Certain actions are not seen as gay, such as men holding hands, it is seen as normal.
As for homosexuals getting persecuted, I'm sure that its much more likely that their families come down hard on it rather than the government busting households with a homosexual in it.
And I doubt that the homosexuals that have been executed have been executed just for being homosexual. We are always told half the truth about Iran and you know that.


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 Post Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:21 pm 
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/\D/\]\/[ wrote:
I don't think Ahmadinejad is a gay basher...
He says there is no homosexual phenomenon in Iran.
This is a matter of fact, not a matter of gay bashing.
You do not get gay pride parades in Iran.
You do not have gay celebrities.
Certain actions are not seen as gay, such as men holding hands, it is seen as normal.
As for homosexuals getting persecuted, I'm sure that its much more likely that their families come down hard on it rather than the government busting households with a homosexual in it.
And I doubt that the homosexuals that have been executed have been executed just for being homosexual. We are always told half the truth about Iran and you know that.


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 Post Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:23 pm 
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When did Ahmedinejad bash gays? All he said was that the homsexual phenomenon in the West, does not exist in Iran. That's all.

Adam summed it up well.

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 Post Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:24 am 
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unfortunately it wont be based on balls but on a lack of brain cells that get us into Iran and he certainly lacks the brain cells.

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 Post Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:53 am 
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anyway he stated in his speech his a full time teacher so i dont think his the one in charge of finding out whos gay or not in the country..

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 Post Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:52 pm 
 
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AHMADINEJAD: In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country. We don't have that in our country. In Iran, we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have it.

But, as for women, maybe you think that being a woman is a crime. It's not a crime to be a woman. Women are the best creatures created by God. They represent the kindness, the beauty that God instills in them. Women are respected in Iran. In Iran, every family who is given a girl, they are 10 times happier than having a son. Women are respected more than men are.

They are exempt from many responsibilities. Many of the legal responsibilities rest on the shoulders of men in our society because of the respect, culturally given, to women, to the future mothers. In Iranian culture, men and sons and girls constantly kiss the hands of their mothers as a sign of respect, respect for women. And we are proud of this culture.


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Homosexuals :roll: there are bigger issues than this petty crap like america/israel striking Iran. look how america treats their gays, theres plenty of gay bashing going on...oh what? all of a sudden mainstream america cares for their gay people??? cmon lets be real well i guess we can all conclude that the media is stirring shit up agianst Iran(obviously) but im not paying attention to this stuff.

all this anti-iran talk benefits the this shameful administration.

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I've been re-framing dialogues like this(with less sarcasm), with many people over the last couple of days.

If you get caught up in it, you only feed it. I interrupt these dialogues by simply asking the question, do you think bush could even hang in Iran?

Conversations go from, "can you believe what he said about gays blah blah" and "...don't they hate us blah blah"....to...

"No kidding, you have to give the guy some credit for coming and opening himself up to a hostile audience."

That's a self-evident truth.

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