Anti-Neocons

wow great article, thanks for posting it



Pat Robertson claimed that there are 600 million christian zionists world wide!!

Christian Zionists are like zombies, no amount of logical debates will change the majority of them

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We must become the change we want to see in the world.

The only devils in the world are those running around in our own hearts - that is where the battle should be fought.

Retaliation is counter-poison and poison breeds more poison. The nectar of Love alone can destroy the poison of hate.


~ Mahatma Gandhi

Christians that dont give money to Israel and arent zionist are normally one of the following:

- Are racist. Like the neo-Nazi groups

- Not dogmatic, or fanatic about their beliefs (just call themselves christian for whatever reason)

- Methodist which most Native American are or nondominational


There is a program that used to come on tv every Saturday now every night called Israel News. I live in Texas and xtains here kiss Israel's ass and plan big trips to Israel as if to make a pilgrimage. Im skeptical of most hardcore xtains myself. To each is own.

I do mean Methdoist. I know there is different types of Methodist, but I may be wrong.

Do you have the source your citing?


Like I said from the above post, I m skeptical of most xtain period.

funding (another source):

http://www.fas.org/man/crs/IB85066.pdf

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(some Christian groups)

http://www.c4israel.org/

http://christianactionforisrael.org/czionism.html

The Bible commands us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm
122:6), to speak out for Zion’s sake (Isaiah 62:1) to be watchmen on
the walls of Jerusalem (Isaiah 62:6) and to bless the Jewish people
(Genesis 12:3). These and so many other verses of the Bible have one
overriding message – as Christians we have a Biblical obligation to
defend Israel and the Jewish people in their time of need.

http://christianactionforisrael.org/


Charitable Aid

Private donations to American charities initially constituted one
quarter of Israel’s budget. Today, it is estimated that these
tax-deductible donations exceed $1.5 billion per year. The ability of
Americans to make what amounts to tax deductible contributions to a
foreign government does not exist for any other country.

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factshe ... Israel.htm


In return Israel rewards x-tain's this way,

Desecration of Christian property and churches—arson, window breaking,
burning of the New Testament—had long marred relations between the two communities. A small but fanatical group of Jews wanted no Christians, whom they considered fallen Jews, in Israel. This virulent strain of prejudice had been present since before the Jewish state was founded.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ ... tians.html

Worst offenders:

-Baptist aka "born again" aka "evangelicals"
-Church of Christ
-Catholic

Didnt find Methodist as a singlar %

they do make a distinction between "white" catholic and south american catholic...it seems that south american dont love "israel" as much as american and people from the uk.

No kidding that's because the Roman Catholic Vatican doesn't give a shit about Israel, its just using Israel like it always has.


They stir up more wars for Israel and inside Israel than Israel itself could ever hope to stir up.


They meaning the Knights of Malta including many Catholics, share an unfiltered view of hatred for those people. They are using Israel to make unconditional profits, and kill them all in the end that's what they care about really.


The Vatican is the only place, besides the Vatican Square in Israel- where you can bring Jews of any denomination and insult them or curse them & throw them away into a jail cell.


They have no rights there in front of the Vatican. They are not equals at all, they have no distinction from being Chosen people or anything else, and are treated as absolute shit.


The Vatican then has the right to remove who is not doing its bidding in Israel. Israel & Turkey are controlled states.

They are controlled by the same MIC that controls these wars, by the same racist fanatics who don't give a crap about them all and just use them for their genocidal wars.

That was a lot of mostly good points. If it touched on a Christian needing some reference for any doctrine has to start with something from the NT to even have some form of outline. If it is from the Gospels (rather than the Epistles) so much the better. I may have missed seeing any since it was a speed read. I would need some sort of verse that has a Christian using the OT as a foundation for any concept at all, let alone a future event.
The effect on the original article is that the NT doesn't even come close to stating what that verse from Genesis promotes.

Maybe what the Jews are missing (even today) is that they might not be the best choice for who should be in charge of the really important things. (bad things happen to them when those things are mismanaged) If money is a concern then they should let Arabs run the politics of the land. The financial support from oil-rich neighbors could be even higher than for Kuwait per person. That would leave the Jews time to do other things (like the service industry in said country) more inline with worship. For what they get through donations (extortion being one such source) today their income would probably jump with nobody suffering from that change. The Arabs would have an united area, a very rich one at that if oil remained as popular as it is today.

It is one thing to remove a hostile government and put them on fence-posts as a reminder to future governments that their conduct effects their whole family. Or you could give them a dust-pan and some cash for using the dust-pan that allowed for recreation rather than running the corporation 24/7.

Some form of change would even have more chance of success is the current leaders would admit things have not gone all that well for everybody on that particular land and just quit all on their own.
I don't have any hope in that ever happening. In for an inch in for a mile.

Always remember folks I think it's safe to say we can include Chuck Baldwin in this camp. He might not write against Zionism but he's against EVERYTHING they stand for.