Anti-Neocons

Why? Would you believe in religion if your religion only asserted morality with out the promise of an afterlife?

We are like butterflies who flutter for a day and think it's forever.

My introduction to religion was through my parents who brought me to church and raised me a Catholic. I left the church when I became an adult because I didn't believe their promises anymore. I didn't believe that I would be sent to Hell if I sinned, or to Heaven if I was remorseful and asked for forgiveness.

My view on God and "the divine" changed and I do indeed believe in an afterlife. I have seen enough evidence and felt "close" enough to the divine in order to believe there is an unseen world that is all around us. I have a more neutral approach to whatever God really is.

If people really believe this, then why do they torture the sick with treatment? What kind of existence is that? Never mind the obvious question: why did god make them ill to begin with? If there is a god, then god is evil.

Everyone wants eternal life because we all fear our own death so much so that we deal with everyday existence. That reminds me of the scene in Hamlet.

HAMLET:
To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.--Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.

I love fairytales but afterlife doesnt jive with reason and I cant just do away with reason.

Because it's part of my religion, and because I don't believe that death can be the end of everything, with all the evidence to the contrary.



Yes, because I think I'd still believe in an afterlife, even if my religion made no promises of one.

Because it's part of my religion, and because I don't believe that death can be the end of everything, with all the evidence to the contrary.

What evidence?

Yes, because I think I'd still believe in an afterlife, even if my religion made no promises of one.

This is circular reasoning, but how would you become aware of this afterlife if not through religion?

I wish I could believe in an afterlife.

I wish there was something that could be called afterlife.
But there is no evidence for an afterlife and definitely not enough speculation to give me hope of one.
And the material that offers this speculation is so riddled with oppression and mental weakness that I want no part of them.

I want to live forever. At least, right now I do. Maybe I'll change my mind some day.

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Is your view of the world in sync with what you 'know' about the world?

"The state breaks everything and then blames freedom.
The state destroys everything and then blames those who interact voluntarily for that destruction."
-- Stefan Molyneux

Paranormal experiences, coupled with the science that explains it, supporting the survival theory.



Through the other indications of it, outside of religious doctrine. Otherwise, the idea would occur to me naturally, and I'd probably look into it.

The atheists who accept it certainly aren't doing so on the basis of religion.

Paranormal experiences, coupled with the science that explains it, supporting the survival theory.

Examples?