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 Post subject: Re: 'Honour' crimes against women in UK rising rapidly
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:26 am 
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being brought up in a religion is like being under a spell, for most people the spell is never broken.

and if ya family is deeply religious and dysfunctional (like mine was) the emotional scars are with you for life :(

contemporary christian families imo are mostly normal nice people. you rarely hear horror stories about them the way you would hear about muslim women.

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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:57 pm 
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At what age did you read it?



I had always read parts of it the most popular books but not the weirder ones. And at Sunday school they put me in the adult class when I was seven with my Dad. This was to keep me away form other kids cause i thought they are just scaring us to make us behave. I was less willing to question it all in front of my Dad. He believed in it and prayed and all that and he was my dad. And my mom would guilt trip me when I was arguing with her that oh so I didn't think my grandfather (her dad) was in heven? and shit like that. In Sunday school they read the bible to you selectively line by line and make excuses and interpretations of it over the half hour or so it taked to explain away a single chapter. I never bought into Noah's ark, the tower of Babble etc. I think I rejected the old testement from about age 4 or 5 and thought oh they are just telling us kids this stuff cause they think we can't understand, surely the real stuff we will learn later, because I could not fathom the idea that all these adults I knoew actually were reading the same exact thing with nothing more.
And some believed these stories literally happened. I wanted to know where are the dinosaurs, how come all this magic happened back then but not now? etc etc

I was a Christian but with my own twist, from about 8-14 I thought god is real but the bible is crap. jesus is probably not real but ill believe anyway just in case because if he isn't real it wont matter after im dead. I flipped flopped there thinking god will know that i dont really believe in the jesus story so i tried rea hard to make myself believe part of it happened just not the miricals. I was sent to a religious boarding school at had Jerry Falwel as a guest preached and chaple every day communion once a week and optional but not really optional service on sundays too.

I can remember around 10 thought we were being told some bible story and it was the typical story about resentment and hating the wealthy hating the babylonians or egyptians or romans or whoever was in charge. I thought this is just appealing the the poor's desire to be rulers themselves by tellng them if they submit now they can have it good in their next life where all of them will be the kings. I was unaware that the first 7 books in the OT was judaism. But I new I hated the first half of the bible because it was so crazy and god acted like a spoiled child full of rage.

I think one Saturday I took a pen and Bible and note book and just read the whole thing. I had read a 800page book for english class in one day because i didn't want to do an assignment and the day before the grade decided shit i have to or i will fail. And so I figured I can read this while bible I have read most of it anyway.

All it took was re-reading the shit they tell you when you are really young and it was so obvious. I went and got another bible to make sure I was reading a real bible because some of the things in it were so stupid and so immoral. It supported slavery, believed in magical creatures, detroyed cities, raped women cut up their bodues all this stuff I had never been shown in Sunday School. I always wondered why we danced around in the book instead of just reading it straight through.

Once I decided there was no hell it was easy, for I have never believed any of it basedon reason or it making sense. I just tried to make my self beleive out of fear of hell and reaction from my parents. The bible had always been dead. But I just thought it was silly it wasn't until after reading it that I discovered it was wicked and harmful. But my mom gave me the line oh so you tihnk you are smarter than all these millions of people who believe in god and jesus you got it all figured out as just a kid line of crap. I said i dont have it all figured out i just think this garden of eden story is no different than the mother goose stories.

So i decided ok im a kid so im dumb the real nature of everything must be too hard for me to understand so how can i find out. I tricked my folks by first asking if there were any other ideas about life and creation besides christianity. they gave me the classic well long ago zues athena etc but thats why jesus came to straighten it all up mess. I said well were there anyone that just didnt have a religioin. I got the run around. so later I went about it this way I asked who is the smartest person in history? then I asked who is the smartest person in town. The answers I got were einstein or newton, aristotle, another einstein, and mr walter, mr scotty so then i asked mr walter and mr scotty the same questions, i got archemdis or devinci and and i dont know maybe the smartest person was probably not famous because they usually killed people who disagreed with the state like socrates who was almost unknown had it not been for notes discovered from his students.

So I asked what did Socrates, Aristotle, Einstein, Archemides, etc believe they were all atheist except for Newton who I decided who may have been lying. I also discovered many of these people lived before christianity or judaism even existed. I had been taught it was around since the first people in sunday school.

Well I went with the smartest people over the majority. Wasn't until around 15 I told my parents I did not beleibe in god or any of it. That nothing was created and there is nothing after death.

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 Post subject: Re: 'Honour' crimes against women in UK rising rapidly
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:23 am 
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I was sent to a religious boarding school at had Jerry Falwel as a guest


that is child abuse! :lol:

i'm surprised ya parents were quite hostile to your questions, most christian parents i know could not care less if their kids followed their religion or not.

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I thought this is just appealing the the poor's desire to be rulers themselves by tellng them if they submit now they can have it good in their next life where all of them will be the kings.


religion is a great way to control people. a lot of muslims don't care about social injustices because they believe that evil people would be punished in hell so therefore there is no need to do anything about the endless problems we have in the world. people like that are any tyrants dream. nothing but docile freaks.

i remember when the death toll in iraq was 600,000 and on a muslim forum only one person replied to that post. on the thread that was about jack straws comments about the burka well that was ten pages long. it should have been the other way round. i wonder what thomas jefferson meant when he was talking about the tyrany of the masses.

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Honor killings are a cultural practice, which does not have roots in Islam.

Strange that when people of other religions engage in it, no one says anything about the religion:

A Christian honor killing in Palestine

Honor killings among the (mostly Yazidi) Kurds

It was even legal in Columbia (until relatively recently) for a husband to kill his wife for adultery.

It's so obviously a cultural practice, I don't see any reason why Islam should be held responsible for it. It just so happens that the regions where it is so prevalent also happen to be regions that are predominantly Muslim.

At most, Islam may influence what is considered to be "dishonor to the family/tribe" with its morality, but what is actually done about it by the family is entirely cultural, and has existed at one point in time or another, at virtually everywhere in the world, regardless of religion:

Women Everywhere Losing Their Lives to Honor Killings

Like I've said before, just because a Muslim does something, doesn't necessarily mean that it's because of their religion. Unfortunately, ancient, backward cultural practices from third world countries (like honor killings) become attached by common people to the predominant religion, even when it has nothing to do with it.


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thanks for the links I.M.O.M

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I've never read the Bible in it's entirety and wasn't babtized until I was 15 at Confirmation camp (a religious summer camp which most finnish teenagers participate almost purely for the social experiment of it, as did me and all of my friends who were raised as atheists too). Despite me at the time being more acceptive of Christianity than what I am today I remember how after the whole ordeal my tutors were all looking at me eagerly and asking me how does it feel now that I have been connected to Jesus because I was the only one in our group who hadn't been baptized as a baby, I just shrugged and said "Okay I guess" but on the inside I felt absolutely nothing. That was the first and the last time I've stepped my foot inside a church building for a religious purpose and have since resigned my congregation.


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Ry wrote:
how did you get out of it I am curious because I think religion is a mental illness I am wondering what broke it for you and got you out of talking to your hand or the floor 5 times a day avoiding pigs, reading gibberish etc.

What broke Christianity for me was reading the Bible.


What broke Christianity for me was meeting people that called themselves Christians. These people went against anything I was learning about Christians and I realized I'm a better christian even though I'm not even a christian!


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I escaped christianity when I got old enough to realize believing it completely violated rational logic.

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