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Let's have it. This will be called the Evidence debate.

Any Illuminati theorist who would like to give us EVIDENCE of real people with real names being behind the war in Iraq or 911 is welcome to state their case and show us the evidence.

Renaming Zionists as illuminati people is not going to work. Show us non-zionists who took part in 911 and or the war in Iraq or Lebanon and how they are part of the illuminati.

This is going to be fun. I dont want a long history of what you think the illuminati is as there are already about 50 definitions. Just show us who did 911 who planned it and did it and how and show us who lied us into war with Iraq. And you have to show how it was the illuminati.

I will then give my theory that is was carried out by Zionists and give real names court cases and evidence to back that up.

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I have a feeling no one is going to show for this.

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awe bummer, I was hoping for someone to at least stand up for the nonsense they keep spouting off about...haha

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theres no such thing as illuminati people as such-

its basically an ideology in my opinion....-


it enmeshes zionist elitist ideology, neo-con straussian ideology, ancient elitist ideologies- perhaps preserved by aristocratic families, perhaps with cultish sects with rituals that come in many flavours and groups in the masonic orders- some more ideologically extreme that others, many of which are just social clubs...... but i wouldnt doubt that there are anti religious- or even people who worship the good of evil in thier eyes- that evil does ultimately benefit the world, so they engage in taboo, in direct contravention of the concept of god, to free their mind from faith and morality and engage in negative philosophic truths of realism over relativism, nature over rational truth, rule of strong over the weak, and devine right of brutality and tyranny to rule over shared national liberalism,

they craft control through deception and fear- a long running convention spanning back before the peloponssesion wars, between athens (a democratic nation) sparta (a nation ordained by the god, totalitarian, realist in perspective, and haters of relative philosophy)

to cut a long story short they believe its the fate of nature for power to seek power and that this will always be the case- and that to maintain the nation (or in the US's case the world) they must be above the law, reule through fear, nationaliism and religiosity independent of orthodoxy or fundementalism that seek relative morality......


so you give evil a chance, and peace and material interest prevails. for honor glory prestige respect distinction etc etc....

basically its like the ideology of the darkside of the force- like in starwars to make a crude analogy (sorry) the rule of the wise employs evil to prevent liberal decay...

but this instead is just really an orderly for of decay with a hierachical form of or order and control in that hands of oligarchic aristocrats that subvert democracy from within and demand self sacrifice for the glory of nation and god.....


wether theres satanism involved is a case of opinion- but i'm highly in favour that theres satanism going on as through the struassian zionistic ideologies its kinda justified...

world ecoomics is the flipside of the puzzle, and i would agree highly controlled by zionism, best place to start is the money masters, research on the banker jacob shiff, and the creation of israel, through thier deals with governments, the balfour declaration...

oh and i dont know if that bohemian grove stuff is true- i watched it- the rituals might not have any significance to those that were there, but the sort of things the liturgies lets call them were glorifying were very anti-moral in nature....

if that goes on but very much deeper in certain circles, its not hard to conclude it exists.....

if dick cheney and reagan and nixon and bushies go there then you can only connect dots, theres so much secrecy that it should be taken as it is without any so called "bonefied conspiracies" and paranoid pricks touting their usual bulshit....


point is does it matter if iluminati exist?

the age of the illumination as i looked at from wikipedia and else where, wuld make sence in the overall intellectual technology of international power mongers to increase their strategising fantasies and shaping of the world and its perceptions...

i dont think theres much we can do but maintain our sence or morality and rationality and hope that will bite the ultimate realists, decieves are corporate hedonists in the ass, and that some good will come of it- for now we are just witnesses to injustice and crime something perpetrated through these secret theological based societies/ prevailing elitist ideologies.

we will all die one day regardless- i say the biggest achievement we can go for is to extend a hand to those most suffering, and not succumb to bellicosity of the crafted status quo....

The question is not does an illuminati exist of course they do when you stretch the word to basically mean bad people and power seekers.

The challenge is, by using evidence and real names of actual people show how the illuminati is behind 911 and the War in Iraq.

Illuminati can not just mean "the elite" or "the greedy" that's commonssense, of course greedy power people did this, so what? That's a meaningless statement. It does nothing to offer who did what or how to prevent it.

I'm not seeing the Athiest cheering this war, I am seeing the Born Again Christians and fanatical Jews out there on the pro-Bush side of the protests. And as far as Satanics go, they would have to be Christians to even believe there was a devil existing to even worship and secondly unless you think they are secretly satanic but call themselves Christians, just who are these poeple let's have a name. Because I got a list of Neocons and not one of them is secular or a devil worshipper. They believe in their own warped version of god as did the Crusaders and the bigots that killed the Native Americans. They were not Devil Worshippers they were just bad Christians. (and that would include the Popes.)

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i think of illuminati like this

you have the enlightened and the illumined

illumination for me is like the opposite of enlightenment

an illumination come out of the dark (the darkness representing the cold truth of nature )

enlightenment is the revelation of the devine truth (a true god, or a highler spiritual truth)

to be illumined you dont have to believe in god- but it doesnt stop those with a so called understanding of the world, position, or material knowledge trying to imitate the qualities of god-

omnipresence, omniscience ect etc, they see it as thier devine right and role in the world as the powerful to rule over the weak or vulgar masses...



i dont know if any of the topmost neo-cons worship the devil- maybe willam kristol and irving kristol or staussian dicipals-

why do i say that- becuase its the struassian ideology as passed from leo struass that people (gentlemen) like bush are ripe for manipulation of thier noble position, honor and prestige and sought after distinction...

now if you got smart people in the bush admin who have a very acedemic view of good and evil and their struassin branded truth of it, then i wouldnt see it as hard that the ones that are inclined not to be atheist, are not going to be followers of god seeing the shit they do- so it would be easier for them to celebrate evil and engage morally taboo things......

we obviously know nothing about their personal live- what sort of activities can these most unscrupulous of people get up to- what do they do to amuse themselves- they are like the worlds most immoral people and the straussian doctrine justifies it-

so if theres any satanic elements involved in any facet of power politics or power aristocracies whats to stop such people adopting the struassian ideology (which is popular) and that is conducive to satanic principals,

its not like struass was ever against the control of religiosity over people- religiosity cant exist for such immoral people unless it has some satanic pricipals involved....



the way i describe it heer is like how scientists can say what a atom looks like even though theres no microscope that can actually see a physical atom, but people delineate and accept on faith an atom is what scientists say it is.......

i'm no authority on anything- i'm too smart to wallow in that shit...



look at my post here on my perspective of the hijacking of religiosity for neo-con purposes...

http://www.the-magicbox.com/forums/showthread.php?p=334308#post334308

the arab brand of islamic religion is perfectly acceptable for one... one day they will become the christian right of the middle east...

I'm not certain how familliar the members on this board are with the work of Myron C. Fagan, the man who started all of this talk about the Illuminati in the 1960's. Any debate on this topic should start by examining Fagan's original recordings exposing the Illuminati/CFR.

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K that's your speculation about Satan.

Now, Kristol and the other Jews who run the CFR are all admitted and open Zionists. I can give you countless refferences to their veiws on Israel.

Who wrote PNAC? The same people who wrote the Israeli Clean Break papers.

PNAC was first written in Israel. It was Paul Wolowittz, Richard Perle, Lewis Libby, Douglas Feith, Bill Kristal (CFR) and Elliot Abrams (CFR) Aaron Friedberg also (CFR) Donald Kagan (CFR) Stephen Rosen (the AIPAC employee caught spying on the US!!) All Zionists and all Jewish. That's not anti-Semetic it's just the truth and what that means is they have dual citizenship and put the another nation's interests ahead of the US.

It's not "the devil" Its Zionist Judaism. It's not a secret, you don't have to speculate. They all opnely admit that they are Zionists and their track record speaks for itself. I mean come on they wrote the paper calling for Greater Israel. These people are leading the Zionist movement. You can't get any more Zionists than that. Oh and Add to that People like Rosen of APIC Israel's largest lobby being a PNAC author and getting caught spying on the US for Israel. Can the picture be made any more clear now that you are looking at Evidence instead of wild speculations?

I have plenty of other evidence to prove how the Zionist took us to war in Iraq and how the Israeli Mossad was part of the patsie frame up and how and when they were in the towers on 911.

But I will hold off until I hear the rest of this illuminati junk.

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