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Liszt
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:43 am |
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| King Cnut |
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Joined: Apr 1st, 2007 Posts: 2583
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"I hope to change that."
Are you a teacher? One of my brothers is a school teacher. I teach piano and guitar.
John Taylor Gatto, former 3 times NY teacher of the year, has some brilliant things to say on this subject
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto
In my book, I have him as the best choice for the position of US President. I hope he doesn´t mind.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:23 am |
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| Anti-Zionist princess |
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Joined: Jan 1st, 2007 Posts: 9718 Location: USA
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Nice to hear about you and your brother.
I think we are getting off topic though. 
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Post subject: Re: Invisible Ocean (where did we all come from ) answered. Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:57 am |
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This was one of the first things I read by you.
Clipped out parts, but the entire read is on the first page.
Ry wrote: Matter is eternal. The big Bang is the start of measurable time only but not existence. Organized religoins do not go very far with even a drop of skepticism or critical thinking. They must rely heavily on faith because there is no other way to convince people with reason how they could possibly be true. One with an open mind, does not have to look far to see the inconsistencies, tragedies, mistakes, shortcomings, and often laughable absurdities in each. Most people claim to be a 'such and such', but with a little questioning one discovers that they actually have a personalized god that they reformed from the religion they were brought up to believe. For example a lot of Catholics I know are actually Protestants because they don’t believe in the Pope. They merely call themselves Catholics because that’s what their parents told them they were. Apparently they didn’t give it much thought. Likewise most Protestants can not even tell you what separates their sect from another Protestant sect. Sure some can, but it is still interesting how little investigation goes into religious thought for many. Now, why is nothingness assumed as the default setting? Is it because religious texts say 'in the beginning all was void'? Somethingness and nothingness do not have to come from each other. (in fact they logically could not) Each has equal claim to always being. In fact, because one can not come from the other, existence has always been. One can ask, where does nothingness come from? People seem to think that nothingness doesn't have to come from anything, that it just always is. But is it not equally as reasonable to ask how nothingness was made from somethingness, as it is to ask the reverse? For somthingness to come from a previous something, the previous something would be part of the continued existence of existence thus just as nothingness does not come from nothingness, nothingness just is, somethingness does not have to come from something it just is as well. The difference and the confusion lies in that somethingness can change. As a 'new' something comes from a previous something, this is a measure of change we call this time. Existence does not ‘come from’ existence; existence is what is, it is being. Time is a measure of change within the being but not a measure of being itself. All measurements are parts of infinity, like all numbers are parts of a possible infinity. Nothingness simply remains nothing and somethingness, though it can change, always remains not nothing i.e. somethingness. Therefore you either believe in the eternity of nothingness or somethingness or both. Unless you make up a god and say it made either the nothing or the something, but even a god can not have neither. The god idea however is not necessary, at least not for that reason. The only religion around it might be Pantheism which holds that the somethingness is god. But to be realistic my audience is mainly moderate Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The past is not real, that is, it does not exist, only our memories exist. This moment, right now, is all that is actual. The present is eternal in existence. Time does not exist outside of existence. Time is the measure of change in objects from one point in the now to another point in the now. But really, time is some concept out of the memory. Time applies to changes but not to existence. For every action there is a thing doing the act. The action cannot predate the things. There is no time until there is existence. There are no changes until there are things to be changing. So you see there is no such thing as before existence if it has always been. It's like saying what was nothing before it was nothing. The answer is simply still nothing. So the answer what was before the big bang? Well everything was. "What was everything doing?" Is a better question. When you say the word was do you mean what happend i.e. events or what existed i.e. subjects. And there can be no events without subjects. So there is no before existence.  And there was light...
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:09 am |
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Quote: oh yes. Gravity doesn´t exist at quantum level. Also, the speed of light is not the limit. For example, both gravitational waves and the connection between correlated particles, which has been proven by the delayed choice experiments, is instantaneus, over huge distances.
Liszt what are you talking about.  Gravity is not waves it's the very fabric of space itself. It does not have to travel so it is not faster than light. It's like darkness darkness does not have to travel it is just the default settine when light is removed.
If there is a curve in space because of gravity then it is already there. Gravity does not have to race from some central source as a wave and gthen grab things and pull them to itself. Its like a skate board ramp (or a bowling ball on a trampoline, mass bends space [space equals trampoline surface]) the ramp does not have to race ahead of the board and make it curve the ramp is already there and the board curves because it has to, just like a line drawn across a paper has to bend if I bend the paper, the whole line bends at once.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:14 pm |
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| Anti-Zionist princess |
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Joined: Jan 1st, 2007 Posts: 9718 Location: USA
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Gravity is not waves it's the very fabric of space itself.
This is a bit misleading. Gravity is a force on space time.
First lets define gravitational force between objects:
G: gravitational constant
m1: is the first mass
m2: is the second mass
r: is the distance between the objects
Space is not empty but is in fact a fabric or medium that propagates magnetic fields and electromagnetic waves (likely where you got the idea of waves Liszt, but what you said is still wrong as define above). Space is not matter in the sense that it is not composed of particles. Matter is a four dimensional wave form. Height, width, depth and time. Matter has no real existence apart from it's wave form. Everything acts as particles and waves. That is why my SN is (Phys1905) that is the year Einstein showed that light also is a particle a photon. The fabric of space-time is warped by this gravitional force but it curves it in all d-space not just in 3d. Black holes punch holes in the fabric of space-time.
Very cool stuff.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:00 pm |
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I think since you are not an Agnostic or have a personal God, you seriously misrepresent their beliefs in your argument. Now other people may have pointed this out, i haven't really read the above posts but let me give you my perspective being an Agnostic/having personalized God.
I do believe somewhat that all religions worship the same God, I am monotheistic, BUT i do not believe that worshiping multiple gods is a hole in the arguement. It could just be different aspects of the same God. Plus I do not believe it to be important. So what, that is just my OPINION. I make no claims to know "the truth"i have a Loving, Caring Higher Power, that i choose to call God. I do not need any religous dogmas to tell me how to worship or anything at all spiritually.
Where we come from is not an important question to me AT ALL.
it doesn't really matter. God could have created the spark of life that science would claim we came from. Science does not contradict any of my beliefs. Nor does it really prove anything. I don't believe anyone needs to believe any certain things, i don't force my beliefs on others.
I just know what helps me in my life, so i practice how i choose.
i would write a lot more, and a stronger arguement but i am late for work!
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:39 pm |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31719 Location: Japan
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you're right you didn't read it.
no science arguement was made only philosophy and I didn't event a definition for Agnostics I just used their own.
As for addressing people who made up their own religion or just decided that all the god were the same and of course its their god lol that's not worth my time. It's like explaining why I don't believe in leprocons.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:00 pm |
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| Anti-Zionist princess |
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Joined: Jan 1st, 2007 Posts: 9718 Location: USA
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 This is still good.
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:48 am |
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Science is not boring. Science is interesting, its made boring by schools. Science is naturally interesting. But for stupid people science is beyond their reach and fantasy is more appealing.
_________________ This site is against war, Zionism, (or any other form of racism), profiteering, and all forms of government corruption, mass media deception, and cover ups. This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey. Take that junk somewhere else. My Twitter "It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do that defines us." Batman Google version of War by Deception Pass HR 1207 and S604 audit the Fed
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