Anti-Neocons

I always found it rather smug to say "there is no God", not BELIEVING is something entirely different but even then your saying that in the infiniteness of time and space (and whatever else there is) that you GENUINELY don't believe in some type of a creating force that one would call "God"? I just feel better myself leaving the notion open for my lifetime

The O.T.O. refer to themselves as the Illuminati on their own official websites so it does exist: http://oto-usa.org/history.html

_________________
"A higher level of cannabinoid activity in the human biochemical distribution in the biosphere may be necessary to prevent human extinction" - Dr. Robert Melamede, PhD

I think people are flooding sites with disinformation to discredit them. I get it suddenly all the time people sending me mail saying there will be an attack bla bla bla and it is all these new people and all saying the same things. It is so obvious that it is cointel pro slipping info to tools who slip it to me. I just ignore it.

If they were smart they would pick up on it and ignore those kooks. You can't imagine how many tards try to get me to talk about the black pope or the Illuminati and stupid shit like that. It is just like the space alien idiots totally discredited the news about area 51. You can't even mention area 51 any more without people assuming you are one of those space alien kooks.

This is what is going on. That is why rather than just ignoring these stupid "theories" I have engaged them and dragged them out to the wood shed for a beat down from reason and logic. These people are pure disinfo and tools of disinfo they can't back up anything they say. Just look at our Illuminati thread I have owned those kooks. The 911 PNAC post the sticky in the 911 section is solid based of facts and deals with real people and things your can prove and demonstrate but it has nowhere near the promotion as these other kooky 911 "truth" "theories".

Look at how fast that stupid laser beams from space shit hit the web all at once on one day. This shit is organized by an intelligence agency. And they are scared to death of us.

The Catholic Church like ANY church invests in defense industries and profiteers but that is about as far as it goes they are not at the helm.

_________________
END THE GOD DAMN WARS
This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-dealcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else.
My Twitter
"It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it or see it.
Would Israel still blame it on Iran?"-Ry Dawson

Google version of War by Deception (Magic Bunnies)
Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed



ry ryan dawson author politics political antineocon anti-neocon antineocons anti-neocons raising the volume of peace - news the media is paid not to tell you how they blep you

i'd just like to say that Ry is, as far as I have read his theories and thoughts, is definitley on the right track. I've been through all the illuminati stuff, and even alien stuff. It's just too much, it's actually quite laughble at times.
In fact, before I even started reading about the 'illumianti' etc., I knew basically what freemasonry was. In fact, A LOT of people I know, and probably most half-smart people have heard of freemasonry. Two of my teachers at school were freemasons. One of my friends' dads is a freemason. The interesting thing that links these three people is that they are all PROTESTANT, PRO-BRITISH, ROYALIST types. One of them is in the navy, and one of them has proudly announced his love of the royalty and he is Northern Irish. In other words if you know anything about modern Northern Irish and even Scottish history and culture, you would know that it is CATHOLICS who were being oppressed. Indeed, it has always been well-accepted that freemasonry was not an organisation real Catholics are allowed to belong to, at least this is what my father and many other people have told me. It is so obvious that the vast majority of freemasons in Britain tend to be very Pro-British, and verging on bigoted. Indeed these 3 freemasons all support a Scottish soccer team known as Rangers, who are from Glasgow. Rangers, and their Glasgow rivals Celtic (which was originally formed by a Catholic priest in 1888 to help the starving poor Irish immigrants who were moving to in to Scotland due to the Irish famine), is one of the things which helped fuel the protestant-catholic hatred. It is Rangers who have been well-documented in the past to not even allowed Catholic players to sign with the club.
This background on these football teams is very important if you want to understand how so much hatred has developed, but also why it is important that these freemasons I am telling you about are PROTESTANT, pro British and very much protective of the British empire.
Indeed, one of the biggest anti-zionists George Galloway is a Scottish Catholic and he will tell you about these things, and the oppression of Catholics. It is probably this opression that has helped him and many others identify with the Palestinian cause.
What im saying is that Catholics would never ever have thought about joining freemasonic organisations, and the religion does not allow it. It has also been associated with a very anti-catholic movement. If you have ever heard about MI6 helping fund Irish terrorism(not well-known but I believe it to be true), then it explains why a lot of the religious violence and bigotry between catholic and protestants in Ireland and Scotland was allowed to go on in order to fuel terrorism, to make tighter laws etc. Divide and rule. read about how the British army shot young innocent cilvilians on Bloody Sunday - do a google search, if you don't know.
What i want to show is that Catholics are not involved with freemasonry at all, especially in the UK. Didn't the pope declare it wrong for a Catholic to join a freemasonic organisation?
I know first-hand that freemasonry is very pro-Protestant. i know that my father who has Catholic background with Irish roots, has never ever thought of freemasonry as something that any catholic would want to be associated with. Indeed he knows too well how badly catholics had been treated, and in fairly recent times.
To top it off - if you ask most people if they have ever heard of freemasons, a large number will say yes. However, when I ask people if they know what Zionism is, most willl shrug and basically say no, and so I would have to explain it to them. what I am saying is that many many know basically what freemasonry is, but not a lot of people understand what Zionism is from my experience. Indeed, if you don't understand what Zionism is how can you ever begin to understand some of the evil that is taking place right now? That's why it's a lot easier for people to blame the illuminati or freemasons.
Freemasonry, while not good at all IMO, is still something that gets reference on Zionist-controlled channels e.g. 'the stone cutters' episode of the Simpsons. there are huge movies which mention 'illuminati'e.g. Tomb Raider. These are just fictional shows, and there are better examples, but i'm just showing that secret organisations get MAINSTREAM exposure which is not very secretive. You will never see a mainstream TV show talking about Zionism, unless it is being linked to anti-semitism.
Freemasonry may play a part in the terrible things which happen, but they are not masterminds and as far as I'm concerned never will be. Money is the king in today's society, and if you have got money you have got power and put simply you don't have to take shit from anyone. Zionists or pro-Zionist have a lot of money and control the media. it's really very simple.

_________________
our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

www.bebo.com/therevolution-group

The Rothschilds are the Vatican's bankers, Ry. It's a fact. Even the Jewish Encyclopedia says it.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl171.htm


And look at this. Amschel Rothschild, house of Frankfrut, Mayer Amschel's son.


It's a knight of malta cross. A cross of a Roman Masonic order!!!
We know who they take their orders from.

_________________
Buck the neocons. Fuck 'em too.

That article does not at all suggest that the Vatican is controlling the Rothschilds. Indeed, it says that the Rothschilds still hold the most money, therefore they hold the most power. They are not serving anyone, and do not need to as long as they are the most powerful banking family, with the MONEY that yields power.

Note it says "contributes to the ROTHSCHILD power." That article states that the true wealth and power lies with the Rothschilds, and that they have control over the Vatican funds indirectly, as they and other bankers have control over all of our funds now. "second only to the Rothschilds' in wealth and power."
Indeed, many of these ridiculous Vatican theories claim that the Vatican rulers want to create anti-semitism through zionism. But that is totally ridiculous and just typical of the crap that the Vatican theories suggest. Everyone knows that the media portrays a total bias towards Jewish Zionist interests, and that a lot of anti-Israeli sentiment is portrayed as anti-semitic. Most people are not anti-semitic and hate racism, therefore portraying certain critics of Israeli power as anti-semitic does nothing, as it only deters people from being critical of Israel for the fear of being labelled anti-semitic.
I would also like to see more evidence that Amschel Rothschild was a Knight of Malta, and more importantly how this links to the Vatican before you actually jump to ridiculous conclusions. Not just some old painting, from many many years ago.
However, I will admit there certainly are certianly links between masonic lodges and the government of Italy. Italy does seem to be very corrupt. According to a November 18, 1990 article by The Observer, quoted by Statewatch, "Declassified secret service papers reveal that Ted Shackley, deputy chief of the CIA station in Rome in the 1970’s introduced the notorious Licio Gelli – head of the neo-fascist P2 masonic lodge and for years a fugitive in Argentina – to General Alexander Haig, then Nixon's chief of staff, and later, from 1974 to 1979, NATO Supreme Commander. P2 was a right-wing shadow government, ready to take over Italy, that included four Cabinet Ministers, all three intelligence chiefs, 48 MPs, 160 military officers, bankers, industrialists, top dipomats and the Army Chief of Staff. After meetings between Gelli, Italian military brass and CIA men in the embassy, Gladio was given renewed blessing – and more money – by Haig and the then head of the U.S. National Security Council, Henry Kissinger. Just how those and later funds were spent is a key point in the [Casson] investigations."
Indeed, things like Operation Gladio and Silvio Berlusconi (Italian Prime Minister from 11 June 2001 – 17 May 2006, and former P2 lodge member), do show connections between the western governmental and financial and Italian corrupt power made through masonic lodges. However, until someone can point out the evidence that shows these corrupt people are serving the Vatican, I cannot accept the theory. Indeed it appears that Italian government and possibly the Vatican or its bank has been hijacked by people who are actually helping the zionist cause, probably purely for greed.
I'd like to hear what Ry has to say on this side. Secret lodges to appear to be quite prominent in Italy still with Italian government links and links to other western govenrments via Gladio and other affairs. In factim surprised you illuminati, vatican theorists haven't even talked about this in any detail??!

_________________
our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

www.bebo.com/therevolution-group

Why would any Rothschild wear a Maltese Cross?

Answer: They are subordinate to someone. You don't wear a maltese cross unless you are part of that group and are a papal knight.

_________________
Buck the neocons. Fuck 'em too.

this is a bold claim. OK... let's say it is true. Why don't you give some evidence that the Rothschilds of today are 'papal knights', other than one sentence from a Jewish Encyclopedia. Why don't you give some evidence that the Jesuit order is controlling the illuminati and zionists etc. There is little evidence to even support the claim that illuminati or freemasonry is exerting control over us. at the very most, there are probably some secret societies of which there are certain poweful members, and they may even use them to help recruit others or influence matters.
However, one cannot deny that the MIC and zionist influence in the US is there. There is certainly enough hard evidence to make that claim. Most evidence for the Jesuit take-over are based on quotes from many, many years ago. when it comes to trying to prove theur influence today, there is very little solid evidence to prove this. However, the influence of the P2 lodge in Italian politics does surprise me, so this can support your claim. However beyond that it is still very difficult to prove the pope or the Jesuits led by the Black pope, is directing this.
It is easy to prove that the US is going downhill, and a lot of it is to do with US and religious funding for Israel. Also the inflitration of the US government by Zionists, dual citizens of Israel and pro-zionists is obvious. Ths US is their most important weapon, 'they' being the real controllers. That is what is important. Without the power and influence over the US, and of course Israeli, and the media of these countries, the people would not be led into such a disastrous state of affairs.
To the average person trying to convince them that the Vatican or Jesuits are ruling us is just not going to work. However, one can easily present a case with the most evidence that leads to Israel and the MIC, the Fed etc...and although by your theory or any other, these people may not be at thevery top, it is these people which are easy to expose because of tangible evidence, and it's this level that allows huge control over people's lives.
Who knows... if these people are exposed it may lead to a trail of people higher up, and maybe some unknown faces. There is no point talking about Black Pope at this time... I just can't accept it, and even if it is true, the vast majority of people won't accept it as it is obviously something which has been kept very very secret for a long time, and their power to cover it up is too great. By exposing the MIC, the Zionists, the corrupt religious institutions and the controlled media, we can actually show people and let the SEE the state we are in, and exposing these is exposing their most dangerous weapons.

_________________
our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

www.bebo.com/therevolution-group

and another thing...
The UK obviously has a significant part to play in this conspiracy(MI6). If we believe some of the ridiculous theories being thrown around , the Royal families and the masons are exerting massive influence. There is one problem with this theory. If this is a stage being orchestrated by Jesuits, then explain why Catholics have not been prominent in Britian for hundreds of years! Catholics got treated like shit the last few centuries in Britain, which is a PROTESTANT nation. i just find the idea that there are Catholics that are controlling Britian totally and utterly ludicrous, especially knowing Britain as well as I do having lived here all my life. Being raised a Catholic is something which gives a me a bit of insight in to these matters. it may not make me the leading authority, but still counts for something.
I do personally think that masons, from my own experience here in the UK and from what I've heard, to be prominent in UK society. There is a concensus that they make up a significant part of the police force and judicial system, and I do think that it happens. However, I do not believe that it is what controls society here, merely what those at the top use, or rather encourage, in order for them to exert influence and control over the masons to get them to do what they want them to do, and manipulate situations in general. Like, if you know that a mason has been up to something, if you are in a positiion of power you could use that to blackmail them, and so you can manipulate them. Or simply give them money to do what you want them to do.
another thing is that the Orange Order which is basically similar to freemasonry: "The Orange Institution, more commonly known as the Orange Order, is a Protestant fraternal organisation based predominantly in Northern Ireland and Scotland with lodges throughout the Commonwealth and the United States. It was founded in Loughgall, County Armagh, Ireland in 1795; its name is a tribute to Dutch-born Protestant king of England, William III, of the House of Orange-Nassau. William had defeated the Catholic army of James II at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690."
It has also been linked to the KKK, as I think (i'll need to check but i'm preety sure), the group of people who started it are the same. Indeed, it's all pretty much anti-Catholic, and in Britian seen as Unionist and very pro-Royalist etc, as is much of the masonic orders in the UK. If the Catholics are ruling Britian, that would be one of the craziest things ever if you have read the history of it, and if you have lived here and heard the stories. If anything the hatred created in Northern Ireland and other parts of Britain between Protestants and Catholics, and more particularly against Catholics, is something that was by design. But not what a jesuit or Catholic would design, since catholics were losing out. It is well-documented that Catholics were even losing out on jobs simply for being Catholic! And no I don't mean a hundred years ago! The IRA and other terrorist groups was what the UK government wanted because, it gave us the equivalent of your WTC 1993 or Oklahoma etc...., and thus gave them excuse to tighten laws.

sorry, but i think aliens are more likely lol

_________________
our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

www.bebo.com/therevolution-group

There are PLENTY of bad things I can say about the Catholic Church or any Church really. But claiming they secretly control the world if fucking stupid and baseless. These kooks never have ANY evidence the best things they can come up with are silly symbologys and sometime numerological tripe.

look Zionists wrote PNAC's papers and those were 100% verbatim the pretexts used to start a war with Iraq. AIPAC was caught spying on the uS and one of the spies was also part of the NIger FOrgeries which was also used to start the war.

What did the Catholic leadership do at this time? Nothing they did what they always do, rip off poor people and have sex with little kids.

_________________
END THE GOD DAMN WARS
This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-dealcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else.
My Twitter
"It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it or see it.
Would Israel still blame it on Iran?"-Ry Dawson

Google version of War by Deception (Magic Bunnies)
Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed



ry ryan dawson author politics political antineocon anti-neocon antineocons anti-neocons raising the volume of peace - news the media is paid not to tell you how they blep you

ry i know you hate catholicism or religion in general, and i would have to agree with you. it's a waste of time and money. But i'd also say saying ALL religious people are greedy and molest kids is not gonna necessarily help your cause. I was just making the point that these idiots keeps saying that Catholics are controlling everything and therefore Catholics would have to rule the UK. I was just saying I know that definitley is not the case, as protestantism is the main religion in the UK, and Catholicism was for many years deemed wrong or evil by the large majority of British people and this prejudice still continues (to a far lesser degree) against Catholics because of this. It just wouldn';t make sense that's all I was saying.

_________________
our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

www.bebo.com/therevolution-group

I don't see why anyone would want to be associated with an organization that obviously includes child molestation as a theme.

_________________
Is your view of the world in sync with what you 'know' about the world?

That would cover both the Catholic Church and ISrael then as Israel's president was charged with multiple RAPES and many of these neocons are caught with little boys some Catholic like Foley some not. I hate the Church but the poibnt is as nasty as they are they were not behind the war with Iraq (they actually opposed it) or 911 the Zionist were and I can back that up with EVIDENCE the Jesuit crap is just that pure crap mostly from WASP.

_________________
END THE GOD DAMN WARS
This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-dealcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else.
My Twitter
"It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it or see it.
Would Israel still blame it on Iran?"-Ry Dawson

Google version of War by Deception (Magic Bunnies)
Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed



ry ryan dawson author politics political antineocon anti-neocon antineocons anti-neocons raising the volume of peace - news the media is paid not to tell you how they blep you

i don't believe that many people were aware of the child molestation in the Catholic church until it was splashed all over the media. In other words i don't think a lot of people realised that it was there or didn't realise it was common. Therefore a lot of religious people have been totally conned - i don't think when you join a church they say - 'oh you do know we molest kids'.... plus a lot of people are brought up with a religion therefore they don't question it until later on in life.

_________________
our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

www.bebo.com/therevolution-group

Still everyone knows about the Catholic Church and its molestations, few people know squat about the president of Israel being a rapist. I mean the president of Iran is called a lunatic for what, for saying things that are not PC? But Israel's president can rape 4 different women and that's not even a story.

_________________
The original anti-neocon

END THE GOD DAMN WARS

I was listening to a podcast on RBN, and this guy called in talking about how Ahmedinejad was the anti-christ.

Like wtf has this guy actually done to garner that much hatred? Makes no sense.

_________________

duh. he wants to destroy the promised land!

_________________
our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

www.bebo.com/therevolution-group

He is controlled opposition. Don't be fooled by his utterance of truths about Zionism.

The Coming Shakedown of the US and Iran

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
March 30, 2007



The pictures of Bush and Ahmadinejad giving the satanic "goat's head" sign suggest Iranians are as ignorant as Americans of their President's true loyalty. Illuminati defector Leo Zagami recently called Ahmaninejad a "well known Satanist with no real connection to Islam" and the Iraq-Iran-Israel conflict a "foreign intelligence show." He remarked that the Iranian President awarded the officer who captured the British sailors a Masonic 3-kiss embrace. But Zagami thinks Iran's purpose is to be a long-term bogey man like the USSR, and it will NOT be attacked.

David Icke received the shocking picture of Ahmadinejad from an aghast Iranian. "What's going on? This doesn't have anything to do with Islam!" he exlaimed.

In his exclusive newsletter, Icke recently wrote that Ahmadinehad seems to be playing the Illuminati game: "The propaganda war against Iran really picked up after the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as President of the Islamic Republic in 2005. After he took office in the August he was soon making speeches that the American propagandists and spinners must have dreamed of. I cannot believe this was a fortuitous coincidence. He defeated the one-time favourite, the former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani whose reputation and record would have made it almost impossible to demonise Iran as a threat to America or anyone else."

Icke continued: "Mehdi Karroubi, a Reformist candidate seeking to open Iranian society and oppose the extremes of hardline Islam, finished a good third in the first round of voting. He then alleged that a network of mosques, the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps and Basij militia forces had illegally generated support for Ahmadinejad and specifically named Mojtaba Khamenei, a son of the Supreme Leader Ayatolla Khamenei, as being involved in this election fraud. The Ayatollah told Karroubi that the allegations were below his dignity and he would not allow the crisis in Iran that they could cause. Karroubi wrote back, resigning from all his political posts and some Reformist newspapers were stopped from publication for publishing Karroubi's letter."


Finally Icke says: "British and American military intelligence ousted Prime Minister Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 in a CIA-planned coup called Operation Ajax; imposed the vicious Shah of Iran as a dictator; and then removed him for the Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979. Why would the same forces not continue to be involved in election manipulation in Iran when they so badly needed Ahmadinejad to defeat Rafsanjani for their 'Axis of Evil' plan to work?"

On the domestic front, an example of the Illuminati "dialectic" at work is Rosie O'Donnell's recent pronouncements on 9-11. The Lesbian poster child sounds like Alex Jones. Her function is to cast the opposition in the mold of the 1960's anti-war movement, focusing blame on Bush and "the government" instead of the long-term international conspiracy ultimately responsible.

You also see Brzezinski saying the war on terror "has undermined democracy" in the banker-owned Washington Post! That's pretty funny coming from one of the architects of this policy. He is trying to distance himself and his Rothschild-Rockefeller sponsors from their handiwork.

Meanwhile Democrats in Congress try to placate an angry electorate with timetables for withdrawal. This is a diversion. Democracy is a charade. The US will never willingly withdraw from Iraq. The US is the Illuminati's goon.


CONCLUSION


If the Illuminati have so much power, why don't they just proclaim their world dictatorship now? It's the process which is both incredibly profitable and necessary. Humanity must be gradually transformed so it sees its slavery as freedom: normal, natural and welcome.

It's best to see war as the Illuminati's cement mixer. They just throw everything in (people, cultures, religions) break and mix and then reset in their own mold. They call it "creating order out of chaos" but first they create chaos.

_________________
Buck the neocons. Fuck 'em too.